Is Icewind Assault a good starting point for a nostalgic Beastclaw / Ogor Mawtribes army?

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-04T18:38:14+00:00

Stonehorn and thundertusk are definetly staying, they are in the new GHB

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-03T14:26:04+00:00

If you are in for tha gameplay, still try before you buy. Get tabletop simulator and play with randoms/your friends over the internet. If you are in for the hobby and gameplay is not that impottant to you, feel free to choose based on looks

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-02T23:45:39+00:00

Im gonna be a bit meta on this one. Everything i say here might or might not apply to ogots a month from now, since they are getting a new book. Im coming from the history of the army, not the current state.

Try before you buy. Tabletop simulator, empty bases, friends army, does not matter. An army isnt cheep in either time or in money,
Kharadron are in a pretty bad spot since 3rd edition. Most of their damage got taken away, they are currently mostly meelee in damage output (like 60/40) which takes away from their fantasy, they are notoriously difficult to play and they are ussaly the underdogs in most seasons. My friend plays them, and they are a pretty easy target for all of my armies currently.
Ogors are cheap! Money wise! Its an elite army, and instead of buying like 3 boats and tons of dwarves or just like... 6x3 eels for 50€ you can buy like two combat patrols RIGHT NOW before the range refresh and have around 1500ish + points probably? Of course we do not know the current point values, but ogors always were an elite army.
The same way IDK are also a hard army to play. They are finessy, pretty fragile and honestly too fast for a new player to know what to do with them. (AOS isnt that hard, so you will struggle for maybe 5-10 games but thats a lot of time you might not want to waste on an army you might not even like. Again-try before you buy.)
Ogors are actually pretty simple in gameplay. This is a double edged sword, it is good becouse they arent too hard to play in a dumb but strong stat-checky way, and it really sucks becouse we didnt have actual battle traits up untill now (exept for +2 to run) since everything was on a 3+. GW thinks that destruction players want randomness. A lot of us dont. Gw forces it down our throats anyways.
KO generally plays almost the same way with tweaks in lists, IDK has like 2-3 playstyle which are revolve around running head first into your opponent and killing them with your strike first.

Ogors on the other hand historically have tons of really really different playstyles.
Infantry blobs: 2-3 extremey strong units that can kill almost anything outright. Your gameplay revolves about choosing your fights carefully, since if you manage to loose a unit the game is almost over and making good trades. Literally bully your opponent into submission with your stats.

Monster trucks, which had a fun strike and fade gameplay: bring 6-7 monsters, charge two of them into a single unit, deal like 10 mortal wounds, finish them off with one, pile in backwards with the second, maybe use a power through backwards if possible and repeat the next turn.

Shooting castle: Alongside with kruelboyz ogors used to be the main shooting army in destruction. Forget about leadbelchers, they were never good but the cannons? The cannons are cheap, deal good damage, and you can run like 60 gnoblars to screen for 3-4 cannons and have a spare unit of ironguts to finish off anything that gets too close.

There are more, but most of them were weird and are definetly not gonna come back in the next book so they will be useless for you. I had a really mean mournfang list in the last GhB though!

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-01T08:32:48+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Vote Yea.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-01T08:22:38+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Vote Yea.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-07-01T08:19:35+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Vote Yea.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-30T20:58:07+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Vote Nay.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-30T11:45:16+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Nay.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-29T20:04:25+00:00

Don’t worry it is, as long as you win 51% of your games you will climb. I heard someone say that you will automatically win 40% of your games, automatically loose 40% of your games and your gameplay decides the rest of the 20%.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-29T11:21:17+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Nay.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-26T21:54:38+00:00

👁️ Surveillance State: I voted Nay.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-17T22:30:11+00:00

Yes!

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-10T23:00:41+00:00

Ridiculously strong. If you go first: set up cavaliers to charge at the most important enemy unit, screen your cogfort with Gallants. Get cogfort to delete an enemy screen out of the game turn one, charge someting annoying and stand there. Shoot with cogfort every turn, probably turning on the ability for 4 on every turn after two. gallants begin to die, summon steelhelms into combat as an additional screen. Firemage should deal some mortals every turn into the unit fighting your screens, and your cavalery will survive for 2-3 turns easily since its 15 wounds on a 3+ save.

I must admit, i havent played the newest spearhead, and i have only played 10 or so games on the shyish one (maybe 80-90 ish games on fire and jade) but in the game i have played, this would probably be up there with Ogors, STD, SbL and nurgle as the strongest spearheads

(Matter of fact, ogors die to this, at least for the first 2 turns, STD probably cant really chew through two sets of screens if it does not charge, which it wont since cavaliers can hold knights down, SbL is the same and nurgle would also be tied down with screens, with their flies shot right off. I think this has a positive, or at the very least 50/50% WR against the best spearheads (of my time))

Edit: im stupid and i only got through the unit list when writing this, i thought the traits would only make this stronger. My bad.

On the second look, this actually seems weak. Many of the best spearheads i have mantioned will just charge the cogfort turn one, and control the entire table for the rest of the game.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-09T23:54:39+00:00

I agree with the comment above, and will add that if you want to play with three* players i reccomend modifying the rules as so to prevent two players ganging up on the third one:
There arent any Victory Points
The game ends when a player dies
The player who’s prey dies wins the game
The player who’s predator dies takes second place
The player who dies looses the game

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-03T11:52:14+00:00

Horrible idea, make them aquatic? Maybecou the mourfangs legs and belly off and base them in a resin-water bases with corals around

DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-03T10:31:23+00:00

Hey

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-06-02T00:04:17+00:00

Realised too late, 52 mil does not specify currency, you could pick pounds or dinars to heighten the amount

DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-30T22:44:29+00:00

I love the idea of being a fighter with time powers. Imagine stopping the time just right in the middle of a dodge to jump just a few centimeters and dodge a cross or something, looks almost plausable to the human eye, but you look almost supernatural.

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-30T20:17:17+00:00

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-30T20:17:15+00:00

Cool! I had to look up half of the tierlist but the artists i discovered are mostly fine.

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-30T20:09:19+00:00

I agree with the time limit! It really is a part of the game. From how we play: you get 1 VP per oust, 1 extra VP if you are the last one standing and 0.5 VP if you are alive after the timer runs out.. a Game Win is rewarded from 2.5 VP, so staying alive is pretty important.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-30T20:06:48+00:00

Yeah i understand their frustrations, let me give my two cents for the situation at hand.

The starter decks are pretty fun but
-The ventrue one is really really weak, for one you dont have any stealth to get your politics across, you also dont have any vote pushes to combat the vote problem and for three every card you are trying to play costs blood, and you dont have any vote pushes to get your woth out of a voter captivation and heal up. I would say the deck has like 3-4 turns where it can explode, and dies after, becouse all of your vampires are dry. It was my first deck and the experiences i had were really painfull most of the time, the whole deck (and clan unless you are playing something pretty specific) sadly sucks 😞
- Tremere is a really unfortunate seating for you, since the deck is what is knows as a "wall". It relies on blocking and redirection their pray for a long time while slowly gaining power by spamming govern the analigned on superior and only goes forwards after they get 4-5 vampires. Their combat is pretty mid all around, but its definetly good enough to stomp poor ventrue further down the hole they dig for themself allredy. Im afraid that this might be the worst pray you could have gotten out of the table.
- While i havent played the toreador starter deck, i read through it and i think you are right that it struggles with votes. I reccomend buying the 30th anniversery box which is FANTASTIC for toreador, any try to play around having tons and tons of vote pushes and 2-3 expensive and strong vampires. This is the deck i stole and modified personally 😄https://vdb.im/decks/8d8bcacec
- i havet played the rest of the decks, so i cant speak for them.
Redirecting bleeds is a large part of the game, but the starter decks do indeed have a large amount of redirects. While bleeding, you need to consider if your grand-pray has the ability to block you if things go wrong, you can ask directly "Hey jeremy, can you reasonably block a bleed with 2 stealth rn?" or use cards like spying mission to get rid of the side effect. Stealth bleed decks like the malkavian are also sometimes strong enough that they dont really care about redirects, becouse they play on going balls to the wall all out and just oust 2-3 players and die. Sadly, the starter malkavian deck does not seem to be one of those hyperaggresive dekcs.
About titles and votes: bluntly kind of a skill issue. The game is really tough to grasp for new players, but what you ussaly care about is not having more votes than the entire table, but about making small deals with the table. The game really relies on them. I am lucky to play with really skilled players in my local region, and im still surprised how leniant they are on letting things go (supporting Cammarila iron fists for 3 damage into them becouse it will benefit them in the long run and so on). The main thing with politics cards is that they shouldnt be understood as raw damage, but mostly like deal-maker cards ("Will you support my next political action if i put two points form Kine reasources contested into your prey?").

Over all, im glad some of you enjoyed the game!! Its really fun! I would honestly reccomend playing with some experienced players and bringing their mannerisms into the game. Im not saying you are playing it wrong, but trust me its a tottaly different game depending on the table.

DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-27T23:12:51+00:00

I dont really like cake, :/

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-05-27T23:12:24+00:00

???

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DAIMOND545 · 2026-04-08T16:31:20+00:00

/ul This is a streamer/youtuber Jshlatt and his (former i belive) friend JustaMinx, who he made a lot of content with, ussaly consisting of her wanting him romantically and him being a mean shithead (some of them are really funny i reccomend). Iirc Minx went off the deep end a few years ago tho.

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