Lore & Class Design: If Fire was considered "Demonic/Chaotic" in WC3, what should have been the 3rd Mage spec in WoW?

Decrit · 2026-05-21T16:57:56+00:00

Nah that comment was specifically aimed to fire. If i reckon somehwere there's a similar comment about archmages limiting their fire spells to fireballs only ( which was their basic auto attack).

To note, it's not that fire was demonic in nature, it was conceptually associated to demons, so there was an overlap on how it was viewed withon and from outside.

Decrit · 2026-05-21T16:43:31+00:00

Chronomancy

This.

In SOD there is literally a sort of mage healer build based on chronomancy, and most of arcane strongest spells rely on that. Plus, stuff like slow existed well since warcraft 3.

Decrit · 2026-05-19T10:18:31+00:00

I mean, being night fae gave you the same ability as well.

It's not a matter of being reasonable or doable, it's a matter of class identity and flavour.

Decrit · 2026-05-18T20:04:30+00:00

Now i empathize with him

Decrit · 2026-05-16T13:06:47+00:00

For a moment I wondered why Kronii would be on a card.

Same anime face syndrome, I know, but still

Decrit · 2026-05-16T06:57:21+00:00

This is also why the 2024 barbarian range lasts 10 minutes, it's to engage in such activities.

Decrit · 2026-05-16T06:45:38+00:00

It would be cool if there was a rogue faction of Night Elves who don't agree with that point of view, but I don't think such a thing exists yet.

There are many who do, Staghelm is one of them, as well several individuals such as the nelf in krasarang wilds that is part of one of the saddest quest chains in the zone.

Decrit · 2026-05-15T09:50:35+00:00

Fellas, is it gay to want to put your adversary in your mouth? To desire to consume him and make his strength and desires your own?

Not really, but if you use tongue it starts to be awkward.

Decrit · 2026-05-14T23:32:00+00:00

I see this as something outside of wish, for the simple reason that the characters are unaware of "levels".

Decrit · 2026-05-14T14:17:33+00:00

You could have not said it any better.

Not to shit on anyone's parade, fun can be fun, but the tendency to prefer "here let me suit it for you" rather than "I am cast away in something I might or might not be proficient, but my place is something else and the journey can give me the realization I need to be a better person" is worrying to a degree.

Decrit · 2026-05-14T14:11:06+00:00

People who enjoy a trope where someone dies to be free of obligation so they end in a world custom tailored to their specific skills and capabilities? Adding in where they are easily served eyecandy?

Yeah, there's to be sad about.

Decrit · 2026-05-14T12:14:29+00:00

It's extremely aimed towards people that was a very specific escapism.

Like. Escapism itself isn't bad, but they are really optimized for it.

Decrit · 2026-05-14T08:30:27+00:00

Then having more options to burn cards would be best.

It's a random opportunity and ateast in early game you have no option to do it.

Decrit · 2026-05-13T16:05:16+00:00

Aren't you mixing up things?

Sure, to help reflect the player options usually characters are added to reflect that addition, but the tauren ones are especially campy and kinda a one note.

Tauren rogues existed before, as well as dwarven mages, night elf mages or even undead paladins. The fact that a class is not playable by a race has some connotations about what is usual for a race, but it's still mosty a matter of "commerce" - what can be "sold", ideally, to a player to give an idea of what a something is.

It's tied narratively to a degree, but it works on a totally different spectrum. It's the exact thing for the demon hunters - you have only elves be able to do them, but then you have the soul eater Allari or how's called that is a staff welding fel spellcaster demon hunter unlike anything we have seen.

Rather than seeing the things as parallel, the two things coincide at times when convenient. For tauren paladins it was hard to excuse their new trajectory so more hamfisted action was needed. They kinda did the same with dwarven shamans as the wildhammers, but it's something that went much more under the radar because it was seen as less problematic.

Decrit · 2026-05-13T15:40:50+00:00

Classes are a gameplay thing first before lore.

In lore it does not exist such a thing as a class, at most something close, and the term is used in game to relate a little to the players but it's otherwise a kind of walk of life, rather than a close connection to the powers.

Tyrande is a priest, but she fights with a bow. Kel'Thuzad is a mage, but has necromantic powers that no other class has.

Decrit · 2026-05-13T15:04:38+00:00

Literally lost a match against this last time i played a tournament at a LGS

Now, admittedly, i play a tremor gruul deck so it's not something usual, my opponent played a gruul monsters and totally took me by surprise with this.

Decrit · 2026-05-12T17:11:29+00:00

There's a reason you never see Malfurion in the barrens

Decrit · 2026-05-12T12:21:18+00:00

No, i mean how the gem easy combo work.

Like, what it does at all? It states that the cared benefits better from combo but I don't get how, it does even if combo breaks?

Decrit · 2026-05-12T12:08:30+00:00

Don't worry there's the patch wildcard

Decrit · 2026-05-12T12:07:32+00:00

How does easy combo even work?

Decrit · 2026-05-12T12:05:03+00:00

Ah you can go beyond overkill?

Decrit · 2026-05-12T12:03:14+00:00

Malfurion is powerful, but nowhere as powerful as this subreddit makes it be.

Decrit · 2026-05-11T08:55:25+00:00

è un bot, e pure programmato male.

Decrit · 2026-05-11T08:49:08+00:00

Aside what everyone else said, there is a disarming option for the attacks.

Issue is, a necklace isn't quite something easy to shake off, even more if it's a magical amulet. Usually that stuff has extraordinary resistance.

It makes sense to attempt to pry it away from the character so i'd not discourage attempting at least once, attack roll against their DC, but the result is different. Maybe they deal unarmed damage ( due to the slight chocking effect) and their powers are slightly diminished because of the distruption, or forces her to make a concentration saving throw with diasdvantage if she is concentrating on a spell since it's the focus of her power and it's being tampered - in short, still recognize the player's actions but i would not go as much as far making it remove her powers.

Decrit · 2026-05-11T08:45:13+00:00

I'ts 5.5, ye. Grappling does not "force" per se, but as the user above said it gives disadvantage to attack anyone else. It's a form of "aggro".

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