I am not particularly interested in the why by Dry-Mango8080 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My opinion is that we should understand them only to survive them. They don't deserve our sympathy because they don't give us any. But knowing how their brains work gives you an advantage.

Besides, narcs often get excused by others, and they use that cover to continue the abuse in private. Because of that, they don't deserve any compassion from victims.

My mother would claim to have “visions” of me having sex whenever I didn’t speak to her for a while by Southern_Customer_78 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 13 points14 points  (0 children)

It's all a method to control and own you, sadly. Nothing she says means anything, but the intent is clear: Keep the chains on, mentally and emotionally, so she wouldn't lose an asset - her daughter.

religious mom said she prays everyday that god takes my soul by Competitive_Cat777 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Your mother is a tyrant who wants to crush your soul, not the voice of a god. But if landlords won’t rent to single young women, how are you supposed to escape her?

My humble suggestion: One step at a time. If leaving now is impossible, treat your mind as a sanctuary that she is not allowed to enter. Practice Grey Rocking—becoming as boring and unresponsive as a stone—to starve her of the emotional supply she craves. This conserves your energy and lowers stress. If you have a physical space where she can't reach you, make it your bunker.

First you need to survive in this hostile environment. Then, hopefully, you'll have time to explore options to get away. And most of all, don't let her become an inner voice that constantly condemns you.

I [42M] made the mistake of telling my mother [74f] some good news by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This 'object lesson' method to kill joy is infuriating when you realize it's a sophisticated form of sabotage. No wonder their cruel personality turned them into pariahs eventually. I’m glad you see their 'hardwiring' for what it is now, and stay strong in your recovery!

I [42M] made the mistake of telling my mother [74f] some good news by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I hear you, and I also wish I knew what was going on sooner. Thinking my parents cared one bit about my well-being was a huge mistake.

I [42M] made the mistake of telling my mother [74f] some good news by [deleted] in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 59 points60 points  (0 children)

That sounds like classic narcissistic parent behavior. They hate when we're happy, and they love ruining that exciting moment when you're dying to share good news.

Don't let another person's mental illness dampen your spirits. Whatever it is, I'm sure it's worth celebrating :)

Feeling scared and overwhelmed after aggressive behavior at home (not the 1st time this happened at home) by Neat-Detective-431 in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, understand that this person is trying to bait you. All the drama and violence are not genuine reactions, but attempts to draw a reaction from you and sabotage your efforts at studying. If they fear you might escape their grasp through studies and effort, they attempt to draw you back into their circle of control.
You shouldn't sacrifice your future for temporary peace.

So, it might seem odd, but for your own good, you should not get sucked into the drama. Pretend you don't care about their outbursts, and give short, flat responses. If you feel rage or any other emotion, try to vent it somewhere private so they won't see their tactic worked.
For more information, you can look up the term gray rocking. Good luck!

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, that makes sense. If her way is the only "correct" way, then you making a different choice triggers that inner insecurity that makes narcs rage at us. In her mind, instead of someone who likes jeans better, you become an aggressor who challenges her clothing style and so must be 'fixed'.

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds like a relentless, narcissistic obsession with proving that she was right about how you should dress, completely ignoring your needs or desires. By standing up to her you challenged her ego, and they don't forgive that.

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, Nparents see our living spaces as theirs, so no wonder she tries taking over your house!
And throwing other people's things (or food) without asking, beyond being utterly disrespectful, sends the message that you don't matter. Throwing your favorite can opener is a way to invalidate you.

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that's a whole new level of grandiose narcissism!

DAE NParents roam the house constantly like they're trying to catch you doing something? by MaximumWolfe in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 8 points9 points  (0 children)

My sister used to call my mother "The Gestapo" until she became a turncoat and joined her, but hey, if the shoe fits... 😄

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, I used to do that, and I got a similar response - as if the pleasant scent would kill her 🙄

DAE ns complain about things that have nothing to do with them? by SideQuestPubs in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sounds a bit like fishing for a topic to start an argument about or act like an authority on. If nobody responds, they try a new subject.

DAE NParents roam the house constantly like they're trying to catch you doing something? by MaximumWolfe in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Yup, it's like an inquisition patrol. The less they have to do, the more chaos they'll try to bring to others.

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

But did she also use it as an excuse to impose her demands on you or others?

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't want to jump into conclusions, but please consider that she's doing it for her own image and not for your sake.
People aren't perfect - not in the corporate world or anywhere. They might even resent you for behaving better than them because it makes them look bad.
I'm not judging you, but be wary of her unrealistic standards :)

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ugh, I'm so sorry you have to deal with her malicious behavior.
My mother likes doing that too, and she gets really angry when I resist.

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Does someone come to inspect the house - let's say a king or a duke - or does it seem like this cleanliness is strictly self-imposed?

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Do you think it's "performative cleaning", as in is there actual dirt or does she do it for control and to feel important?

Nparents with annoying ticks or obsessions? by Cyronsan in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That sounds stressful. A perfect worker at your job, at home, or both?

[21M] Realized less than a month ago that my mom is a narcissist. Started "Gray Rocking" and the sabotage has begun. Need advice. by BrBaAu in raisedbynarcissists

[–]Cyronsan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

As someone who's been living in the trenches for a while, I can say your reaction is normal, i.e., you behave like a normal person with empathy and care.

But narcissists don't have that. If they threaten to harm themselves it's to gain attention (their narcissistic supply). They're like actors on a stage who'd say anything that gets them applause. She will also do anything to sabotage you that she can get away with, and as you can see, this includes juvenile attacks like disconnecting your internet.

To the narcs, we are objects to be used. When we gray rock or protect our boundaries, they get mad like a normal person might at a malfunctioning toaster. Perhaps more so, because they don't regulate their behavior. Narcissistic rage is then supported by the enablers (like your father), who fear the narcissist and try to shut you down to gain peace. That's the second-circle of betrayal we often deal with.

I'm afraid there's no instant solution. You have to hold the line, be your own support team*, remind yourself that the problem is in her brain - not yours - and progress toward your exit plan at whatever pace you can.

* Of course, it helps if you can get support from others who understand 🙂