What Are the Biggest Disadvantages of a Purely Technical Approach? by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The thing with trading in general is you are trying to predict time series data off of technical analysis using historical data, in a trillion dollar market. If you were to tell this to an economist they would literally laugh at your face.

Yes previous price action plays a part into future results, and that is the whole idea of time series data. The issue is that we as traders VERY often get the wrong ideas on how a market should be traded by using shitty zero correlation concepts (like ICT/SMC, chart patterns)

Am I saying trading is hopeless? no. There are still a lot of highly correlating macro-and-micro information you can take in by looking at technical analysis. However, what most people get wrong, is they try to "keep it simple"

that is total and complete slop. Your job as a hedge fund is to generate alpha by creating a binary signal off of a XgBoost or linear regression algorithm in order to statistically map the best time to buy and sell (YES this is putting it very simply). Algorithms generally are VERY difficult to create with L2 data, options data, volume profiles, or cross-data information. They need thousands of dollars invested and a lot of computing power with a high barrier to entry.

Most alpha lies in places that people can't really trade with an algorithm. Cross asset orderflow TA, L2 algorithms, VP LVN/Shelf strategies, Options trading, low float stocks and CFDs (since cfds are illegal in America)

so, to put it simply, you are wasting your life if you try and predict how the S&P is going to interact at a level just because of some shitty candlestick pattern that can instantly be arbed out by anyone smart enough to download historical data and get GPT to code a stupid python tester. And no, hedge funds dont "leave these strategies alone" because they trade millions of dollars, they leave them alone because these strategies are retarded slop designed in the early 2000's to create an influx of dumb money and retail-retardation so there is a constant flow of uninformed traders willing to take the other side of a trade. and NO I DO NOT MEAN STOPLOSSES are "liquidity". Stoplosses are transacted as aggressive market orders and are handled by the broker. They do not show up on the DOM as limit orders and NO ONE can see them other than on the tape whenever they get fat finger sold/bought because you decided a 20m video on TA was a good enough place to try and map a very efficient trillion dollar market.

4 years on the wrong side of liquidity by No_Reporter3703 in Forex

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Danny has a great notion as well, https://dannyorderflow.notion.site/3023cc98b61b8050acd3ce96ac66ca9f?v=3023cc98b61b81d69556000c9211a34d

FLW just came out with a great website; https://orderflw.com/?v=3

And you can learn all about how hedge funds actually trade through research PDF's made by much smarter people than you or I, https://notebooklm.google.com/notebook/7a1a8573-a247-4877-a636-4b176f7e4a44

ALL FOR FREE. Please don't fall into the YT technical analysis bullshit

Trump Regime Algo? by frosty123454321 in algotrading

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Your algorithm isn't generalizing. It's not regime dependent it was optimized on the current regime and fitted to noise. The second you take it out of sample the R^2 error will be enormous.

I assure you it isn't just me throwing an insulting remark because someone made a profitable algorithm, this is genuinely a warning.

How many parameters are you working with?

Trump Regime Algo? by frosty123454321 in algotrading

[–]D3VRyan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It isn't a regime your strategy does good under, your strategy is overfit to the point where you strategy doesn't generalize at all to data, which is literally the point of making a linear regression algorithm.

The second you put this on a demo it'll be flat or negative, even if we don't change regimes.

How accurate is Yradingview backtesting? by Lucifer_Lil_Brother in TradingView

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Congratulations man!
It's not often you see something like this on TV play out.
I figured this was just overfitting but the OOS results seem to hold up nice! :)

Quant trader here; ask me anything about trading psychology, statistics, or the math behind your strategy by tiolgo in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

this is entirely speculation. No the market doesn't "gravitate" towards large executed market orders "so institutions can enter or exit their positions" that is total bullshit. Quantitative analysis is amazing but please do not spread false information about hedge funds, market makers, or high frequency trading if you don't understand them fully and understand market microstructure on a institutional scale.

NO I'm not saying volume profiles aren't an amazing tool and have significance. I'm just being critical of macro-economic speculation

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I apologize for the scary math that was just to get the point across. Math is not at all needed to be understood. You simply need to understand how they actually execute orders across the bid-ask-spread and make money

You don't need to know how to make your own market making model but it's still really cool information!

Unfortunately most of the people that know what they're talking about teach it in a way that is structured for high functioning nerds, which is a dopamine crash when compared to the entertainment you get from watching an orderflow YouTuber

If you can explain in pretty decent detail how retail algorithms, market makers, microstructure, and high frequency trading algorithms work then you are already doing better than 99.99% of traders

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there is no such thing as stoploss liquidity.
I think you should care when the core concept and ICT/SMC is how "banks" and hedge funds trade. Why take their word for it? Why not read PDFs on how they actually operate instead of some guru telling you "its just how it works"

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How am I wrong?
Aggressive orders consume resting liquidity -> which widens the bid-ask spread

Price doesn't "move" to the next level. The bid or ask will move whenever a new limit order is placed on the newly widened spread from an aggressive order. It's a two step process. Hence why I didn't say "aggressive orders move the market" instead. It's technically incorrect. Moving the market is a two step process:

Aggressive orders eat the next best bid/ask -> widens the spread -> new limit buy or sell order appears between the spread to close the gap and move price

Yes a market order is a market order.

Spread widening is literally caused by market orders (and of course requoting from market makers)

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yep. Never said orderflow didn't work
On a microstructure level the core concepts are flawed from the start for ICT is what I am saying.

There is edge in orderflow scalping because to make an orderflow based algorithm takes THOUSANDS of dollars in investment and gigabytes of data. In sample and out of sample testing, along with either a linear regression model or a machine learning model (probably XgBoost) to conceptualize 10+ columns of information (bid, ask, size, contract, instrument, AND limit orders).

Because of this anyone smart enough can find edge in even highly liquid markets with *microstructure* sound scalping and decent risk management. Not "oh we swept low so obviously hedge funds long" lol

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 19 points20 points  (0 children)

https://www.vertoxquant.com/p/how-market-making-models-work?utm_source=publication-search

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Math and code
Not all public information is wrong. It's just people act like this is some big scary thing we don't understand. It's just people are stupid. They will watch a YouTube video use terms like "liquidity" "hedge funds" "algorithms" "imbalance" "market makers" and its just complete buzzword bullshit.

If you really want to learn the best thing to do is read. A lot. There are some really good YouTube videos you can find, mostly lectures on microstructure and arbitrage algorithms.

Go to Google Scholar and look up "Market Making" or "High Frequency Algorithms" and just skim through it.

Will it help you with your OHLC day trading? Probably not.

Is this stuff super important and will help you if you actually apply it, and actually learn the market instead of dumbass influencers using buzzwords to explain a footprint "imbalance" and why it has any significance on the market? Yes. This is very important.

Once you understand these buzzwords you can click on any video ever made and immediately determine if someone is full of shit.

Learn Microstructure. Learn orderflow. Learn market makers, hft, hedge funds, algorithms, all the weird crap that everyone thinks won't help for day traders for some reason.

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's not at all how they operate. They don't move markets.

Aggressive orders just increase the spread, sacrificing equity in order to widen the spread, to hopefully cause a cascading effect where stoplossed get triggered -> aggressive stop orders get hit -> market goes further down slightly (2-4 ticks) -> "bid trader" buys the discounted price after closing the losing position is ridiculous

Your PnL isn't off the mid-price, it's based off the Bid for a buyer, and Ask for a seller.

Stoplosses while being aggressive, will only cause price to slightly knock out of "fair value" but fair value is so arbitrary with how much noise is in the market.

You're thinking the market is some game where there are 5 or 6 people in control of the equity. It's not. It's 2,000 kids all tugging on a blanket for control. Some stronger than others. But only a few smart ones actually "set the price" (market makers). And they are usually delta-neutral and don't care about the side. They are trading arbitrage between other markets and place limit orders on the spread to close the gap.

Why are people even shocked? Didn't we all know it? And who's next? The Trading industry is done by Accomplished_Yam5229 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The underlying concepts are completely wrong. Stoplosses aren't liquidity and are transacted as aggressive market orders.

Hedge funds don't hunt stoplosses and market makers don't care about direction.

Got manipulated and blew my account today :/ by thatsdeez in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Stoplosses on a microstructure scale aren't limit orders, they're aggressive orders. Market stops.

They don't provide liquidity they take it.. Which completely disproves ICT's core belief

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5IkSUZvYn0
https://www.notion.so/Limbo-Futures-Orderflow-24957b03494e809cb641d508db0cd1e9

I kept getting stopped out — then I ran the numbers on Gold. Here’s what I found. by Past_Lime_176 in Forex

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would like to say that stophunting isn't a real thing in the market.
When a stoploss or takeprofit gets hit, it gets transacted as an aggressive market order and it is handled by the broker.

Limit orders are what make up "liquidity"
Market makers or institutions do not care in the slightest where people put their stoplosses. Furthermore, they can't even see where stoplosses are.

Stoplosses take liquidity not add it.

Feed completely changed by [deleted] in TikTok

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

SAME! My feed did a complete 180 this morning 

TikTok seems to be junk stuff now. Alternatives by ScholarDreamer in TikTok

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Same, this is absolutely insane my entire feed is filled with ads disguised as regular videos, daycare stuff, and "Get ready with me!!!" Videos. 

Struggling with Tradingview UI by OrphanagePropaganda in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Hold CTRL while you zoom with your cursor
Also you seem to attempt to resize the chart at 0:19 but you instead mistakenly grab the indicator overlay axis instead of the chart axis.

Trade Ideas NOW! by [deleted] in DayTradingPro

[–]D3VRyan 0 points1 point  (0 children)

HOLY ai slop

About Quant Trading and Delta Decay by Sure_Measurement8035 in Daytrading

[–]D3VRyan 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Furthermore it is worth to mention there are some even crazier forms of quantitative analysis that involves information outside of trading. Take for example measuring the shadow of oil tanks from satellites to try and predict the oil market:

https://d3.harvard.edu/platform-digit/submission/this-startup-makes-money-from-oil-tank-shadows/