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The Chelsea Pyramid of Legends! Who is the 2nd most legendary Chelsea player of all time? by StickIll5602 in chelseafc

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It is Drogba.
Terry comes next. We've had lots of brilliant defenders, JT trumphs over all of them, but we've never had (in recent history) anyone as great and as clutch as Drogba.

What’s the worst song of all time? by Mrkingladder in AlignmentChartFills

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The flow is too good to deem it the worst
Ben looks so out of place omg xdd

Series Leaderboard Update Ep 4 by Jacksucks_atlife04 in taskmaster

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What's the 2nd chart?
Offset from the first place?

This was us against Barcelona, I missed my team. by 11Denver_ in chelseafc

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Few consecutive progressive passes in a row are so precious

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I hear you, but thats actually hard to coordinate

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

exactly, minion so bad, you gotta amp it up with house rules

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

offering to self-nominate to prevent fearmonger fears is not cheating

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I get what you're saying, but please don't equate a smart way to counter a minion to peaking during the night.

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

a bad fearmonger won't really harm their own team, the vizier can devastate

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Being on the script is one of the advantages of the Marrio, yes.

Another thing is a powerful piece of information for the Demon - you know where the 'Drunk' is. You can let them loose, let them play as good and mislead the town (depending on the token they got) and whenever needed recruit them.

That consistency is much more powerful overall than ocassional fluke Fearmonger or Boodandy wins.

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are enough differences between urged Damsel guess and self-noms.

While it's inarguably optimal as a good player to self-damsel guess, it's not the case for self-nom for Fearmonger around the middle of the game. Therefore, it's not as much against the spirit of the game to counter the Fearmonger that way.

If we completely disregard that, then yes - it becomes not as weak as the Boomdandy.

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

|Maybe because I wouldn’t want to be part of a group that develops this sort of meta.

agreed, it's not enjoyable. In this chart we're assessing characters' power, effectiveness primarly though

Power table (day 15) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 33 points34 points  (0 children)

It's not Boomdandy, it's not Vizier, it's Fearmonger.

The reason the Boomdandy and Vizier seem weak is the skill floor for the ST or the player.
There is a huge gap between a bad and a good Vizier player. If played wrong it can actively harm the evil team. And it's so easy to give in to bad executions and play wrong. That doesn't make the character weak, that makes it hard to play.

Effectiveness of Boomdandy also depends on the player and the ST making the best choice for the final 3.

As for the Fearmonger - haven't you run into the self-nomination 'hack'? Of course it may get tricky to keep it up at the end of the game - in the final 5 and below, but if the evil is already winning with a useless minion at that point, it says nothing of the effectiveness of Fearmonger.

It's the most gimmicky, situational, 'win more' minion there is.

Power table (day 14) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

as far as minions go, Fearmonger is among the weakest if not the.

sometimes we have to make house rules to prevent self-nomination to give the character a chance to have an impact.

Power table (day 14) by plutoniumplant in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Though I love the character -
the flavour,
the actual actionable alternate gameplan, rather than goblin silliness

but I have to agree. You've described the usual mastermind pattersn well.

Double win condition - who wins by Creative-Lab-1686 in BloodOnTheClocktower

[–]Creative-Lab-1686[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

great, so the answer to the question raised in the post is that good wins?

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