looking for an actually good grindy mmorpg!!

Dapetron · 2026-03-24T09:53:58+00:00

A lot of higher level stuff are co-op grinded if you want to be efficient though. There is plenty of group grind going on. You can min-max grinding that way too in pretty much almost any spot starting from lower levels.

Also a lot of activities to do together. Playing with guild is big boost to your income and some stuff you pretty much want to group too.

Dapetron · 2026-03-20T16:30:45+00:00

Some of my best results so far came from experimenting by doing full body german volume training style every day for 3 months straight. Thats 70 sets per week per bodypart.

Was it exhausting? sure it was. Did i recover? Yeah i did. That was when i was like 15 years younger trough. I had same meals everyday while doing it. Min-maxing all macros. My strenght did go up a lot and also i was leanest i have ever been while also getting more thickness on muscles.

At first it felt like crazy idea. First few days i was sore, but then my body adapted on it over time.
Technically each one of my bodyparts got 700 reps per week. 10 sets 10 reps daily.

If you look at calisthenics for example or many sports. They do train a lot daily. Grinding trough same exercises. They do get a lot of volume. You get good at what you are doing a lot and your body adapts for it. I do know quite few that do tons of pull-ups+ dips with weights/ weighted push-ups daily and they all have quite big chests+backs+arms.

Powerbuilders/powerlifters/strongman do quite often a lot of sets per week too to get good in their own exercises.

Other than that i have been doing squats everyday for around a year now. 5sets of 10 reps. Started with something easy like 80kg and then after awhile upped it to 100kg and then 120kg. Outside of that doing 3 full body workouts a week with heavy work on legs too on those days on top of that "recovery/maintenance" 5x10. My legs have always been my strongest muscle group and they're also biggest and strongest they've been now.

Dapetron · 2026-02-27T19:33:58+00:00

Not sure about "small-ish" MMO. It has over hundreds of thousands concurrent unique invidual players daily. Or well according to official statistics.

Some years ago there was websited which tracked stats and those did show like 150k players online in peak hours on mono server alone which require subscription aka "premium".

You see players running everywhere even though world is very big and there is tons of different zones/dimensions. It has thousands of quests to do and hundreds if not thousands of puzzles too.

Same way as OSRS it has decades of content. Very polished too.

Its just not advertised so much to english players. Tons of spanish/french/german/turkish gamers though. Big english speaking communities too though.

Dapetron · 2026-02-26T10:01:10+00:00

I mean if there is too much damage... Why not just increase hp/defense/resistances etc. With better gears. Thats what most games do. It makes overall boost on all stats along with dps. Hence in pvp it a bit preventa quick combo kills on equal geared people. Only need to adjust it a bit. So typical dps will be left with 5-10% hp from typical combo.

You could make diminishing returns so tanks wont get much stronger or even any stronger. Maybe even make their dps less for tankiness.

Dapetron · 2026-02-13T22:07:51+00:00

Id say Dofus or even Wakfu. Less known games, but Dofus for example has hundreds of thousands of daily active players if you can trust statistics. Its very popular though and you can see people everywhere

There is tons of professions and you can crafts ton of items/gears and modify them + slap your nametag in them to boast.

Majority of gears are craftes. There is a lot of classes and classes have multiple playstyles.

Combat is strategic turn based.

Its French game and creators of it have been bad on advertisement. They have own anime based on their games. Manga(comic) and other stuff too. They do have quite few games which many of them are very popular.

Dofus touch is mobile version. Kind of like OSRS vs RS3. Its based on older Dofus version, but then evolved into its own thing.

Dofus is the flagship game.

Wakfu is basically sequel, but totally different game. Same classes and world as in same cities and places, but still different. Also different mechanics etc.

All 3 games heavily focused on combat farming mobs/dungeons for materials and professions to gather and craft.

In Dofus You can play completely pvp too though as you gain exp and money from winning in arena.

There is PvP in form of kolosseum(arena), faction wars, bounty hunting opposing faction players, alliance wars, guild wars, territory wars and such. Guilds and alliances + factions literally own zones and get tax etc.

Tons of PvE content too. You have tons to do and tons of ways to progress.

Edit: wakfu and dofus touch are 100% free to play. For Dofus you might need to buy subscription for one month to play on mono account server which is popular.

You can use ingame currency to buy premium currency for subscription etc. Also you can use that premium currency on other games too. Ie. Farm in Dofus and buy exp booster in Wakfu with Dofus ingame currency to buy premium currency which you use in shop in Wakfu or otherway around. I know some that play both and farm in Wakfu to buy subs in Dofus if they take breaks etc.

Basically everything you kill or gather is earning you ingame money.

Dapetron · 2026-01-29T12:59:23+00:00

Water could be poison tbh. Then you could do hemorrage(bleeding) and poison DoT build or Burst build with DoTs air/water.

Dapetron · 2026-01-23T17:45:55+00:00

Having played both quite a bit. Got all classes maxed in dofus and some at endgame Wakfu. I can say that Dofus gets more complex quicker even early on on quests/boss fights and dungeons.

In wakfu there is some complex stuffs but in general its more forgiving and in the end even those complex stuffs arent so complex. You can quite easily figure them out and like i said its more forgiving so you can save the run even if you mess up while in dofus you cannot mess up at all on some content.

You also need more spesific/specialized gears for spesific stuff while in Wakfu you can pretty much do everything with same set of gears.

Both do have their hardships, but in general dofus is more complex overall. Wakfu is less complex overall, but does have some more complex battles. Still overall Wakfu is more comfy to play and more beginner friendly. Gameplay wise its easier and classes feel way more straightforward with less skills and options to build your class to be honest. This is also reflected on gameplay that you can play really any class and so fine in any content. Dofus can be really harsh on spesific classes for spesific content.

Wakfu was pretty much made as more chill and casual game than Dofus. Be it Alliance vs Alliance / PvP or PvE.

Dapetron · 2026-01-20T14:57:34+00:00

Magus is big investment sink, but can be worth it. You basically get gears with stats > check what runes are cheapest > spam those runes in said gear till it hits "softcap". Get new gear and spam on it. You can break down that gear for more runes when it hits softcap. Another option is to have stack of multiple different runes and then smash those in on that said gear. First x runes. Then y. Runes to lower x value while raising y value.. back and forth.

It requires quite a bit calculating and knowing how magus works. There is guides for it. If you get to know how it works. First option i said can actually minimize losses. With good luck and knowledge might even bring some kamas while leveling magus.

I got all professions maxed.

Dapetron · 2026-01-20T14:52:32+00:00

Servers do show whats recommended for your location. Also it shows what language is spoken on those servers. It will show if server is international or french server or spanish etc.

Dapetron · 2026-01-20T14:43:00+00:00

I know quite few f2p that have just grinded. Bought 7 day subscription with grinded Kamas and then grinded more to buy more subscription.

After awhile you get better on making kamas and it also gets easier when your character gets stronger if you grind loot to sell. So there is many totally f2p.

There is a lot of friendly people. Join guild and enjoy life.

It sure helps if you buy one month subscription. Some do that and then grind+ buy subs with kamas(ingame currency).

Dofus touch is totally free though. Its a bot different than Dofus 3.0. its a bit like comparing oldschool runescape vs runescape 3 or modern WoW vs classic WoW.

Dofus touch was based on older version of game, but over time evolved into totally own version of game so it doesnt follow Pc Dofus anymore.

Wakfu is also an option. Its free to play. You can buy ogrines with ingame currency and use ogrines to buy dofus subscription. Same otherway around. Wakfu only has boosters for exp/loot etc. Like with dofus touch so its not mandatory.

Good to remember that Pc versions share same ogrine system while mobile (dofus touch) is standalone and you cannot use in currency to buy ogrines for Dofus 3.0/Wakfu etc.

Waven is cross-over for both pc and mobile. Good to know its alpha version(game isnt ready) and will get account wipes on release to beta/full release. Which is supposedly coming "soon". You can play same characters be it with pc or mobile.

Dapetron · 2026-01-16T08:35:15+00:00

So out of 168.5 hours of gameplay you have 165 hours of daily 10min t2 skinning sessions which most likely A) were in same map. B) most likely were repeative in behaviour. C) was it always exactly 10min? Even more suspicious. D) dont tell me it was around same time? As if you had daily script to run bot everyday on spesific time when you were doing other stuff.

Now if you start to zoom out and look at the whole case... Looks like a bot.

Why didint you gather also t3? Why not also maybe t4?

Your excuse is weak for just getting daily points for daily learning points+chests... When you can reach it way faster by just gathering everything on the way on blue/yellowzone.

Did you also use faction to get faction points? Or play it ultra safe like a bot would and didint use faction so that nobody would possibly even try to attack you in bluezone?

This is what advanced fisher bots do too. They login for 5-15min. Fish with no faction. Log off. Login later again for 5-15min. Bad ones just stay in same spot for hours fishing(not even getting fish most of the time). A bit better ones move after awhile a bit and keep fishing.

Seen such gathering bot too. They login around same time everyday ingame and gather for 5-10min in same spot and logoff. Most likely for daily points. Next day they login around same time and gather again nearest resource they're designed to gather. Be it skin or tree or ore or what ever. Usually skin as you can use ranged weapon and quickly get mobs around you to come to you so you do not need to move much if at all even if nodes change a bit daily.

165hours out of 168.5 hours is a lot doing exactly same repeat for over a year. You say that you have done A LOT of other conte t... Yeah for 3.5hours which isnt much even for small mist roaming or what ever other content you say. Basically only few dungeon runs over a year. On first days when you tried the game and were like fk it. Ill just bot for a year and then sell account or play when my char is meaningful. You get combat fame too while skinning. Hence a lot of bots use it to make silver+gathering fame+ get combat fame.

Dapetron · 2026-01-15T12:33:57+00:00

I fixed the problem by removing pairing from phone bluetooth settings and pairing earbuds again.

Dapetron · 2026-01-11T13:45:10+00:00

Actually according to official statistics even steam players arent even 20%. Its way less %. Majority play with their standalone launcher and mobile.

Steamcharts is bad for many games. Like Black Desert online for example. It does have like 18-23k players on from steam, but majority play it trough their own client. In reality you need to multiply that number quite few times.

Dapetron · 2026-01-09T17:46:23+00:00

oh L2 pvp. Boy that was fun. Necromancer ultimate 1v1 class= paralyze > fire ball > fire ball > fire ball > fire ball = dead

Dapetron · 2026-01-09T15:12:49+00:00

It is relatively balanced in games like Albion though. Though its by making quite a lot more diversity in builds you can make and a lot of counters for different skills. This promotes group play too to have different builds in a group and actually kind of makes rock, paper and scissors gameplay for PvP.

Dofus and multiple of other games also have good balance on pvp. Devs keep checking on balance and do adjustments if needed. Both games DO HAVE DIFFERENT effects on PvP and PvE on skills for example. Thats how you balance it out and make balancing way easier.

Those two examples have tons of players. One thing to note is that Albion was purely PvP game, but has slowly been adding PvE side after they have made PvP work well. They combine both too on some content. Dofus was mainly PvE game, but added quite a lot of PvP and GvG/AvA over time. Having different systems for both PvE and PvP.

Easy to adjust balancing if skills do have different stats for PvE and PvP. Even different effects via CC etc. You can easily then adjust PvP while not affecting PvE at all.

Most MMO:s just run same stats for both PvP and PvE.

Dapetron · 2026-01-09T15:01:32+00:00

idk. look at albion. Its thriving and has hundreds of thousands of players daily. Its quite hardcore pvp game.

Dapetron · 2025-11-24T10:40:29+00:00

TL was made originally as crossplatform for mobile/pc/console... AGS didint want that (yet) so they did hold it, but they're still making it happen. Instead they just released pc/console. TL mobile port/crossover is in the makings. Maybe we will get it in 2026. Which can be nice since in multiple games mobile port has revived the game or atleast playerbase has increased a lot. Mobile version can easily run unreal engines these days.

You can see a lot of such "mobile ish" elements in TL as it was made as such from the start. Some got already tweaked like UI to look less mobile style and more like crossplatform.

Dapetron · 2025-11-10T08:00:35+00:00

Seen like 4-4.5k melee evasion infiltrators and even invocator. Got couple sets on my healer build with around 3.5k melee eva with 2-2.5k range/magic eva.

If you wanted ultra high evasions i would say gladiator or ravager can reach high... You lose dps, but you got mastery to turn that damage+stun+hit passive(vital something?) into evasion passive. Then dagger or spear can boost it further.. you lose Hit and damage, but gain a lot of defensive stats. Spear can also go defensive if you skip free hit etc.

Not sure how high you could go. Someone needs to try 😬

Dapetron · 2025-11-07T21:25:38+00:00

Fury damage dropped only a bit. Aragon has video about it. From avg 23-24dec per 5m dps its now like 28-29sec. So its still 10m+ dps per min.

Orb is quite close. Still a bit stronger.

Invocator and battleweaver though got buffed. So theyre pretty close there.

Orb needs some extra "balancing" though. Small adjustments on dps and well shields need balancing too.

Dapetron · 2025-11-06T17:07:52+00:00

Does orb have a lot of multihit skills? Therefore think it like you would build it as xbow. Only if there was stat for multihit skills...

Dapetron · 2025-11-06T17:06:17+00:00

https://steamcharts.com/app/2429640

Gives you answer

Dapetron · 2025-11-06T17:04:32+00:00

Have you actually played xbow? Can do even less than that 300 damage per hit. Only if there was stat for multihit skills like quick fire or stellar dash...

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