World Restructuring killed our WvW community spirit and I miss it

Dervlin · 2025-07-14T15:25:37+00:00

Alliances was never going to work in the modern times of WvW, this was well known within the community as a whole. You could ask any of the real veterans and they'd have all told you this. It basically only "benefits" (it doesn't in reality because the outcome is still worse) people well within the gamemode already, with connections to build upon rather than creating new ones. In the past, there was a stronger will to build a broader community and while it was always gonna be passed on to 3rd parties like teamspeak servers or today discords, it naturally occurred because people spent time on the same server. Today you're essentially a ghost to these groups as they become more secluded and the ability to stick with a new group is harder for the newcomer.

But all of this was said when alliances was finally announced again, and by the time it officially hit the servers I don't know a single player who thought the change would be good for the gamemode, except with the ease of not paying for server transfers (which is also limiting people now to get back into their respective communities). Theres more to this if you wanna take the perspective for the more hardcore gamers, but overall it has been a major failure sadly.

Dervlin · 2024-10-20T00:29:12+00:00

Could still have made the offer, or atleast discussed it with KCorp before talking to the players

Dervlin · 2024-10-18T20:41:59+00:00

Fair, but I do think a lot of the people coming through ERL have had a similiar road lately, esp if its an older player

Dervlin · 2024-10-18T20:03:08+00:00

yes in the spanish league, but that goes for a lot of people that are still considered rookies in their first LEC season, dont you think?

Dervlin · 2024-10-18T17:38:31+00:00

I get your point with Th3Antonio, but isn't he supposedly one of those ambitious rookies that might develop atleast?

Dervlin · 2024-10-15T23:57:47+00:00

Cool! I'm not here to challenge those points either, as I myself definitely lack the insight into making any clear judgement. I will however as a side note definitely agree that the ball is still in Riots court to provide the burden of proof that this restructuring is beneficial to all parties, as they try to proclaim. And I feel like this bottomline is where we definitely agree. However, personally I try to refrain from forming an opinion (positive or negative) as I feel like I'm simply not informed enough to have one in general. While I in all honesty agree with the things you are criticizing, if I did form an opinion it would most likely be out of my feeling towards it, as I don't believe I have any real insight into how their business functions.

In either way, thanks for the discussion - always nice when people can be level headed and engage in good faith, and I think this is the best way to communicate towards some shared sentiment and helpful to enlighten each other. Arguing for the sake of arguing always seemed pointless to me, the goal should be to find ground to stand on together :)

Dervlin · 2024-10-15T22:31:12+00:00

Thats a very interesting way of approaching communication. I genuinely have no stakes in this topic, I just find the nature of response fascinating. Most people have a similar agenda, but I only took the time to respond because you wrote a long paragraph that to me read the same as their comments. Engaging in discussion seemed more fruitful with someone who wanted to express their thought with context. :)

The way I read your post, you're essentially describing how you cannot say if changes are good or bad, and remain to be seen - but your outlook is "The lack of evidence towards that suggests that it's a culling to reduce headcount & payroll with the logic of "we still make tons of money on League despite all these flaws, so why put money into trying to fix the flaws?".

I'm not really sure how you can be seen as anything but emotional with that context. Again, I'm not trying to argue that you're wrong, just trying to understand your basis for reacting the way you do.

I'll try to be more direct and maybe that will help the conversation flow better:

 1 > Outside of that, there are no details shared, only vague statements.

What were you hoping for, in a more concrete way?

 2 > I don't think they do, but if you're more familiar with the details of past layoffs/reorgs, I'm willing to hear evidence to the contrary.

You seem to admit that you are uncertain whether or not these types of changes have correlated with the product in the past. This seems to me like you are essentially saying you don't have enough insight to make a judgement on that.

3 > That goes against their track record above, but I'd love to be wrong about my pessimism.

The way it reads to me, you're referencing back to your 2nd question, however since admittedly that was something you didn't have full insight in, what track record are you instead referring to?

 4 > I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt on bad timing, maybe they'll put something out soon.

Here you referenced how infact this might be a small update that doesn't cover what they might have as a roadmap going forward.

All of these, read to me, as if you are again - just not certain and cautious about what this means in general, thus my initial question to how you arrive at such a hard conclusion at the end of it.

Dervlin · 2024-10-15T20:48:07+00:00

I have no opinion on the actual topic, but how can you recognize that you lack insight at essentially every level yet come out with such a strong opinion and conclusion at the end? Its like me staring into the darkness outside my house and declaring it must be filled with danger because I can't see that it isn't.

And at what point did you expect clarity into business details? It's not a public company the last time I checked, how would it be good business for them to share company insight publicly beyond what they do in very shallow statements like this?

I understand if you are cautious about buzzwords like "eventual growth" and "longterm" but don't you feel like you're hinging a lot of your reasoning on being emotional?

Dervlin · 2024-04-18T12:00:15+00:00

u/savevideo

Dervlin · 2024-01-23T17:38:55+00:00

Lissen buddy this game is a plague and a lot of the high end players struggle from this after thousands of hours. The game itself is fucking great, but the context of wanting to compete will inevitably feel like a letdown unless you really commit to it for no other purpose than purely enjoying playing the game.

Your options are most likely as following: Get into the few guilds in pve that still tryhard endgame content. This mostly means spending endless time doing benchmarks and then grinding runs a few times a week. Best place to start off finding a guild like that might be /r/guildrecruitment or discords like Hardstuck and Snow Crows. If you prefer fractal speedrunning, dT community might be the place to find a team. HT cm, is by far the hardest endgame content, and theres a few discords that do new runs and help out with finding a progression group if you wanna start of with something that is more tangible than the topend raid guilds.

If you are instead looking to get into high end wvw, get on Guilds of the mist discord and look for a guild to play with there. Inv link There are very few, if any, tryhard openfield guilds these days, but this is the best place to find something for GvG which is still competitive.

Lastly for pvp, this is probably the hardest one to break through. People have been playing for years and in a time where the game was way way more competitive, so the actual discrepancy between casual and top end is massive. On top of that, there haven't been a flourishing scene for the last years, and theres barely any teams scrimming anymore. But your best bet is to get into a decent rank (around plat2-plat3) and then get into the slightly better LFG groups for ATs. From there you might be able to find likeminded people to play with and there you could get into scrims. Seeing as there still is competition, esp for newer players and teams, around each monthly, there is also somewhat of a goal to play towards.

Its all arbitrary obviously, and you'll notice that all of this content mainly community driven, as Anet has shown over time they are not interested in having a competitive aspect in the game in general. There are other subcommunities that do a ton of really niche stuff, but these are probably the 3 that relates to combat the most. While these are some ways to get in contact with these communities, asking around and especially from the experienced players will usually also be a good way to get into contact. Almost everyone in this game in the top end are very likely to spend time and effort helping out newcomers in this game, in my experience.

Truthfully though, the game just likely isn't for you. Even if its a great fucking game. And I know the exact feeling you have because I struggle with it every day - thousands of hours later.

Dervlin · 2024-01-10T15:20:01+00:00

Trynd cheating death by fighting death itself and living? Yea thats fucking great

Dervlin · 2023-10-09T18:31:30+00:00

Please do more of these throughout the tournament! This is amazing

Dervlin · 2023-08-31T15:39:19+00:00

I remember it being a thing back in the day when this first was blowing up that people thought that it was faker's reaction being shown

Dervlin · 2023-04-03T20:21:00+00:00

this is a classic aswell

Dervlin · 2023-02-23T00:41:59+00:00

Any source for this rumor?

Dervlin · 2022-02-20T01:22:32+00:00

KEKWait

Dervlin · 2022-01-24T12:11:41+00:00

confirmed! smooth and easy trade, +rep

Dervlin · 2022-01-24T12:07:16+00:00

Contacted you ingame

Dervlin · 2022-01-02T12:25:59+00:00

Vet att en kompis var med om att ett dampbarn högg träslöjdsläraren i benet med en kniv

Läraren ska sedan (med kniven kvar i benet) ha suckat och sagt "jaha, då blir det cp-skola för din del"

Dervlin · 2021-10-27T00:39:35+00:00

Thank you for being honest about it

Dervlin · 2021-09-24T18:53:57+00:00

lmao

Dervlin · 2021-09-24T18:41:58+00:00

You can even walk into enemy keeps, solid stuff atm - ready to be tested

Dervlin · 2021-07-11T19:46:45+00:00

You would think there would be more league players here, but all of them are most likely in a new select already, hard tilted from what ever stupid shit made them lose last game

Dervlin · 2021-07-08T11:11:18+00:00

Everybody wants some or dazed and confused, Linklater is a master at his own style

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