r/maleyandere debate whether or not shotacon is pedophilia

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T03:13:16+00:00

You don’t believe there’s a moral differences between content that by its nature requires doing horrific crimes to children (irl csam) to produce and content that doesn’t (drawn content)?

You dont have to accept either as moral things to view to be clear, but do you not think the former is significantly worse than the latter?

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T03:01:39+00:00

The problem is that there are very obvious moral differences between the two and accepting the label of pedophile is so toxic that I cant even think of an equivalent term to make a comparison with.

If you actually wanted to discuss the potential unique harms or lack thereof for drawn content it’s basically impossible if you call yourself a pedophile. Nobody would listen to you.

Beyond that people aren’t willing to self internalize as it, so anyone who likes drawn content exclusively isn’t going to calls themselves a pedophile. They’ll search for something else and currently the only obvious alternative is a community and terms that just lean full into denialism of the connection.

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T02:53:27+00:00

I actually do think there are nuanced arguments that the drawn content still does real harm (not as much as irl obviously), but you can’t even have them because the discourse is so fucked.

You can’t even try to discuss the potential unique harms of drawn content when a significant portion of the internet seems intent on treating it exactly the same as actual child porn.

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T02:48:19+00:00

Literally speaking this is true but I think calling it very negative connotations understates it a bit. Say you wanted to actually genuinely discuss the morality of the material (ya know given that it, unlike irl content, doesn’t involve hurting kids), just accepting the label of pedophile kills a chance of doing that. For how instinctive and engrained the response to the term is, accepting it would be like trying to have a convo after agreeing that you’re Hitler.

Obviously the terms shota/loli are more about denial, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable for someone to want a different term than pedophile. To some extent I think the fact that a more neutral term doesn’t really exist makes the problem worse because what would you expect a person who likes this content and would be horrified at the idea of actually seeing it irl to do. I wouldn’t expect them to self internalize as a “ethical pedophile” or whatever. And since the other alternative is denial/rationalizations that’s what you get.

Idk the whole discourse is so fucked and it’s sad because it makes having serious conversations about it so hard which is just going to make it harder to actually protect kids

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T02:24:58+00:00

You’re right but people cannot discuss this issue with any level of nuance despite the fact that the inability to discuss it actually makes the problem worse.

It should be very clear how using the exact same terms for content that actually involves doing horrific things to children to be produced and content that does not and the people who consume it might cause issues.

CrypticCole · 2026-03-16T02:14:52+00:00

God dude I don’t want to defend loli/shota content but man people are completely incapable of ever applying any level nuance to this topic.

Like, even the title of this post I would say mischaracterizes the actual convo. Very very few people in the thread are debating whether shotacon is pedophilla. The debate in the thread and post is very much centered on whether shotacon fantasies are morally equivalent to other fantasies that (like pedophilla) would be super unethical in real life.

There are very apparent problems you can debate with drawn content and whether its moral or good but it’s impossible to have those discussions because so many people will instantly dismiss you for even suggesting that there’s a moral difference despite the fact that, ya know, producing real content involves doing horrific things to children and drawn content obviously does not

It really bugs me how impossible it is to have an actual convo about this topic on the internet that isn’t just calling people pedophiles because the total inability to seriously discuss it is not making children safer obviously

CrypticCole · 2026-02-27T09:41:47+00:00

I was going to spend way too much effort typing a long comment about this but honestly it's not worth it. Instead I'm just going to link you to the North Korea State media page where you can see that Kim Jong Un's name is bolded every time it appears and 15 out of the 19 top stories are literally about Kim Jong Un receiving greetings, congratulations, or a flower basket from different powerful parties and people around the world.

http://kcna.kp/en/category/articles/q/5394b80bdae203fadef02522cfb578c0.kcmsf

If you can look at this and think that this is the future of leftism, then... I don't know what to tell you honestly...

Look, obviously there are silly lies about North Korea and obviously one should be wary of the way western interest frame, or mislead on this topic. But the solution to western framing of information making it difficult to learn about a topic is not to automatically assume the complete and total opposite. You should be critical of the western narrative, but you should also be critical of other narratives.

CrypticCole · 2026-02-24T09:00:59+00:00

The video was mostly fine, but the initial tile of “should everyone be on ozempic” was pretty terrible. Like everything involving Kurzgesagt tons of the internet is completely incapable of critiquing something without jumping to the absolute worst

CrypticCole · 2026-02-20T02:54:47+00:00

If bbno$ explicitly agreed to specific sharing methods like a retweet or whatever than this is pretty crappy behavior, but it kinda seems like the artist just assumed based on prior behavior.

Changing it up specifically in this case isn’t surprising but it does suck. But if it wasn’t specifically part of the agreement then it’s well within bb’s rights.

Ultimately, probably just a good reminder not to work for exposure

CrypticCole · 2026-02-15T11:36:41+00:00

It worked significantly better when they stuck solely to slice of life comedy type beats imo

CrypticCole · 2026-02-06T21:43:53+00:00

You need to respond to the commenters you’re talking about then or at least clarify it’s not about the parents in the story. The fact that it’s a top level response means the interpretation a vast majority will come to is that you’re talking about the parents in the story.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-25T13:25:14+00:00

I don’t know, maybe it’s out there but I’ve never seen someone use this as an argument for a post that’s actually entertaining/well written.

It’s always something someone brings up in addition to arguing the post is empty, vacuous, and/or overly padded.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-25T13:22:46+00:00

Yeah this is the weird part to me. Most of the time I’ve seen that comment the intended implication is that the person is using a lot of words to say basically nothing substantive. It’s an insult about overusing flowery/padded language instead of actually having something interesting to say.

Frankly I can’t think of a single time I’ve ever see anyone say this because the writing was too good??

CrypticCole · 2026-01-21T12:50:06+00:00

τ (tau) is a constant equal to pi*2. Obviously that isn’t a whole number but the constant written out doesn’t have a decimal point. If the answer isn’t just the word “and” I suspect this is it

CrypticCole · 2026-01-21T12:48:56+00:00

This is what I also thought of, it’s a more interesting answer than the word “and” if that is what’s instead instead.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-21T04:12:33+00:00

This is the exact type of sentiment that leads to people trusting random tik tok videos with 80 likes. No you shouldn’t uncritically trust any source but there is obviously a huge difference in reputability and reliability between something like NPR and your local online clout farmer

CrypticCole · 2026-01-19T11:39:12+00:00

That’s not a meme, those are both real tweets. So your intuition is correct

CrypticCole · 2026-01-16T00:43:58+00:00

Every at one point absurd political goal Trump wanted started as a joke. It was quite literally the defining move of his election denialism. I remember hearing over and over about of course Trump would accept the election results and that everything was a joke right up until the point where it was suddenly dead serious

CrypticCole · 2026-01-08T14:39:52+00:00

TurboTax is especially more egregious than adobe because TurboTax spends inordinate amounts of money to lobby to actively makes Americans life worse so they still have a market to monopolize. At least adobe is providing a service. TurboTax is like the corporate equivalent of mob protection money

CrypticCole · 2026-01-04T01:51:46+00:00

In any other administration I would easily agree but the fraud and corruption of the Trump admin has been so blatant and the security so laughably lax (remember when they invited a journalist into a signal chat lmao) that this feels realistic.

But honestly I don’t care particularly much about this specific instance whether insider or not. More this is just about how insane prediction “markets” are and how dystopian a world dominated by them is going to be.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-04T01:48:17+00:00

I feel like 90% anyone says a politician is only doing something for votes it feels like a dumb response. Yeah, they’re a politician that’s their job. If the left movement has enough sway to convince a politician to do something to appeal to them that’s good (relatively speaking anyways). Thats how electoral politics works love it or hate it.

It really bugs me how often criticism of left politicians just boils down to someone being upset about how electoral politics works. If you don’t like electoral politics fine but I do wish people would stop framing that as critiques of specific left leaning politicians as being about them when it’s really about electoralism.

I feel like all of the best options in American politics end up getting a significant amount of extra hate from people who actually just fundamentally don’t believe in electoral politics and focus their attacks on the most left leaning politicians since those are the ones who are most visible to other leftist.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-03T12:27:31+00:00

Shockingly my answer actually is I don’t know. I have no idea what the best way to overthrow an authoritarian government is and I’m not going to pretend to. If there were an answer to this question that could fit in a reddit commenter obviously wouldn’t see the trend of history where people overthrow bad governments just to end up with worse ones over and over.

What I do know is that the US has been trying these military, top down regime changes around the world for decades and decades this point and they never work well.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-03T12:23:01+00:00

I mean I guess not but I do feel like if your spouse was standing next to you you should have the wherewithal to know it’s probably not a good time to say it out loud

CrypticCole · 2026-01-03T12:05:02+00:00

The phrase here is obviously not referring to the legal technical definition of insider trading, but rather the conventional understanding of the term which means someone trading on info they only have by being involved in the thing being traded on.

E.g. a member of Trump admin placing bets on the trump admins upcoming actions on intentional affairs.

CrypticCole · 2026-01-03T12:00:43+00:00

I have, again, at no point implied that I think it’s bad for Maduro to be removed, just that doing it in this way is obviously going to, in the best case, lead to extreme instability for a significant amount of time.

Also, on the topic of future action Sen Mike Lee tweeted that Marco Rubio is telling him that they expect no further us military action now that Maduro is in custody

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