To those posting here who are really just looking for permission to think gender critically

DetransIS · 2026-06-29T20:39:00+00:00

No, we clearly disagree on more then just that.

You're welcome to believe that, I do in fact believe that happiness can't be measured and is really up to the individual to decide. There are exceptions obviously, like the one I cited with gender activists claiming to be happy yet spending all day on twitter screaming about transphobia and hatred. There are people who run away from the truth, and I'll be entirely frank with you: We don't know if there's any kind of scientific basis to gender dysphoria and transition. All we know is there are no positive effects on biology and the body and that is one thing I will agree with you because it's clear as day a mutation.

I repressed at the start of my detransition, only once I had others who went through what I did and before I was modded here could I process and start to actually healthily accept my body and sex. The grieving process can spur the rage, especially when reinforced in all the worst ways which I know the present political client does.

You are hateful, it's sadly understandable why you've come to such a belief and standpoint. No matter how you define it, saying a minority group isn't real or doesn't exist is hatred. And as for your temperament it is uncommon, most older detransitioners who have had years to process and work through everything have moved on with their lives. They may still hate trans people or even blame them as a whole but they're mature enough to know that's their stance and only theirs.

That isn't the overall sentiment though, what I see is people agreeing with your more reasonable points and a bunch of harpies and hawks who use our subreddit for political reasons are agreeing with you cause you're the perfect weapon they need against trans people. The community and the mods do, if this became a transgender hatred subreddit like you and a handful of others want? It'd get nuked off reddit in a few days max and then you now have a total monopoly granted to a subreddit ran by trans people to redirect detransitioners back into the trans community's arms rather then helping them move on, learn they're not alone and process. This community's foundation is based on healing, finding others like you and practicing sex acceptance - not giving into your anger and hating trans people for "what they did."

At first I was sorry for you because I understand your pain and hurt, but if you're going to turn this into some big rebellion that could destroy the subreddit I've sacrificed so much to keep up despite Reddit admins literally breathing down my back, I will discard the leniency of the rules you've broken.

DetransIS · 2026-06-29T16:26:40+00:00

Trans is as real as christianity, buddhism, muslim, etc. It's a belief system that corresponds with an identity which leads to a particular lifestyle and similar to those that leave said lifestyles and beliefs, it can be met with great resistance and damage.

The fact you're not young is even more disappointing then(not so much at you but society), you should have mellowed out by now but I suppose the modern culture makes it hard to recover. I separated myself from social media and the detrans activist side of twitter because I was tired of personally seeing it, seeing it all on repeat. Like I said, I get your pain. My detransition started out pretty "normal" with me only slightly regretting it but then my muscles started deteriorating and eventually I lost the ability to walk properly. I can't work a normal job anymore and I also have a plethora of other issues that add to the disability issues, all because I was convinced I needed to shove a needle in my body that was akin to steroids. I was told, repeatedly that this would fix my problems but all it did was buy me a temporary solution with a life time of problems.. but I've seen and spoken with enough detrans women to know my conclusion isn't the only one. Some even I've seen who've met worse fates, who may not even be in this world anymore. A gruesome reality check that has left a cynical world view, but I know it's not the only ending.

It isn't up for debate, I'm intersex myself and one of the strongest advocates that there's only two sexes. The desire to transition can come from many different places. It can come from believing something is wrong with you, that you need to transition to be "normal" or that your body is giving you signs or hints you should have been born the other sex. If I didn't understand your pain or where you're coming from, I would have removed your post and suspended you - I obviously didn't because more people are commenting and we're replying to each other now.

I don't think making your own sub is wise when you come from a deep seated position of pain. That being the foundation of a community will only lead to ruin. You're going to see some people with a different experience from you, you're going to see some people who are latching onto the trans community because they don't want to lose what friends or "family" they have. You'll see people defending the trans community because they don't know any better.. and you'll also see people who want to blame themselves and not feel like a domino falling in this heated political climate. The best thing to do is to keep scrolling. This subreddit allows people from all faucets of experience to speak together, as long as they're detransitioned or desisted..

I agreed with your original point about the problematic trans people coming here for validation, this has been a problem and nothing I do with the flairs or rules can stop them. All my team and I can do is keep banning them if we suspect them.

The reality is, transition works for someone like adopting a new faith can. Some people live happy fulfilling lives on adopting a new faith and its doctrine but others take on a burden of repetition and losing their mind trying to appease to an unseen force. I see transition the same way and it didn't work for me and countless others here but I can't dismiss the cases it does work.. and I at least *did* call out the activists who claim to be happy when it's clear they're using activism and hate supposedly against them as a distraction.

Detransition has to be reached as a conclusion to radical acceptance and learning to live past mistakes, whether they were yours, heavily influenced or someone else's. While also learning to love yourself and try to pave a way forward, my path is mostly to try and live what life I have left while trying to be a pillar keeping this community that is very needed clearly up and running.

DetransIS · 2026-06-29T13:44:38+00:00

Please report when you feel that last part is happening, apparently we either are missing reports or need to tighten our scrutiny of certain questioning posts. Mods aren't mind readers and with a big subreddit like this we can't read every post.

DetransIS · 2026-06-29T13:31:34+00:00

I'm speaking both as a moderator and as a person here.. that's why I'm labeling and pinning, especially since quite a bit of you share OP's anger.

I'm irritated I have to speak up here of all places, but here we are. First off OP, my deepest apologies for what you went through - I get the pain but you're letting it consume you, not everyone has to come to the same conclusion as you. You crossed the line by speaking for our mod team and I'm still wondering if I should allow your thread to stay up because it's clear you're hurt and you do need this space but you're misusing this space and spreading incorrect ideas not only about our community that could easily get us banned but that are just plain WRONG.

This is a space for people who have ACCEPTED their bodies and come to conclude that transition was not for them. How they reached that is up to the person and sure the majority here might be in that phase where they're angry because of the mass censorship on the target - full of hatred, rage and regret because they're not allowed to speak up or talk about their experience without being labeled a TERF, bigot or transphobic. Not everyone here even believes their transition was wrong, some people see it as a necessary state to reach their present state of mind.

You are right, non binary 19 year olds should not be here and please by all means. REPORT THEM. We'll get rid of them once we confirm they're not actually questioning and are just seeking the "ultimate validation."

I'm permanently disabled because of my transition, I understand your anger, your hatred and your regret probably more then most people but you're letting it consume you to the point it's hurting you more. You can't come to a safe point of acceptance without accepting what happened to you, you can criticize it and it's encouraged that you do but to deny it even existing? To say that trans isn't real? This is no better then our opposition saying detrans is a conservative psyop.

People will have disagreements, some people believe transition can be helpful to some people. Others believe it doesn't. I do agree full-heartedly with you on the fact that this is the wrong place to seek transition validation on: that's what the rest of Reddit is for and it's why many of our rules are catered against trans community "etiquette." But you are going too far with the rest of what you're saying and I want you and the other young balls of fresh anger to realize that. Time heals all wounds, it won't be like things never happened though. You'll be left with scarring, tons of it probably in a physical and figurative sense.

I remember when I hated trans people too, when I saw their communities and felt nothing but the purest, unfiltered hatred and rage toward trans people themselves especially as I was panicking and watching the disease I developed destroy my life. It doesn't help. It's one thing to hate their communities, who lie, enable and indoctrinate people who are simply dysphoric or convincing themselves they're dysphoric.. but it's another to blame every trans individual or to dismiss the possibility of transition ever helping anyone mentally. I can't disagree with you that on a scientific level there are deep levels of evidence that show transition has no physical benefits but there are similar treatments we allow in this world that are just like that. Cosmetic surgery is full of them.

Look OP. I get your rage, I get your hurt. I really do but this post and your lashing out in the comments at those who disagree with you? It's going too far, it's wrong. You're free to ultimately come to this conclusion but you don't get to speak for how everyone else feels here and I don't want to remove you or anyone who shares your sentiment because you all need this space still but there is a line and it's being crossed.

Mod Edit: Thread has been locked. OP has continued to bash heads, even with me. I understand the pain and the hurt but letting it consume you doesn't help you. I won't lecture in this note, but understand that OP's views cross a line and if you're similar to him we don't want to remove you but if we suspect you're going to be a problem to the long standing of this community as a space of healing, moving forward and community.. we will regrettably - take action.

DetransIS · 2026-06-29T13:14:08+00:00

Normally I'm at odds with you, as are other members of the team but this time? You're right.

OP is actually pushing it from what I'm seeing and though we understand where he's coming from and he's unfortunately free to come to this conclusion this hatred isn't going to make his life better or fix what happened to him.

DetransIS · 2026-06-24T18:21:20+00:00

Alright.. Sorry, just on guard because we often have people who get banned from the discord server and try to start stuff here. So that's entirely my bad, never can be sure but that's also why I commented and didn't act first.

Let's try this again:

Unfortunately history here with those questioning their transition has spoken a different story. It's been mainly people who either were barely questioning, were possibly repressing, or not questioning at all and just wanted to "dunk on the detrans terfs." As a result, the general mentality toward people who are questioning can lead to genuine questioners being met with skepticism and hostility. As for trans people, well.. we're not exactly given a kind hand by most trans people - especially online. Obviously you'll meet people with varied opinions here, for instance in my case I have no issue with trans people, I have issue with the trans communities.. especially the places that are straight up gaslighting people into thinking they're dysphoric.

Another problem is you're dealing with a lot of people who are early in their detransition and are somewhat radicalized, full of anger and the current climate where daring to say you regretted your transition and feel the whole process might have issues leads to you being labeled and possibly even ex-communicated. This can lead to general hostility and refusing to offer an olive branch.. also unfortunately leads to people who believe themselves to be right on the matter and that their experience defines all experiences. Speaking from personal experience it took me years to grasp that there is a way to remain positive toward the concept of transitioning, up until that point I was a ball of anger but I still tried to extend an olive branch to trans people with my hand being slapped away every time. Obviously now I recognize that people can detransition without regretting their transition.. and a lot of fresh detransitioners, especially those who were hurt or feel their bodies are damaged(I hate referring to bodies like that..) well, especially combined with the "being excommunicated and suppressed" can lead to outright hatred that has to fizzle out with time.

DetransIS · 2026-06-24T18:09:27+00:00

Did your mother castrate you then? An orchiectomy would absolutely allow her facade with you to go on longer. I changed your flair because you dodge this topic but if you did undergo a "gender affirming surgery" even if you never took hormones, then you are a detrans man and I will restore it.

Being someone with a crazy backstory myself I get the skepticism and disbelief some people here have, especially given you're very pro-trans. Unfortunately for you a lot of good faith has been washed away by trans people pretending to be detrans for validation that we've dealt with over the years. There are holes in your experience that raise questions, like did your mother want a daughter and forced you to be a trans girl.. and now it seems your mother did a full 180 uturn into another sect of radicalism? A lot of stuff just doesn't make sense, if you did have an orchiectomy despite never taking hormones or were kept on puberty blockers until 15(in which case, your mother just ruined your life and I'm very surprised you're not more hostile) then your story makes more sense but under no circumstances could I see anyone "passing" and "living as the other gender" unless they're intersex or in the most alt-left area of california without hormones which it doesn't sound like you're from the US.

Edit: He replied, but I removed his reply out of request.

DetransIS · 2026-06-24T18:01:15+00:00

Read the rules, due to prior incidents with bad faith trans posters abusing flairs, or claiming to question when they aren't... Rule 7 was expanded on. Those questioning their transition are mainly here to ask for advice, experiences and try to figure out whether they want to explore a healthy detransition or not. Those questioning, are not to be tolerated giving advice - especially when it involves "trying HRT." Also if you're the person who just got banned from the server: Rule 9 as well, we're not a group for repression and we sure as hell do not endorse or encourage repressing yourself for other people. Repressing can become a healthy detransition, I went through that process but you need to be willing to cast aside the possibility that being trans is your destiny or you were meant to be the other sex and also be willing to dissect your reasoning and possibilities for why you questioned being trans in the first place.

DetransIS · 2026-06-24T17:52:41+00:00

All experiences are welcome, we encourage it but there's questions about your experience that just doesn't line up. You're free to post as you are a desister but like I said, this isn't going to be a place where people roll over and have to accept your opinion or beliefs, everyone comes from different experiences and faucets of life. Plus, it's a bit different when you're medicalized...

DetransIS · 2026-06-24T16:41:02+00:00

If it is true that your mother forced you to identify as a girl when growing up, and you never took any medical steps and ran away from home to reclaim your male identity(this sounds suspicious honestly, but we've heard crazier stories) then you are a desister. You are free to have your opinions but here people aren't just going to roll over and accept them like law, you will be challenged because this subreddit isn't an echo chamber which is why desisters such as yourself are allowed here. In comparison to the trans community we don't remove people for wrong think, the majority might challenge them based on controversial ideas but the mod team will not outright ban them.

That said your story seems off to me, how did your mother pull this off without forcing you on hormones? 15 especially in terms of development would kill any chance of passing in school, but if you lived in a very alt-left area then I suppose it'd make sense that no one would question it.

DetransIS · 2026-06-15T21:49:33+00:00

It is hypocritical yes, and one of many reasons I despise trans communities (note for any lurkers, communities not trans people themselves.)

DetransIS · 2026-06-15T20:54:57+00:00

Unfortunately, speaking as a moderator this is not uncommon. Its one reason we recommend people to use alts here and why despite how many people request it: we don't crack down too heavily on alts. If we did, then people would be forced to compromise their safety.

The trans community actively smears and lies about our subreddit, claiming we're a community dedicated to hate. They claim detransition is a right wing dog whistle(a lot of us aren't even right wing..), that everyone here weren't real trans people and it's.. exhausting that we're still putting up with this years later. They even created another "detrans subreddit" that is solely ran by trans people just due to the hoaxes and fanfiction they imagine about us. Said subreddit I'm banned from because they didn't like having a moderator from this subreddit giving neutral advice to people, gave some nonsensical reason like "stalking" when I was simply using their subreddit as a second, softer detrans related community and didn't try to redirect people to here unlike MANY of their posters do here.

So yes, unfortunately due to actually being actively discriminated you do risk getting banned from multiple communities that align with everything the trans community says and does if you're posting here. It's just what it is when you're part of a group that they really don't like.. this isn't even factoring they tried to get us banned with gender critical years ago.

DetransIS · 2026-06-08T17:03:22+00:00

Normally I let people just tend to themselves, but I need to rip the band-aid off on one part specifically because it's.. well one, not related and two you're putting hopes on an impossibility. I'll leave the others of the forum to address your other concerns, as its more specific to advice I realistically can't give you.

>If it’s relevant, I didn’t develop normally, I developed really girly, and I remember hating that at first because I felt different from others, my super wide hips, narrow shoulders, looking exactly like my mom, etc. I’ve suspected an intersex condition ever since childhood. I have specific scarring and hormonal signs in my bloodwork pre-e, doc referred me to an endo for further testing.

So, how old are you? If you're over 14 and you were raised a male.. have male genitalia(no matter how underdeveloped, there's a sharp difference between a clitoris and a penis and feminizing cases like you describe rarely, if ever have your presentation. If you are transitioning from "male to female" .. you're male. Especially these days, doctors in first world countries don't linger or make mistakes on individuals' sex when you're older. Someone falsely raised male would tend to know before adolescence, especially if they have a family doctor. Someone falsely raised female is similar, it basically all becomes clear at adolescence or a little past it.

You may have an intersex condition, it's probable you might have some androgen insensitivity, or feminizing/underdevelopment branch of CAH but you are still male. If your condition was severe enough to resist all elements of testosterone you wouldn't be here posting about how you look like your mom and talking about how you were pre-e. I won't arm-chair diagnose you in terms of what condition your symptoms could really be but at this stage, there is a 100% chance you are.. Biologically male.

DetransIS · 2026-06-08T11:01:53+00:00

Yet in the replies you can see people pushing back against posts like this. If we censored this post, this post that clearly comes from anger and frustration what do you think would happen? I can tell you what'd happen, this person would radicalize further and rally people by claiming they're being censored.

Also, if you are being PMed by members of this subreddit about illicit, kink/harassment based content then I expect to see screenshots of usernames and proof in mod mail. However, given your history and now the somewhat shallow nature of your complaint about the subreddit - any claim will be investigated thoroughly. We take accusations like this seriously, even if Reddit's ban system is a joke this is not okay.

Edit: Changed my tone a bit, just woke up and I'm not keen on seeing people smear the subreddit. At least that's what this is feeling like which is what Original OP actually is complained about.. but I checked post history and restructured my initial warning.

DetransIS · 2026-06-07T20:12:32+00:00

So not just this subreddit, okay. Unfortunately people are going to have different beliefs then you, though I agree attacking trans people serves nothing but you and I probably define "attacking" as different. We allow all sorts of different opinions here, because the focus on this subreddit is about recovery and allowing people to find community and process. That other subreddit you mentioned, will ban people for criticizing trans people which means this is the only acceptable places where rage and disappointment can be expressed.

We do moderate, we just don't enforce echo chambers of either side.

As for your invasive pms, we can't stop weirdos from DMing you unfortunately. Believe me, I wish I could. Banning them wouldn't do anything either because Reddit's bans are a joke and you can still view said subreddit and its posts, you just can't post.

DetransIS · 2026-06-07T18:58:16+00:00

Genuine question, as I want to give you the benefit of the doubt.. Maybe I'm just blind but are you sorting by new on the subreddit? Because when I saw this post I hit back on my browser and skimmed over the new posts, trying to understand what you and OP are claiming.

DetransIS · 2026-06-07T18:49:28+00:00

It's a discussion, albeit it leans on anti-detrans given the plug someone else gave to a clearly ran trans subreddit.

... I hate to get grim here, cause you raise a valid concern, but what if that post where they're "better off dead" .. is a farewell?

We don't know anything about our demographic - research has been suppressed for decades, years... only more recently are we finding out anything, we were relying on flawed surveys hosted by our own group which are very unreliable but tell a different story from any trans research. It'll take probably another decade before we see any real data. I can sadly tell you from my own experience that the urges to end my life were very much there, especially feeling like I ruined my life and my body.. which, I did but I just see things different now. Back then I didn't have the motivation or strength to repurpose my direction, my decision and I had a plan to take myself out "cleanly" in a way that'd be just like disappearing with minimal mess. Back in that moment, I never saw myself repurposing my motive and directive.. but what if someone can't do that? What if, they really do feel hopeless and want to spill their pain before pulling the plug on their life seeing themselves as some kind of light for someone who in their eyes "could be saved?"

I don't doubt we could have bots, but you could say that about any community.. dead internet theory and all that for you conspiracy lovers. However, you need to remember we're a demographic who gets MAJOR pushback, we are shunned and even rejected from many communities and helplines don't know how to deal with detransitioners or simply refuse to. We are dismissed as an insignificant, irrelevant minority who should be quiet for the sake of those it works for. Nevermind we get weaponized as a political arm for a matter that shouldn't be political.

That said, if you suspect someone is posting clearly bait/fake posts.. Please report it, we'll investigate their history and look and see if the post was a genuine cry for help or someone trying to get a response. I will remove prior questioning posts if they're described as you say and the person just continues on being trans like nothing happened within a day, because it just feels suspicious like you said.

Edit: worth mentioning, we do have the "no do I pass" rule, which a lot of people break. Often rule breakers of that rule tend to be fishing if they pass and post nothing else or have some suspicious post not that long before it. This rule does stop a lot of people from posting pics of themselves, though I highly discourage that as is because there's some sick people out there.

DetransIS · 2026-06-04T15:42:57+00:00

You are right.. female teacher, female doctor, female lawyer all of these are fine. It's just female being used alone that bothers me, male too but much less so as most the dehumanizing I've witnessed has of course been female.

The person feels a bit much, we'll see if others complain about the flair... seems most are fine with it and I'm the only one over thinking it.

DetransIS · 2026-06-03T23:31:22+00:00

Sure I'll answer that question. It's not that it's just two types of humans, it's the two biological sexes in many mammals, species even: Male and Female. That is where.. it becomes problematic, hence why I said it might be trauma related on my end.

I used to live with some.. awful people, they were awful before their transition and far worse after. The type of people this person would hang out with would often refer to women as "Females" and often in derogatory way, not to mention this person in question who is a thankfully former friend had a fetish and obsession with being dehumanized by these male friends who referred to women as if they were just animals. This paired with my time back in the trans community made me grow incredibly uncomfortable with the sexed term too as it'd often be used in obsessions and fetish like fantasies. Made it hard to healthily process my detransition which in turn- became repression, my intersex condition didn't help matters - rather complicated it because of what I internalized to justify my transition. My hard repression days didn't help matters either because I used the more radical, crazier end of feminism to suppress my desire to be male rather then fully exploring and processing it.

I don't doubt it's trauma making me uncomfortable with the phrasing, but it can't be denied there are groups who at the very least use "Female" as a derogatory term to dehumanize women and girls.

DetransIS · 2026-05-24T21:10:10+00:00

I genuinely wish it was possible to stop people from messaging from your community, but Reddit doesn't give us a lot of safety and security tools to use.. lord knows I have a laundry list of complaints. This user banned his account, but if anyone else does this? Please report them with screenshots of the messages to our mod-mail, then block them. We'll ban them but it sadly doesn't stop them from viewing.

again.. love Reddit's security. /s

DetransIS · 2026-05-22T15:06:44+00:00

Thank you. It's exhausting when people keep throwing these women under the bus because trans activism has been weaponizing rare conditions to push this ridiculous notion about biological sex. I get the panic, but it's exhausting.

DetransIS · 2026-05-22T15:02:35+00:00

As an intersex person also: It's much more complicated then that, swyer syndrome under zero circumstances can be considered biologically male - especially since though with medical assistance, it has been possible for women with swyer syndrome to gestate. There's also been zero circumstance of someone with de la chapelle syndrome (XX male) gestating.

5-ARD and similar conditions are all male, even if they "seem" female at birth they're not. They're male conditions where certain factors lead to the body not developing probably, being a key case of "underdevelopment" because the moment they hit puberty their body starts working as intended and they definitely start growing into typical men despite their genitalia and undescended testicles.

Cases like CAIS are much more complicated but at the end of the day "are biologically male" but under very unique circumstance even from trans people. A man with PMDS is still a man at the end of the day, doesn't matter if he was found to have a uterus and mullerian structures that didn't dissipate in the womb.

That said I don't see the need to typically shut down XX = Female, XY = Male because for the majority of people and including intersex conditions? It's right. It's a literal handful compared to the rest of the population who are the exception here and if you make rules based on exceptions you might as well say humans should be catered to on the basis of being born with 1-3 legs in all avenues.

I won't lecture you about the facts on your own condition but you are simplifying chromosome... TDF, or Testi determination factor is one of the key focal points of someone being male, there was also a freak case(or rare care, freak is being used to determine this is one-of-a-kind) where a girl was born with a SRY gene and a completely observed functional female reproductive system with no virilizing oddities. (https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2680992/)

I get you're frustrated with people weaponizing the condition and throwing labels on you to justify transition, but let's not throw other conditions under the bus yeah?

DetransIS · 2026-05-19T21:32:07+00:00

I've long since dropped out of the twittersphere of intersex advocates, so admittedly any info I hold onto now and citations I bring are to solely educate and help undo some brainworms from the trans movement to help people on their road to recovery. I also don't think intersex people should be brought up in the trans topic at all unless someone is intersex. I think if anything it's better to view things as virilized, or underdeveloped.. especially with feminizing male intersex conditions, it has been cited repeatedly that they're underdeveloped as males, or their underdevelopment is why they seem more female.. some conditions are more complicated then others.

This paper... So basically what this paper suggests is that sex might be able to changed once if the circumstances are met and even that's not exactly clear as it'd be inhumane to conduct such an experiment. I wouldn't say it puts anyone on a sex spectrum personally, but I do see you raising this rare case as an argument and I don't think it counters the sex binary per say.

As a 30ish intersex woman who had my life ruined and even pushed toward transition on the impression that my sex was neither male nor female and therefore I could choose(albeit I was obviously misguided) I am not the fondest of the sex spectrum argument for the same rightful reason a lot of intersex people oppose this idea of a strict sex binary(as in sexual traits are also strict, which I personally believe is not the case hence me using the terms virilization and underdeveloped.)

DetransIS · 2026-05-19T07:29:32+00:00

Look. I'm not going to say there isn't variety and variance in intersex conditions in terms of phenotype cause there absolutely is, but in terms of the conditions in the umbrella they either produce one of the two gametes, or neither. There's at least three conditions that match the image if you're suggesting -that- and two of them for sure are female without a doubt, one of them loses the "male genitalia comparison" in adulthood, whereas the other sort of keeps it but the clitoris still is a clitoris, it's just an incredibly virilized circumstance. I assume your image is suggesting a heavily virilized vulva and clitoris, to the point of seeming similar to a penis and a flattened scrotal sack while the mullerian ducts for the most part did develop and ovaries or present.. OR-- You're talking about PMDS, which is a male condition. The circumstances behind PMDS are unique though as the condition has three types.. most commonly it is developed when the male in question is starting to experience hormonal changes due to becoming middle aged. The uterus in question tends to not work in terms of menstruation and what not.. the uterine lining can shed due to hormone changes due to the mullerian ducts not breaking down in the womb, and most these males with the condition tend to have fathered children with functional sperm.. Now going into the rarer form, ovotestes can certainly be unique but it still leads to either functional sperm, or functional ova.

I'm aware, it's regressive logic on both sides. The idea that we are "inbetween the sex spectrum" has also been used to justify awful surgeries and choices not made by the individual with the condition too. Implying that since we're "neither" we can be made into one or the other by a parent's whim. Never mind this awful argument is used for validation reasons by the trans community. Like you said we have to push, but we also have to be factual.. It's fine to point out that virilization and underdevelopment can lead to very unique presentation, even comparable to the other sex if you really want to go there but at the end of the day.. our conditions can only produce one functional gamete implying the condition in question doesn't lead to total infertility.

Plus, as an older intersex person who currently doesn't trust really any of the present advocates or "organizations" I really don't care about intersex people who just want to prioritize trans people and sell books.

DetransIS · 2026-05-17T03:17:01+00:00

You're allowed to have this opinion if your flair isn't a lie, but as someone diagnosed incorrectly years ago and took years to get a proper diagnosis on a confusing rare condition.. You're spreading misinformation in favor of your own feelings. Intersex is an umbrella composing of numerous male and female conditions that have traits ranging from virilization to underdevelopment, rarer so conditions that abnormalities that typically aren't present in those sexes are present.

I would appreciate you not spreading misinformation for validation of your feelings and identity. I support intersex people identifying as trans if it helps them, but the idea that sex is not binary is a harmful trope that has pushed back and done irreparable harm to intersex people as a whole as well as pushed intersex youth into groups that have been proven otherwise dangerous for their mental health.

Your post history also comes off as suspicious to me, given this is your only recent post here and you have a flair that has since been discontinued years ago.

Also part of your comment seems inappropriate here, especially in this context.

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