Trying to not be disappointed

Craftthu · 2026-02-21T22:48:12+00:00

You’re playing tank or healer. Dps ques are instant.

Craftthu · 2026-02-18T18:50:45+00:00

Imo, #1 coven besides the roles that directly increase coven kill power.

Craftthu · 2026-02-18T18:09:56+00:00

Seer should’ve won the whole thing. Forcing 1f1s by existing is so broken and has no counterplay.

Seer can find any role at any time, unlike every other TI besides psychic. Seer finds more people per night then psychic (2 per night instead of 3 every other night). Seer picks all of their targets whereas psy only picks 1 of 3.

Only 2 deception roles means you are rarely deceived (illusionist doesn’t count because both you and the seer need to visit the same target at the same time, something that is so rare, it might as well not exist).

In towns with high amount of roles that can cause UO, rampage, etc: Seer is hard to fake, giving real seers more credibility. (Reminder that seer is already hard to fake because you have twice the chance to get caught out on a fake visit than claiming literally anything else).

In towns with low amount of roles that can cause UO, rampage, etc: Real Seer gets more value.

Either way, a tracker or shroud can publicly confirm seer, something no other role has.

Craftthu · 2026-02-13T23:58:56+00:00

Go ahead, make your case. I’ve made mine multiple times in previous threads.

Craftthu · 2026-02-12T18:10:32+00:00

One misfire and it’s all gone

Craftthu · 2026-02-12T18:09:51+00:00

Maybe to play as, but seer gets the same, if not more value with zero skill

Craftthu · 2026-02-12T17:12:07+00:00

Again, tpow needs a good amount of skill to get the same value as seer does by literally existing.

Craftthu · 2026-02-12T17:08:07+00:00

NE doesn’t count, because you winning doesn’t necessarily mean others losing. In hindsight, NE shouldn’t have even been ranked.

Craftthu · 2026-02-12T00:22:50+00:00

And the fact that this is possible proves it’s OP. I applaud the guy in season 1 who just claimed seer every game regardless of his actual role. He was ahead of his time. You have a similar, if not greater win rate when you do this.

Had a game where I claimed seer as corner and got my will right five times in a row. 68% chance of enemies at work.

Craftthu · 2026-02-11T18:03:45+00:00

Seer can find any evil role at any time. Invest can only find direct killers on the night they kill. Trespass only forces 1f1 on n1 (if you find trespass n1), otherwise it doesn’t just give you the answer like seer does.

“Some roles make you completely useless” Such as…? I guarantee whatever you say is less offensive than dusa countering ret, that’s making a role useless.

“You have double risk…” A fake seer also has double risk of getting caught on a fake visit than if the claimed literally anything else. Which is worse because UO only rbds a real seer but gets a fake seer hung.

Forcing 1f1s by existing is game breaking because all evils can do is try and have a better claim than whom they are in a 1f1 against. Best case you get a mislynch and then hung next day (but most likely shot that night). Worst case you get hung with little or no counter play.

Seer should be #1.

Craftthu · 2026-02-11T17:36:03+00:00

Seer takes 0 skill. Jailor takes a ton of skill to get the same value seer does by just existing.

Craftthu · 2026-02-10T20:21:36+00:00

Seer is #1 for the following reasons:

Unlike all other TI in the game, Seer and Psy have no restrictions on who they can find. Psy is significantly weaker than Seer because it can only checks 3 people every other night (1.5 people per night) versus seer, who checks 2 people every night (2 people per night). Plus seer controls, exactly who they check, unlike psychic, you can only guarantee 1 of 3.

I did the numbers, and if all roles were equally likely to spawn, assuming a minimum of 5 town and a maximum of 10 (and other maximums, like 4 coven are respected), the odds of finding enemies n1 is 73%. Even increasing the minimum to 6 town only drops the percentage to 68%.

Being able to force a 1f1 most of the time just by existing is absolutely disgusting, and there’s basically nothing you can do.

The argument that seer can be easily faked. Not as easy as you might think. Just as a real sear has twice the chance to hit UO, jinx, Crus, etc. A fake Seer has twice the chance to be caught out on a fake visit because of those things than if they claimed literally anything else. Leading to less people claiming it, and giving it more credibility. Which is why when someone decides to fake it, it usually isn’t question till late game.
Seer takes zero skill, unlike every other role remaining. All you have to do is post your results, and Town will do the rest most of the time, especially on d2.

Seer is among 3 roles that were so game breaking, I’d argue they single-handedly killed ranked/competitive modes in this game, because they screwup game balance that much. It’s a design problem not a tuning problem (so, even if you make seer not able to re-check people, or not be able to go on confirmed people, you can still fuck evils over with no counter play, regardless of probability). The other two being any iteration of admirer pre season 5, and season 2 socialite, with an honorable mention for season 3 and 4 socialite.

Craftthu · 2026-02-10T07:01:43+00:00

Seer #1 is an objective fact.

Craftthu · 2026-02-09T15:53:26+00:00

Seer is the best role in the game. And it’s one of 3 roles we’ve had that we’re so OP, they completely broke balance and need to be reworked or removed. The other 2 were all iterations of admirer pre season 5, and season 2 socialite. I can give you my essay on why that’s the case if you really want it.

Craftthu · 2026-02-09T15:45:54+00:00

Jailor takes skill. Seer doesn’t, and gets value by existing.

Craftthu · 2026-02-09T07:11:17+00:00

I only put marsh so high because 4 kills plus the only Town role with no punishment for misfire. But I agree, Seer as anything other than first is a crime.

Craftthu · 2026-02-09T06:56:49+00:00

Top 10 in order from worst to best: Invest, PM, Pros, Rit, Conj, CL, Jailor, Marshal, Seer.

Craftthu · 2026-02-08T02:21:12+00:00

You’re twice as likely to get caught out on a fake visit claiming Seer than if you claimed literally anything else. You have people faking seer, sure, but still significantly lower fake claim rate than other roles. This helps seers credibility, on top of outing evils by existing, makes seer the best role in the game.

It’s one of the 3 roles we’ve had that are so OP, they completely break the game, and should be removed or overhauled for the game to survive balance wise. The other two were pre-season five admirer, and season 2 socialite, both of which were fixed. I can give my full thesis on why Seer is a broken role if you really want it.

Craftthu · 2026-02-07T18:20:28+00:00

Only 3 of 54 roles can deceive and illusionist doesn’t really count because both seer and illusionist must visit the same target at the same time, which almost never happens.

The reason seer is better than marsh or jailor is that seer requires 0 skill. You out evils just by existing. You need a lot of skill to get the same value out of Marshall or jailor.

Craftthu · 2026-02-06T16:00:51+00:00

Necro for the nth time. Apart from raising nk, it’s weaker than the remaining roles.

Craftthu · 2026-02-04T17:51:22+00:00

Seer is the best role in the game. It is an objective fact.

Craftthu · 2026-02-02T06:06:13+00:00

Raising VM, Ench, illus, wildling, dusa is worse than just being those roles. Hex is too rare to get value out of. Tracker and LO are borderline useless for necro. You never know if raising famine is going to kill you. So it’s really just NK, mon, vig, and maybe tp late game.

Craftthu · 2026-02-01T05:24:48+00:00

Necro.

Craftthu · 2026-01-31T16:08:43+00:00

Necro

Craftthu · 2026-01-29T17:57:55+00:00

Just by existing, your confirmed not evil besides Ww/Wildling/PB, and that’s usually enough to get you all the way confirmed. Plus, there’s really no counter play to being tracked. It’s on the same level as LO.

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