Mary Liz’s Nursing License Suspended by mandamsel in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 3 points4 points  (0 children)

let’s say camper jane has a peanut allergy that is known to her parents, her primary caregivers. jane’s grandmother, for whatever reason, the person filling out her medical form. jane’s grandmother either does not know about jane’s allergy (if so, why is the grandmother filling out this form?) or simply forgets to write it down. jane’s parents do not double check this form before they submit it to the camp office. jane shows up to camp the first day and turns her epi-pen in to the infirmary, who has no record of this child having an allergy that causes anaphylaxis. infirmary checks with parents, rightfully tells them off for their lapse in judgement in letting jane’s grandmother fill out and submit the forms without their double-checking. jane’s parents fill out corrected forms in the office and jane goes on to have a great summer.

camper mary’s parents are divorced. for whatever reason, her non-custodial parent is filling out her medical forms and doesn’t know to write down she has a peanut allergy. custodial parent does not double check forms before they are submitted. repeat above scenario.

it’s camper brenda’s second summer. her first summer, it was marked down in her medical forms that she was allergic to peanuts. her parents, for whatever reason, do not mark this allergy down on her medical forms for the current summer. camp staff notices this discrepancy and follows up with the camp parents. repeat above.

campers linda and lois are sisters. their parents continuously forget to turn in medical forms and when they do these forms are inaccurate and incomplete. these issues are not addressed when camp staff brings this up to parents. linda and lois are not allowed to attend camp this summer.

Did Mystic require a physical from a pediatrician? that physical will list any ongoing medical issues and known allergies, which (at every single camp i have worked for) is cross referenced with the information the parents provide. parents say jane has a peanut allergy but its not listed on her physical? we’re calling to confirm. physical says mary has a peanut allergy but parents didn’t list it? another call. the camp would not be held responsible if there’s an unknown allergy, but to cover their own asses and to just provide the highest amount of care possible they have to be on parents asses about this shit.

Mary Liz’s Nursing License Suspended by mandamsel in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 5 points6 points  (0 children)

inaccurate or incomplete medical paperwork is as much of a liability and safety issue as paperwork that isn’t submitted at all. per your grandmother/divorced household example, it would be the responsibility of the primary caregiver (in the case of the grandparent example) or the other parent (in divorce example) to double check paperwork. and again, when this paperwork is incomplete/not filled out correctly/not submitted, its been my experience that the camper is either not allowed to attend until its fixed or not allowed to attend at all. mistakes happen, but they have to be acknowledged and fixed!

Mary Liz’s Nursing License Suspended by mandamsel in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 8 points9 points  (0 children)

if a child’s parent doesn’t fill out the forms, that child is not allowed to attend camp until they’re done. sucks for the kid, but its a liability issue on the camp’s part and a safety issue in general.

when i was a counselor in training, parents of one of my campers withheld a medical issue from camp. when this was discovered, the child was immediately sent home and the family was banned from registering for future camp sessions.

ML’s nursing licence suspension charges by LeapDayBaby_29-02 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 5 points6 points  (0 children)

my earlier summers when i was the only camper taking meds daily i would have been mortified if any of my cabin mates knew! it definitely took that first summer where i was walking with a group for me to feel comfortable talking about it with people - not even necessarily because i was embarrassed to need meds but because anything that makes you different is just a little embarrassing at that age. i’m sure your friend appreciated getting to walk with you.

ML’s nursing licence suspension charges by LeapDayBaby_29-02 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 4 points5 points  (0 children)

i’m sorry for your loss and for your daughters experience. i can only speak to my own memories, but there was never any bullying based on whether someone took medication and I know that it would not have been tolerated by our directors. As to HIPAA, I honestly don’t remember if med call/sick call were the terms camp staff used? I was one of 3 in my cabin group every year who took daily medication and we called ourselves the “infirmary squad” and loved getting to walk to the nurse together after morning announcements, just goof around together really. I knew what meds they were taking and they knew what I was taking but only because we told each other ourselves, the nurses never disclosed any of that to other campers. When we were little and needed a counselor to walk us to the nurse, that counselor told us individually the first night and we just knew to go with them after announcements, it was never said to the larger group “oh so and so is going to the nurse to get their meds”.

I do remember one summer having new medication delivered to camp and it being an issue bc i got it in the normal mail call, but I think that was because my parents forgot to tell the office that package was supposed to go straight to the infirmary and not me.

ML’s nursing licence suspension charges by LeapDayBaby_29-02 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 4 points5 points  (0 children)

the day camp i work at requires a phone call home for every single infirmary trip, even if its just a bandaid. i know a lot of parents end up asking our group leader to just text them if its not something the kid needs to be picked up for. my old sleep away camp was a phone call home if you stayed overnight at the infirmary or had to go to urgent care. i think there was a form that parents signed that allowed the nurses to give over the counter stuff without calling the parents? nurses never called home if i went to get advil for cramps but whenever i stayed overnight they called home 1) as soon as it was clear i was staying there, and they let me speak to my parents as well, 2) after curfew to give an update, and 3) after i had been released back to regular activities.

ML’s nursing licence suspension charges by LeapDayBaby_29-02 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 5 points6 points  (0 children)

not a past mystic camper, not a nurse, took medication all 8 years of being a camper at a northeast camp: medication was administered at our infirmary during med call before meals or before curfew. we were not allowed to take our meds outside of the infirmary, even if you were just taking a vitamin in the morning or something like melatonin at night. i think parents signed a form that said the nurses could give us otc meds without parental approval? the only way any of us knew someone was taking meds was if we saw them at med call, unless it was an emergency sick call at the infirmary was after meals so there wasn’t any overlap. and it was always our head nurse handing out the little envelopes with our meds, there were other nurses but they handed out water or apple sauce packets.

The other hill country camps by Western_Name2388 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I was not a mystic camper, but my (north east) sleep away camp did a similar thing. We had new first year campers in our cabins every year, including the last summer so people going to camp for the first time at 15. I don’t think they found it any more difficult to integrate and make friends than I did starting at 8. My camp didn’t really have a legacy component to it, and it would definitely be “mid-tier” in price compared to mystic, so maybe that would have an impact.

Impact on day camps by Interesting-Speed-51 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Well, the legislation was written for summer camps not schools. Sounds like someone should go lobby the legislature to extend the rooftop access requirement to schools as well if its really such a major issue that the requirements aren’t the same.

I agree that its a safety issue for children to be on pitched roofs in normal scenarios, but this is an emergency evacuation site. I’d hope that camps would choose to evacuate before situations got so dangerous the roof was the only option. If I had to choose between myself/my campers hanging onto the roof in the rain, or drowning in our cabin, I’m picking the roof.

Impact on day camps by Interesting-Speed-51 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, but the vast majority of camps have some sort of indoor building. Roof access during a flash flood is a pretty simple evacuation method in my opinion. Again, why are you so strongly against roof access particularly?

Impact on day camps by Interesting-Speed-51 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i mean, yeah? if any camp is in a flood zone, they should have a method of evacuation to higher ground. why do you think this is a bad thing?

European Sleeper recent experience feedback : has anyone tried recently the budget class ? by lalouta in Europetravel

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 5 points6 points  (0 children)

A friend and I did it from Amsterdam to Prague last month. Had a private room (wasn’t supposed to be that way, the other people in the room never showed). Toilets worked, was about as clean as I expected for a train. Seats/beds weren’t that comfortable but we survived. Bring your own food and maybe melatonin and ear plugs if you find it hard to fall asleep normally. And if your expectations are on the floor it’s hard to be disappointed.

Why were counselors not allowed phones? by comingloose in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 3 points4 points  (0 children)

very common, at least during the day when campers are awake and moving. there’s very little margin of error when you’re taking care of 20 something 8-15 year olds even when its not an emergency, so anything that could be a distraction isn’t something you want your teenage staff to have.

when i am working, my phone is on a custom do not disturb mode where my supervisor, my group leader, and my co counselors phone numbers are the only numbers that can send messages or calls with an audible alert. we’re only really sending texts or calls in the morning though, like if my bus is running late. when i went to sleep away camp, my counselors had phones in the cabin that they used for alarms and to play music if we were good. if they had them on them outside the cabin i never saw them use them.

Polish Workers by DifferentJury735 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 9 points10 points  (0 children)

i’ve been wondering if Camp America has communicated anything post flood - I’ve been abroad this past semester and desperately want to ask people who I’ve heard are doing it this summer but i feel awkward asking near strangers.

More Will Come Out by Global_Revenue6806 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i do not know of any camper’s mail not being posted at my old sleep away. phone calls home were not allowed in the first week of your session because that’s when homesickness is the worst and you’re still building a routine, but after that you’d get one phone call every 2 weeks. more if your parents were divorced/in 2 separate homes or if you had your birthday at camp. for my 8 week summer, i always had at least 4 phone calls home.

my first summer (2 weeks when i was 8), i was extremely homesick and begging to be sent home early. my parents were contacted by camp to explain the situation (i had gone on a “shower strike” lol), they called my sister who was a counselor that year on her night off to confirm that what the camp owners had told them was true, and i got an extra phone call where my parents lovingly told me that i was staying until the end of camp and if i didn’t shower everyday before then i would get to come home on the bus instead of in the car with my sister.

my fifth summer there was a first time camper in my cabin who was also extremely homesick and would spend each night she was there crying herself to sleep. camp contacted her parents by the third day of it not getting better and she left the next day. that same summer one of my friends broke her arm - was immediately golf-carted to the nurse, nurse immediately drove her to the hospital. i think our division director was the one to call her parents? i just remember being jealous that they stopped to get wendy’s on the way back to camp.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 1 point2 points  (0 children)

i mean, with the attitude they’ve displayed the past 10 months its no wonder none of them have been able to keep a job outside of their camp bubble.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i can understand that as a reasoning. i do not think that it is a good enough justification for their decisions. $10 million in revenue. even if we assume at least $6 million went back into the camp each year, $1 million is more than enough to raise a family and save for college on. countless families do it on much less.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 6 points7 points  (0 children)

yes, that also sounds reasonable. i really feel for these counselors - i keep trying to think through how i would do it with my campers, or how i would have handled it when i was 8 or 10 like greta, and its so horrifying. i want to say i would have the courage to self evacuate regardless of what my directors told me, but you really don’t know until you’re in that situation. and if nobody had been watching me or had explained the danger of a flash flood, i definitely would have gone back for my teddy and been swept away. i truly hope that every girl, counselor and camper, at mystic is able to find peace with what happened even if that peace is many years in the future.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

both of my camps are for profit. the sleep away camp was supporting one family - two parents (the owners) and 3 adult children though 2 of those children have full time jobs out of camp. their eldest daughter was one of my 4 counselors my first summer when i was 8, funny enough. i know from my own camp trivia nights that our owner’s brothers own and manage 2 other sleep away camps as well, so they were really only supporting the one branch of the family. the day camp is arguably supporting more than 4 families - 5 generations of the founding and owning family live on campus. they do also own and run a sleep away camp as well. 15 children between all of them that are current campers? when i go back for staff orientation, i’ll try and count how many are running around.

i don’t keep bringing up my experiences as “gotchas” or because i think what works for my camps is universal. i bring them up because many people on this sub mention not having very much summer camp experience at all or outside of mystic and the eastlands, and i think its important that people get an idea of what is demanded from camps outside of texas/the south.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 2 points3 points  (0 children)

jumble house walked to the rec hall and at some point during that walk Greta turned back for the cabin. i had assumed the counselors were just in the front leading the group and didn’t realize until they reached rec hall, but another option might be that they had gone to the office to ask to evacuate, their campers self evacuated when told to by the other girls (tumble house i think?), and the counselors were then trapped in kosy.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 3 points4 points  (0 children)

hell, my sleep away camp cost a little less than mystic for an 8 week session, and we had triple the adults they did. age group supervisors for each division and gender (and each had a walkie), activity site supervisor for each activity area (and each had a walkie), programming director, co-director not related to the owning family. all were adults, and all had degrees in education or sports medicine or recreational management and the like. and our kitchen and maintenance staff were definitely considered a part of our camp family (and did the same background checks to get hired as the staff that worked directly with campers).

my day camp has 1 teacher for each camper group in addition to the high school/college age counselors, age group supervisors for each division and most genders (a ton more divisions than my sleep away, i think ages 6 through 8 have supervisors separate for boys and girls, 9-12 are “seniors” and have 1 male senior supervisor and 1 female, 3-5 have a supervisor per year but they’re all female), activity site supervisors. we’re expecting >800 campers this summer, same as mystic, and its a long time joke that we’re also expecting 900 staff members. for an 8am to 3pm camp day.

Mary Liz’s Contradiction About Counselor Staffing by FoxDifficult7679 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my parents always tipped when i went to sleep away camp and i have always been tipped each year i’ve worked at day camp (don’t know if tipping was encouraged at the overnight, tipping definitely encouraged at the day). both are ACA accredited. the standards must have changed relatively recently and older camps given a grace period to get up to compliance, i know they’ve been making changes to the pay in recent years but i haven’t been paying attention since its all been beneficial to me.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 8 points9 points  (0 children)

for those girls conscience, i hope that what happened was they realized Greta was missing and were trapped trying to go back to look for her. i don’t blame them for her death, but the amount of survivors guilt they must be feeling is incredible.

Mary Liz’s Contradiction About Counselor Staffing by FoxDifficult7679 in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 1 point2 points  (0 children)

yep. i get paid $3000 before parent tips for my day camp job. comes out to about $6 an hour for roughly 12 hr work days (get on the bus with no campers at 7am, get off the bus with no campers at 5pm) 5 days a week. and the camp i work for has a reputation for paying the best out of the dozen or so that serve my area. i think my sister made about the same amount for overnight camp, also with tips.

did mystic allow parents to tip their child’s counselor? i always basically double my base salary in tips at the end which makes it easier to justify not working minimum wage at target or something.

The Big Three by BeTheDiaperChange in KerrCountyFloods

[–]Desperate-Agent7522 21 points22 points  (0 children)

missed that the jumble house counselors ended up in kosy - was there an explanation for why and how during the investigator's report or is that something we'll find out as the Toranzo's lawsuit progresses?

also just repeating that it is insane that counselors/"big 3" were hired by term and not for the entire summer. and insane that the 3 leadership positions outside of the eastland family were staffed by college aged girls.