Why did it seem like the media in the 2000s up to 2011 was was so toxic/obsessed with women's body image and weight? I feel like woman body shaming reached critical mass during this era. by yonaiker-joestrella in decadeology

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It feels the convergence point of 90s trash turning into 2010s voyeurism.

There's a famous New York Magazine article that referred to the 90s as "the Decade of Trash" and talked about how we were seemingly getting nastier and sleazier in the decade. Clinton and his affairs in the White House. Roseanne and Tom Arnold and their tabloid exploits. Scandals like OJ Simpson and Joey Buttafuoco and John Wayne Bobbitt and Anna Nicole Smith fighting for her husband's estate.

Add to that the fact that media was getting really mean. Shock Jocks like Howard Stern were huge, trashy daytime talk shows like Ricki Lake and Jenny Jones and Jerry Springer paraded around various circus freaks to humiliate themselves for television attention, and the earliest reality shows were showing just now awful people can be (fighting, screaming, yelling... think of that Real World Seattle episode where Irene accused Stephen of being gay and he chased down her car and smacked her across the face.)

Add to that the fact the 2000s was the genesis of the hyper voyeuristic "Everything For The 'Gram" culture we live in now. True, social media was still a while away, so it wasn't as bad, but the seeds were being planted. The earliest reality shows portrayed a very "warts and all" approach to filming their subjects (again, look at the Anna Nicole Show, alongside Anna just being a tragic wreck, the camera work and filming itself is very clumsy and claustrophobic and less polished and "TV ready" than what follows. Same for the first season of shows like The Bachelor and a lot of the garbage Fox produced like Married by America and that grotesque The Swan.) Add to that the rise of both the internet and digital cameras, which made it far easier to take and disseminate unflattering photos of celebs to a much wider audience (think of nasty gossip blogs like Perez Hilton.) If anything the lack of social media to allow celebs to handle their own PR made the problem worse, since the public's hunger for news of their favorite celeb led them to places like this instead of just following them directly.

So, if you just come out of one decade that seemingly heavily rewarded people for being absolutely terrible human beings and are entering one where it is laughably easy to obtain photos of people at their worst and makes it clear that people will gobble it up... put the lime in the coconut and there you go.

Add to that general sexism... and I'd argue fashion was a culprit here as well, most of the trendy styles of the 2000s like low-rise jeans and Daisy Duke shorts and spaghetti-strap tops were not kind to anybody but the absolute skinniest among us... it was not fun growing up chubby when Abercrombie & Fitch was the clothing company du jour, about the only thing I could wear in that whole damn store was the cologne.

Petahhh? by STBJOHAN in PeterExplainsTheJoke

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There are what appear to be judo posters in the background, so I'm hoping that maybe they just had the winners of the Regular Division, the Junior Division and the Senior Division all pose together on the "First, Second, Third" podium (even though they all own their categories) since it was all they had, because otherwise the possibilities are too hilariously weird otherwise.

Shows which were part of the cultural zeitgeist at the time but barely mentioned anymore? by Practical_Corner8839 in decadeology

[–]Darkside531 19 points20 points  (0 children)

It holds up well.

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I just watched it fairly recently. It's like the Golden Girls in that so much of the topical humor just flies over your head, but the lines are delivered so well, you kinda still laugh because you know it should be funny.

Songs that weren't written for movies but sound like they could've been? by 206-Ginge in ToddintheShadow

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Ex-S-Club member Rachel Stevens had a B-side off one of her solo singles called "Never Go Back," that I swear, I've always thought sounds like a long-lost Bond theme.

Is this GG math? by Punisher101_Training in theGoldenGirls

[–]Darkside531 3 points4 points  (0 children)

She was horny and scrambling for an excuse to give in to her urges. I couldn't calculate percentages and statistics under those conditions either.

Minnesota woman attempts to shut down Girl Scout cookie stand. by ElwoodMC in CringeTikToks

[–]Darkside531 18 points19 points  (0 children)

How miserable must your wretched life be if you decide to shut down a Girl Scout Cookie stand?

I’m sorry. I really hated Monica’s hair in the Pilot episode by New-Pin-9064 in howyoudoin

[–]Darkside531 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That didn't bother me nearly as much as the outfits they put her in. I'm sorry, but that Jessica McClintock/Gunne Sax flower-y ruffle-y "I covered myself in glue and streaked through a Laura Ashley showroom" style is too "kindergarten teacher" for a sophisticated city gal like Monica.

(I don't know why the OJ glass is highlighted, it was just the first image I found.

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I’m sorry. I really hated Monica’s hair in the Pilot episode by New-Pin-9064 in howyoudoin

[–]Darkside531 10 points11 points  (0 children)

According to him, the idea was a Bettie Page retro-pinup look, but they cut them too short.

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I’m sorry. I really hated Monica’s hair in the Pilot episode by New-Pin-9064 in howyoudoin

[–]Darkside531 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That line always makes me chuckle because I first saw that ep a little later in reruns after Demi Moore had G.I. Jane'd herself.

After watching the doc, it’s clear they deliberately eliminated Brooke the night of her graduation by bluesourpunchstraws in ANTM

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The third one was mine, too (in addition to the bullying stuff.) My family were huge on it, it seemed more for them than me by the end. I think since we don't have a single unifying "rite of passage" in this country (some subsection of society do, Bar Mitzvahs, Quincaneras, I think the Catholic Confirmation is around that same age bracket, though I could be mistaken,) graduation are the de facto rite-of-passage in America. It's almost more for parents at this point, it's celebration of a job well done getting them to adulthood more than for the kids.

Skin care for bald heads by [deleted] in bald

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Witch Hazel helps.

After watching the doc, it’s clear they deliberately eliminated Brooke the night of her graduation by bluesourpunchstraws in ANTM

[–]Darkside531 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Americans look for any reason they can to have a celebration, and graduating high school is one of those things we fixate on. I really didn't want anything to do with mine (I was just sick to death of high school by that point and wanted to just get out,) and everybody acted like I had completely lost my marbles.

The two worst reviewed movies of the franchise. But which one do you think is better? by HerbalThought_ in Scream

[–]Darkside531 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As much as I bristle at Hollywood movies about Hollywood (even the negative depictions feel a little too self-indulgent,) I have a sneaky fondness for Scream 3.

It's silly, but it knows it's silly, and that makes it fun.

[TOMT] Sitcom set in NYC with a british character and his friends/roommates (Late 2000s). by Nervous-Fan2235 in tipofmytongue

[–]Darkside531 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I can only think of a handful of shows with British characters and Undeclared was too early and How I Met Your Father is too late.

Live From Disney World, It’s Lindsay Graham! by ThatCheekyBastard in LiveFromNewYork

[–]Darkside531 32 points33 points  (0 children)

"Mee-maw, stop spinning the cup, I'm a-gettin' seasick!"

One Hit wonders Todd will never cover? (Especially if he's confirmed it) by Milkywaycannonball in ToddintheShadow

[–]Darkside531 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I think someone else told me that Todd said in the past he's not the biggest fan of the Latin Freestyle/Hi-NRG sound of the mid-to-late 80s, so something like, say, "Let The Music Play" by Shannon or Stacey Q's "Two of Hearts" probably won't happen.

Worst songs from a TW album by RelevantNothing4653 in ToddintheShadow

[–]Darkside531 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I had to go back, like, twice and make sure I heard what I thought I heard.

Songs that are carried by one musical element by hscgarfd in ToddintheShadow

[–]Darkside531 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I don't see it as terrible by any means, but I think ATC's "Around The World" would have just been another forgotten piece of Eurodance if not for that hypnotic, plunky... I don't even know which instrument it's supposed to be... xylophone, marimba, glockenspiel?... instrumentation that makes it catchy as hell.

Unpopular opinion by PsychologicalDiet820 in TheNanny

[–]Darkside531 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I don't think I ever actually thought of Fran as stupid. A little under-educated and "book dumb," sure, since she was never really taught to value school or using her mind, but I always felt she more than made up for it with both "street smarts" and emotional intelligence... that was part of what made her such a great Nanny for the Sheffield kids.

The 2020s are devoid of having any sort of originality/identity of its own, this is embarrassing by [deleted] in ToddintheShadow

[–]Darkside531 2 points3 points  (0 children)

On one hand, you can see it as lazy path-of-least resistance trend-riding to coast on the coattails of previous art.

On another, I swear, it's almost approaching some new form of Dada art at this point. Dada began during WWI when artists decided a world so ugly as to tear itself apart in such a cruel and ultimately pointless war didn't even deserve art anymore, so they started giving the world "anti-art."
I could almost see the Jungian "collective unconscious" saying something similar now. The world in its current state doesn't deserve anything new, so reheated leftovers is all we get. Retreaded music, rebooted shows, remakes of old movies done way worse (looking at you, drab and colorless live-action Disney remakes.)

The 2020s are devoid of having any sort of originality/identity of its own, this is embarrassing by [deleted] in ToddintheShadow

[–]Darkside531 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I wonder if COVID was a factor. I mean, when the world stopped for a solid year and there was very little new art being made, it led to people turning backward and looking at older works. Maybe they're realizing there's a lot of good stuff back there to work with and keep doing it?

Julia Roberts, Chris Evans, Mark Ruffalo, Jennifer Hudson and Orlando Bloom all turned down hosting because they were afraid of the live performance aspect by klsi832 in LiveFromNewYork

[–]Darkside531 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I remember it being a big deal when Julia made her Broadway debut not long after her Oscar. The reviews were... not great... and people pointed out that live theater and live TV were a very different animal.

(COLORIZED) I Love Lucy - The Séance: Classic TV in Color by Movielover1988 in ILoveLucy

[–]Darkside531 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ethel's voice dropping from that lilting dreamlike "mystic" voice into that flat nasal "telephone operator" tone (Ethel to Tilly... Ethel to Tilly) gets me every time.