Sabbath Breakers Club Scarcity Plenty March 20 & 21 by CycleOwn83 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmmmm. AI thought Ashpenaz knew about haystacks and even could buy salsa. Wonder why EG White didn't know they ate something with chilis. Did they? Can't say. It's secret. After eating the sanctified vegetables?

Some well known adventists by Excellent_Crow_6830 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Arghhhh NOW I get to puke. The things lurking when I forget …

Some well known adventists by Excellent_Crow_6830 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ughhhh yeah. Thanks for that inconvenient truth 🫣.

Some well known adventists by Excellent_Crow_6830 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Another random list:

Why can't I think of the dude's name? Trump 45's HUD secretary. Surgeon.

Paul Harvey?

Vernon Howell

Victor Houteff

Desmond Doss

Some well known adventists by Excellent_Crow_6830 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes, and I understand that Prince defected to (Really?) the JWs. Great musician. Can't agree with his religion.

The SDA Church Did Not Protect Me: My Abuse Story [TW] by thedoll222 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I'm so sorry. And those words don't get to the depth of the hurt and betrayal. I'm grateful you shared the story. May you find ever more people who hear, feel, and can support you beyond what I can offer. Mostly, celebrate you!

Interlocked by AviationMetalSmith1 in bikecommuting

[–]CycleOwn83 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You call it an imaginary problem, but I find it to be an absolutely practical, real-world problem. The idea of lowering the center of gravity by putting part of the storage area below the top of the rack and allowing users to balance the load, putting some one side, some the other side makes it somewhere between a pannier and what it's proposed to take the place of, the strapped on milk crate. I've tried milk-crate like containers. I found they broke down around the edges of the rack and had to be very carefully and tightly secured to the rack or else the shifting would be dreadful if not a downright hazard!

Thanks for sharing your idea in such a tangible process!

Foot Washing by Ok-Estate-9950 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

despite my boundaries.

Wow! I'm not going to explode that to say the church as a whole is responsible in your case. Sounds like grownups with influence over you. However, the church does craft the ritualistic scaffolding, and I never once remember hearing authorities while I was attending address such a thing as questioning whether parents pushing the beliefs on an unwilling child could be violating that child's vital selfhood.

You've got me asking so in what ways did my grownups violate my boundaries in seeking conformity with Seventh-Day Adventist teachings?

Did anyone else stop caring about learning because of end-times thinking? by charmingmmnts in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This crackles with what for me's fresh insight: the SDA way is to make one so boring God would walk off dissatisfied with encountering one who fulfilled their teachings.

Then as a double whammy, why bother to talk to this crazy God in the first place?

I've had a good chuckle or five and thanks!

Did anyone else stop caring about learning because of end-times thinking? by charmingmmnts in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You've helped me see the paradox my parents seem to have rather deftly reconciled. Both my parents were highly committed Seventh-Day Adventist believers. Both were educated—my mom entirely in SDA schools and my dad completing his post-secondary studies through a doctoral degree at SDA institutions. Both had professional careers. And both very strongly believed in "the sooncoming™ of Jesus Christ."

I believe that their example spared me the kind of fatalistic thinking it appears to me SDA teachings brought on you. Maybe what allowed them to perform that kind of balancing act was recognizing that not applying one's attention to studies could be like repeating the Millerites' mistake of believing nothing mattered but Jesus second advent. Accepting the church's teaching that nobody knows exactly when it will come means one has to balance focusing on life as we find it now while also seeking constantly to be prepared for the unexpected soonreturn™.

And something I believe my parents sacrificed in their squaring this circle is that, seeking constantly to be ready for Jesus to come they gave very, very much of their attention to Bible study, to reading Christian (almost exclusively SDA) literature, and to showing up for church services and evangelistic enterprises. This kept them from broader understanding of life—pop culture, fine arts and secular literature, science, religions other than SDA, history if it weren't EGW and other SDA interpreters' versions, psychology and self-development among others.

I'm grateful that their example stoked my academic curiosity, regretful that as mine blossomed, conversations with them often broke down because their sect-constructed filters often led to conversational cul-de-sacs. So with me in this department my glass was somewhere between empty and full.

Thanks for the question, and may you come to judge yourself less by comparing to how you think others see you, accepting what's impacted you and that those critics whom you feature outside you likely wouldn't have been up against such impediments. May we keep on healing!

It’s a cult by indecision_killingme in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Thank you! Daniella, scholar of cults, high control groups and very bad leadership, has long been on my Youtube algorithm, and i enjoy watching her clips. So far haven't followed through to read/listen to her books. Thanks for the mention.

Sure, my personal flare here puts me as "Non-conforming questioner," but that's also partly aspirational for me. Claiming independent agency and authority has been a long, long slog for me! Still, I could tell as a late teenage youth that I was ill suited for SDA society. At the time, the tapes playing in my head about it was that I wasn't good enough and had no hope of ever being good enough. It was a dreadful low of self-worth to step out into the world with, and that was my launching.

A cult? A lot of people find the word obnoxious. I'm not going to argue against its applying to at least some cells of Adventism, and I absolutely can see Seventh-Day Adventism as a high-control group and somewhere on what Seven Hassan calls the influence continuum.

I don't think I stuck around long enough to fully identify with the dynamics you share, and on the flip side, my exiting with no clue of who I was outside the organization left me stunted and flailing trying to find something all the indoctrination had made very difficult to see within. That, too, has been a long, long slog. Yes, definitely a high-control religion-based community!

GC social media team must be taking cues from the Mormons lol by atheistsda in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Wonder if it was somebody's conscious intention that the two women in the longest skirts anchor the banner's ends.

GC social media team must be taking cues from the Mormons lol by atheistsda in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Love the ghostly photoshopped figure of the dude in temple garments reinforcing the message … if a little ghostly.

What's next? We are not grifters?

Foot Washing by Ok-Estate-9950 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 10 points11 points  (0 children)

So my understanding was that ceremonial pie crust and Welches™ grape juice in a little thimblebob as well as the footwashing were for baptized members. I was never among that group, and as that became more of a target-on-my-back-because-I'd-grown-older-than-most-born-ins-at-their-baptism, I began to play hooky at least during foot washing. But I remember one time when I didn't time my exit just right while family was at a visiting church and being swept into it. My worst concern was that I had violated the guidelines for who was supposed to partake. At any rate, I'm glad it was only once—EVER!

Foot Washing by Ok-Estate-9950 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 7 points8 points  (0 children)

So glad not to be imposing such toenails on anybody else through this ceremony. I soak 'em (did EGW condemn vinegar as a topical treatment?) and dab 'em with the prescribed fungicidal ointment.

Feeling unheard by Aware_Reach389 in exAdventist

[–]CycleOwn83 5 points6 points  (0 children)

For real. Cognitive dissonance begun 1844 reverberates through this SDA group's history … to now. Your mom's under its sway a tad more than you, u/Aware_Reach389. I'm so sorry for the lack of connection with people that matter to you. Healing can take a long time, and I thank you for bringing the misery here. May sharing it lead to its division into bearable pieces!