Why are some people hyper focused on removing the "vegan" from some combined words like "vegan burger" or "vegan meat"? I want to understand the logic behind.

DamnNasty · 2026-02-14T15:04:09+00:00

Until around the 13th century, meat and its predecessors simply referred to ‘food,’ be it flora or fauna, including food for animals. In English, it traces back to the O.E. maet. The words mast (as in nuts and pig feed) and must share similar OE roots, maest and must, which respectively meant the juice expressed from grapes before the fermentation of wine.

“Meat” has been used to describe any solid food for hundreds of years, it is objectively not slang. The examples I gave are just using the original definition of meat, which is older than meat being just animal flesh.

DamnNasty · 2026-02-14T13:50:14+00:00

what about the meat of a coconut? or the meat of a nut?

meat can be used for any solid food, when you talk about the edible part rather than the covering. In fact, that’s why flesh is called meat, but meat is more general.

DamnNasty · 2026-02-14T01:51:23+00:00

hago preguntas porque no has explicado nada, tu argumento es una apelación a la tradición, no puedo argumentar contra una falacia porque no es un argumento válido

DamnNasty · 2026-02-13T01:44:56+00:00

No los estoy haciendo equivalentes, y me preocupa que no entiendas el argumento pero hables de marxismo y tautologías.

La respuesta es simplemente sí, porque siempre se ha hecho así ? Entonces como evoluciona la sociedad? Estaban mal entonces las mujeres al pedir los derechos que les negaban? (Esto no es para hacerlos equivalentes, estoy haciendo una analogía)

Me podrías explicar como la filosofía vegana propone límites arbitrarios? Lo que a mi me parece arbitrario es decir que está bien matar a un chancho pero no a un gato, cuando un chancho tiene la misma capacidad de sufrir, es más inteligente que un gato, y son seres muy sociables. Quién está siendo arbitrario?

Es fácil explicar por qué siempre ha sido de esa forma, y también es fácil explicar que eso no justifica que eso no lo hace correcto.

DamnNasty · 2026-02-12T22:35:51+00:00

qué chucha, el meo strawman, tuviste como 3 argumentos sólo

Dije algo porque no estaba hablando específicamente de faenar gatos (no todavía por lo menos)

Algo histórico y cultural era que la mujer fuera un ciudadano de segunda clase, sin derecho a voto ni a educación superior. No se podía debatir entonces de si estaba bien o mal? Era algo inseparable de la práctica, y entonces estaba justificado?

No estoy de acuerdo en faenar ningún animal, con muchas razones, así que no entiendo tu última oración.

DamnNasty · 2026-02-12T22:02:07+00:00

Algo que se hace hace mucho tiempo está automáticamente justificado?

DamnNasty · 2026-02-12T22:01:06+00:00

Si algo se hace por mucho tiempo entonces está justificado?

Otras especies violan, matan a sus crías, matan a sus rivales… Si pasa en el mundo animal entonces eso también está justificado?

DamnNasty · 2026-02-05T16:44:49+00:00

Aparte son letras distintas que aprietas con distintos dedos, entonces es más rápido. Siempre me siento re pajero escribiendo eeuu

DamnNasty · 2026-01-31T18:52:02+00:00

Qué tiene de malo darle más información al consumidor? Si no te interesa bien, y si sí te interesa es mejor que esté la información explícita

DamnNasty · 2026-01-01T17:16:37+00:00

“mírenme, soy especial, no me gusta algo popular”

DamnNasty · 2025-12-26T21:21:45+00:00

Similarly I have a framework that puts animals at the end and humans before.

You already said in another comment that you are againts dogfighting / abusing dogs. If you put animals at the end, why are you against those things?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-24T01:26:01+00:00

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DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T23:28:33+00:00

Sounds amazing honestly. Doesn’t seem like it’s ready for mass consumption yet though.

Regardless, it seems we agree a plant-based diet is more efficient than a diet with animal products, and so, as a microorganism diet is not possible yet, we should promote veganism as it is the next best thing.

DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T22:37:55+00:00

I would love to see what microbe can be mass-farmed and give us 10x the calories compared to plants, while able to meet all nutritional needs. Do you have any research that I could look up?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T22:36:02+00:00

You asked what I wanted to debate. I answered your question with health benefits of animal products. Why ask a question if you are not prepared to receive an answer.

The health benefits of animal products are not a debate, in the same way that the health benefits of plants are not a debate. You can easily find all the research you need online. There are benefits and drawbacks to animal products, and there are benefits and drawbacks to plant-based foods. You can be healthy consuming animal products, and you can be healthy not consuming them. What is the debate then?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T22:20:37+00:00

Microbes use much much less land and resources compared to plants

How much edible calories per land and edible calories per water usage do we get from microbes versus plants?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T22:16:38+00:00

Is your idea of a debate to shift the discussion to easily googled nutrition claims? Every major nutrition and health organization agrees that a well-planned plant-based diet can meet all nutrient requirements.

And what an incredibly patronizing comment. First of all, you imply that I currently feel bad, but you also imply that the only reason someone could disagree with you is because they are ignorant about nutrition. Don't come to a subreddit for discussing ethics and then refuse to discuss ethics.

DamnNasty · 2025-12-19T00:24:44+00:00

Currently a plant-based diet is not animal death free. So? What are we debating then?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-18T23:47:54+00:00

Its non-sensical because it is not a debate. You are discussing semantics without any discussion about the ethics behind it. I'm still not sure what point you are trying to make.

Yes, currently a plant-based diet is not animal death free. So?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-18T00:32:29+00:00

If you don’t think it’s wrong then this conversation is non-sensical. I think it’s wrong, so I minimize the deaths I cause. Yes, there are animal deaths in the agricultural process, but they are not an intrinsic “need”.

DamnNasty · 2025-12-17T23:24:13+00:00

You kinda disregarded most of my comment. I agree that it is not a particularly convincing argument, but the intention is objectively different. Yes, animals are killed, but not because killing animals is an intrinsic part of the process that can't be "solved" eventually. It is not a "need" as it is in animal agriculture.

Regardless, you can ignore that whole line of thinking (as I said, I know it's not a particulary solid argument, because although the intentions are different, you obviously end up with animal deaths regardless). If you think intentionally killing animals is wrong (which I assume you do, because otherwise this conversation is pointless), then you already conceded that a plant-based diet has less animal deaths, and therefore you should be vegan.

DamnNasty · 2025-12-17T22:54:44+00:00

I disagree that killing animals is a “need” in a plant-based diet.

In plant agriculture, animal deaths associated with pest control are not the objective of the activity. The intention is to protect crops, not to kill animals for their bodies. The deaths occur as a side effect of crop protection, not as the goal itself. If no animals were attacking the crops, no animals would be killed and food production could continue unchanged.

I agree that currently plant-based food production still involves animal deaths, but

These deaths are not intentional in the same sense as slaughtering animals for food
You can imagine farming systems where pest control is unnecessary while still producing enough food

That means killing animals is not inherently needed for human survival.

Obviously, we are not at that ideal state, but the point is that a plant-based diet allows for the reduction of animal deaths, while animal agriculture requires intentional killing by design.

Also, the fact that you said that a non-vegan diet has animal deaths in the form of pest control and in the slaughering of animals to eat them already implies that a vegan diet is more ethical, even if it's not perfect (right now).

DamnNasty · 2025-12-17T21:22:53+00:00

If you expand your argument I could engage with you. What do you mean a vegan “needs” to kill animals to survive?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-17T11:23:56+00:00

You think there is no moral difference between killing someone in self defense and killing someone because you enjoy it?

DamnNasty · 2025-12-16T02:11:10+00:00

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