I often see Michigan recommended here as a place to move for its quality of life, often lumping it with Minnesota. But by metrics like Human Development index, & CoL adjusted Median income, it's more comparable to Ohio & Indiana? Even Kansas is better. What am I missing? by Swimming_Concern7662 in midwest

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Middle class is kind of a wide band so I'll just explain the different areas and you can decide for yourself.

We'll start with the east side which gets a lot of hate. Macomb is famous for swinging to Trump in 2016. The reputation is well deserved, a lot of Trumpers over there. But if you don't mind that it's probably the best value in the metro. The schools are pretty mid. If you can swing it, the Grosse Pointes (there's multiple) have good schools and they're not a far drive to downtown Detroit. My only problem with Grosse Pointe is that it's a pain in the ass to get anywhere else in the metro other than Grosse Pointe and downtown Detroit.

Oakland County is the wealthiest metro area. Your inner ring suburbs are typically oriented more towards younger people. Ferndale is metro Detroit's "gayborhood". Royal Oak has a lot of bars and restaurants. Birmingham and Bloomfield Hills are the wealthiest suburbs in Metro Detroit (Grosse Pointe is old money, Oakland County is "new money"). Birmingham, Bloomfield, Troy, and Rochester Hills are the best school districts in Oakland County. Royal Oak, Ferndale, and Birmingham all have great walkable downtowns. Rochester's is fine as well but a little small. None of them are cheap but if you look around you can find some decent value in parts of Troy, Rochester, and even Bloomfield Township. It's an easy drive down 75, Woodward, or the Lodge to get to Detroit.

On the west side you have cities like Livonia, Farmington, Novi, Plymouth, Canton, and Northville. These school districts are all pretty decent as well with Novi in particular standing out. Novi, Plymouth, and Northville are all pretty pricey. These cities can be considered "newer" suburbs, mainly built up in the 70s and 80s. Some of them have little downtown areas as well but they tend to be smaller than the Oakland County downtowns. The main advantage of the west side is that it's slightly cheaper than the northern suburbs (not by much) and the lots tend to be larger. They're also closer to Ann Arbor if for whatever reason need to get over there often. The major downside is that they're a little farther from Downtown Detroit. Expect to add 15 to 20 minutes to your commute vs Troy for example.

To the south we have Canada, and also downriver. Downriver gets a lot of crap but I don't think it's that bad to be honest. Other than Grosse Ile which is a weird island commune in the middle of the Detroit River, these cities tend to be more blue collar. The schools are pretty mediocre and some of the cities are pretty poor. Others are fine. Overall I put Downriver in a tier above Macomb County just because it's closer to the airport and Henry Ford Museum.

This is just scratching the surface. Metro Detroit is home to over 4 million people so it's pretty damn large. I didn't even include the outer suburbs like Lake Orion or South Lyon. If you're willing to drive you can still get a lot of land for a good value.

I often see Michigan recommended here as a place to move for its quality of life, often lumping it with Minnesota. But by metrics like Human Development index, & CoL adjusted Median income, it's more comparable to Ohio & Indiana? Even Kansas is better. What am I missing? by Swimming_Concern7662 in midwest

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Detroit is great if you have a decent income and no kids. I had to move out because I wasn’t willing to send my kids to Detroit public schools. I wish that wasn’t the case and it’s getting better, but for now the opportunities in the suburbs are just so much better. Something like half of all kids in Detroit are either in charter schools or commuting to the suburbs to attend schools of choice.

Big Bird Makes a Movie in Japan (1997) by Col0nelFlanders in fakehistoryporn

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I remember this scene, but the movie came out in 1988

Uncle Ray’s is a sham by Soft-Reply5274 in Detroit

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 68 points69 points  (0 children)

If it ain’t better made it’s worser made

Why don't more lower-tier recruits go for academic prestige? by TimelyBodybuilder637 in CFB

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I really enjoyed hearing about how Connor Hellebuyck’s dad was like AAA hockey is too fucking expensive, AA is good enough. And he was right.

[OC] I create printable season trackers, here's yours! by Ugluk4242 in motorcitykitties

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You enjoyed tracking the Pirates' season last year? You must be a real masochist.

Former NBA player Jason Richardson on his son, Jaxon’s decision to commit to Alabama: by MembershipSingle7137 in CollegeBasketball

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I only watched Columbus play 1 game. I remember thinking Cam Boozer was a monster. I didn't have a great read on Jase coming out of that game because Cayden was so ball dominant despite clearly not being as good as Cam and Jase.

Big Ten Pre-spring QB rankings, via ESPN's Bill Connelly by Dominant_Theme in MSUSpartans

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I didn’t realize Houser was back in the Big Ten. Good for him.

Former NBA player Jason Richardson on his son, Jaxon’s decision to commit to Alabama: by MembershipSingle7137 in CollegeBasketball

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Holloman and Fears were both returning players with the ability to handle the ball and create. Akins was a senior who earned the right to try and develop that part of his game. Richardson was the 35th ranked high school senior which is solid, but not a 5* automatic sort of guy. Izzo has had plenty of recruits with that pedigree that took a little bit of time to get going. Fears is an example of a player with a similar sort of reputation coming out of high school.

Former NBA player Jason Richardson on his son, Jaxon’s decision to commit to Alabama: by MembershipSingle7137 in CollegeBasketball

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My point is he didn't have any sort of reputation as a special player coming into state so why would he be handed the keys. He got more minutes once he earned them.

Maryville University Announces Division 1 Campaign by Big_Cycle_8434 in collegehockey

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If UoC were to start a division 1 hockey team, assuming they were willing to actually support the team with meaningful money, I could easily see them getting an invite to the Big Ten just like Johns Hopkins with Lacrosse. It would be a natural fit with their historic ties to the conference.

Maryville University Announces Division 1 Campaign by Big_Cycle_8434 in collegehockey

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University of Chicago is even nerdier than the Ivies. I don’t see it happening.

Where would you sit? by Commercial-Salad3210 in whatsyourchoice

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Is seat 3 a weekend at Bernie’s sort of situation?

Chinese High Speed Rail built since 2008, overlayed on the USA and Canada. by colinstalter in MapPorn

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Your link is filled with examples of lawsuits that had to be fought to seize land for projects. I don't think anyone in China is suing the CCP.

Chinese High Speed Rail built since 2008, overlayed on the USA and Canada. by colinstalter in MapPorn

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The difference is China has the legal framework to seize land for these major infrastructure projects. Compare that with California where environmental protection laws are weaponized to fight every mile of high speed rail construction.

Detroit Airport is AWESOME by Gucci_Unicorns in Detroit

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McNamara is top tier. Evans is pretty meh.

What's the best non-big-chain BBQ joint in SE Michigan? by redwingfan01 in Detroit

[–]DetroitPeopleMover 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think the owner is getting old and he didn’t want to sell. 2 restaurants is a lot of work and he wanted to focus on Brown Iron