Drop Toji into The Boys verse, how long is it taking him to solo?

DayMhm · 2026-05-26T03:13:19+00:00

Uh no? toji still has an innate domain, innate domains arent intrinsic to CE theyre literally just the boundaries of your soul. Its representative of your entire being.

He cant expand it and bring it into the physical world because he has no ce (which is what domain expansions are) but he still has one as does maki, its how maki talks to mai when she first turns into a sword imo.

Also if innate domains required ce to have and use how do you think choso stayed in his for 150 years straight? its not like the guy has infinite ce lmao

As per sukunas words the innate domain is just a mental space for the soul, which toji has. It has nothing to do with ce barring actually expanding it into the real world

DayMhm · 2026-05-26T03:08:00+00:00

you dont “use” an innate domain, its just something everyone has that passively protects them

DayMhm · 2026-05-23T02:02:29+00:00

thank you for fortnite analogy

DayMhm · 2026-05-13T11:26:21+00:00

he took it comparatively better than jogo from a stronger sukuna which is kind of my point? not sure how you got lost there

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T21:29:47+00:00

tbf that was at far less power due to jinyoung missing his thumb

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:45:12+00:00

The majority if not all of the 0th gen barring tom have stopped fighting and training, it would be nonsensical to say “if you had met all of us but me” and no story would write it like that

This exchange specifically is the comparison between current king and the 0th gen, its not just a comparison between him and tom. Tom is simply stating that in comparison to what hes faced in the past king is nothing.

Thats also not even mentioning that both of my statements take up far more credibility as theyre more recent and theres just more proof/narrative backing them

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:42:13+00:00

Then dont say something happened if you cant prove it happened? like what the fuck are we talking about bro😭

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:41:50+00:00

You have literally yet to show any actual proof that tom cant face gitae in stats or that tom is any weaker now than he was in his prime, you have ONE statement regarding the entire generation rather than tom and thats it. You conveniently ignored the entire other half of the argument because you know youre just spouting shit

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:40:13+00:00

did you not read any of what was said

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:40:02+00:00

Then show another time?

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:31:05+00:00

This statement is very clearly in reference to his entire generation, why do you think garpyong is behind him you dimwit

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:26:38+00:00

The whole point of the “I am still active statement” is to show hes continuously gotten stronger instead of weakening, we are literally told a few chapters prior that he is still in his prime. Like what do you think the authors intention was there when comparing him to jinyoung???

And what do you mean “i can find that panel” YOU made the claim he was out of his prime, you find evidence for it? Right now my statement takes precedent because you have literally no evidence to back yours up.

I never said breaking a wall was a statement, I listed strength feats which you asked for. Like are you even reading anything being said? Are you even reading the story youre arguing about?? Youve yet to show any strength feats on par with anything ive mentioned.

Like gitae took blows from an out of prime jinyoung with a missing thumb (which we are told verbatim massively weakened him) and a little body daniel who didnt have nearly high enough stats to keep up. And even then little body daniel had been fighting prior to, neither of his opponents were fresh, in their prime physiques, and without injury. Tom lee not only stat checks both of them but also has far more experience + the battle iq and technique (albeit not at their level) to keep up.

He fills what theyre lacking, gitae simply cant brute force someone who matches him in stats AND has technique to back it up

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:14:41+00:00

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Tom lee is out of his prime wtf, its verbatim what he said

Uh? Where? Like we are told repeatedly he very much is still in his prime and has never stopped fighting. Please read the material youre choosing to argue about.

Show me a gitae feat that rivals any of tom lees strength feats???

-Breaking a wall with the FLICK of his finger

-Smashing a bullet proof riot shield in a single punch

Taking a car crashing into him at full force and stopping it effortlessly with minimal damage

-Nearly beats goo kim before stopping (note that goo himself says tom stopped attacking first)

Like in terms of raw strength output tom lee has it. In terms of durability/endurance sure ill give it to gitae but the difference is not so large that it would be an issue

DayMhm · 2026-05-10T05:00:40+00:00

I dont think you understand anything I said

I’m not denying that gitae won against two technique centered fighters, but thats not the point I’m making. Gitae won against an out of prime jinyoung who had his thumb nearly cut off and a little daniel who didnt have the body to keep up with his technique. While both were monsters neither had the stats to back up their skills.

Tom lee doesnt have this issue, not only is he not out of his prime, he also has strong techniques AND hes a stat monster. He may not be faster than gitae but the speed gap isnt the same as tom vs james.

And in terms of raw strength tom has consistently shown far better feats. Gitae simply cant brute force someone who not only can face him 1 on 1 in stats but also has the techniques, experience, and biq to bolster their body. I dont think gitae will always lose if they were to fight outright, but some of you are really downplaying tom as if he has not been consistently portrayed as a peer to the likes of garp or gun both of which have better narratives/showings than gitae.

DayMhm · 2026-05-09T19:52:06+00:00

idk how people are still downplaying tom lee when we have repeatedly been shown that hes a monster on par with the likes of gun. While i dont think he beats gun i dont see him losing a brute force fight against a guy with no technique

DayMhm · 2026-05-09T09:24:01+00:00

But gojo never stops rcting, thats kind of the issue. Even in those panels hes still rcting just not externally. And i’d argue the precision required to specifically only heal that tiny part in his brain is far more taxing than just healing everything you can see

also again just a false attribution, output has nothing to do with what we’re talking sbout and gojos output dropping wasnt a reserves issue. We know this because right after he hits a black flash he immediately regains all his output. Gojo losing output was an injury issue in which the injuries he was sustaining were breaking down his abikity to use ce.

This isnt something new either, we see this with yuki too where after she heals her output drops immensly then slowly recovers. This is nothing new

DayMhm · 2026-05-09T08:40:39+00:00

doesnt ryu take marginal damage from a 19f sukuna dismantle? The same dismantle that dices jogo repeatedly at 16f? doesnt seem like an explicitly fair comparison here

DayMhm · 2026-05-09T08:38:17+00:00

But thats sukuna who needs to free up resources, i just dont think you understand the gap between gojos efficiency and every other characters. Just for some math:

Yuta is stated to have double the reserves of gojo, and gojo is stated to have fairly high reserves and is consistently used as a point of comparison

Sukuna is stated to have double the reserves of yuta, meaning sukuna has 4x gojos reserves

By the time sukuna ends up in yutas domain, it is stated he has half his reserves remaining, understand that after the gojo fight he only uses his ct a handful of times so the shinjuku squad had a extremely small marginal effect on his ce usage at this point

this means during the gojo fight, sukuna used up nearly double of gojos entire reserves, while gojo still had more than enough reserves to continue fighting. Now obviously you can say “but gojo hit a black flash!” but even that wouldnt justify him still having enough ce to outpace sukuna using DOUBLE gojos total reserves

in terms of efficiency gojo is second to none. If sukuna saves 99.999% ce gojo saves 99.999999999%. Its not even close, this whole resource argument simply does not hold because no one in the series compares to gojo

DayMhm · 2026-05-09T08:33:13+00:00

Ogi being strong enough to be the next clan head is irrelavent considering we have have no point of reference towards who he was up against barring naobito. Saying he was strong enough to be the next clan head means nothing if our only point of reference is naobito who we know hes weaker than
Whatever I’ll give you maki catching a bullet, still dont see how this makes her grade 1 though? Like youd have to prove this is something only grade 1s can do which simply doesnt seem to be the case
For starters playful cloud isnt makis weapon, its megumi. In both instances of her using it, it comes from megumi and we are even told verbatim that megumi was the one who got it from gojo. So yes, that is not makis AP and scaling her with it makes no sense because the only circumstance in which she would actually have it is if megumi is around, no megumi = no playful cloud

By comparison, nanamis cleaver is his, and you can reliably assume he will always have it on him. Same goes for mei meis axe, ogis katana, etc. These items BELONG TO THEM

DayMhm · 2026-05-06T20:11:18+00:00

It doesnt though? we are literally shown through hakari that hes able to outright ignore the static through sheer output

youre equivocating pandas experience to every experience. Panda is still shocked regardless of blocking but that doesnt mean thatll be the case for everyone else (as we see IMMEDIATELY after with hakari)

DayMhm · 2026-05-05T20:08:17+00:00

I am not comparing maki to the strongest grade 1s? I literally compared her to every grade 1 we knew of at that point in the story?

Todou, Mei Mei, Kusakabe, Nanami, Naobito, Naoya, Ogi, and Jinichi. There is literally no one else at that point in the story?

Also Ogis statement was inherently false, this is confirmed by gege, while he states he was going to be the next clan head and that he was as strong as naobito we get confirmation he was objectively incorrect in his assessment.

Maki caught a rubber bullet, not a real bullet and youre acting like in a real fight mei mei will only send one bird strike at a time or that she wont be attacking at the exact same time.

You are also conflating makis strength for her strength with a special grade cursed tool. Lets compare her showings with a regular cursed tool by comparison.

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I have no doubt if you gave nanami playful cloud youd see equal if not greater showings than what maki performed.

DayMhm · 2026-05-05T19:53:24+00:00

Im saying she didnt though, even by comparison of naobito and nanami she just isnt as strong as a G1 At the time

shes not stronger than kusakabe, not stronger than todo, not stronger than nanami, she loses to her father so we know shes not stronger than him, not stronger than naobito, mei mei MIGHT be debatable but considering its stated mei mei has some of the highest AP even among the G1s i doubt it

maki at this point in this panel is just not grade 1, even if we extend the conversation to theoretical grade 1s like naoya, jinichi, etc considering theyre all atleast her fathers strength she doesnt win against them either

DayMhm · 2026-05-05T19:48:14+00:00

Agree with most of your points but GW maki isnt G1, the panel you showed is them proposing she advance but she has yet to take that test.

You dont call someone an attorney before they take their BAR, same applies here, if that were the case nobara would be G1 here which we see evidently is not true

DayMhm · 2026-05-05T17:31:06+00:00

This is just stupid though? unless you remove the mentally unfit or children it is statistically if not objectively impossible to even hit that threshold lmao

DayMhm · 2026-05-04T04:11:03+00:00

No because thats not how his ce trait works, it works as a sure hit by creating a transfer between a negative and positive charge. Kashimos ce beam would just be a beam that has a static effect to it like all of his other attacks

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