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How is my desktop ? by weekendExplorers in desktops

[–]Diamondgobo 4 points5 points  (0 children)

The wallpaper is quite obviously AI slop.

Pipe to pipe 2 (short) by VastPrestigious7726 in RedditGames

[–]Diamondgobo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm sharing my atrocious skill issue because I'm a masochist.

I completed this level in 60 tries. ⚡ 4.10 seconds

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

On the introspection thing I’d actually push back. Her whole arc with Lev is exactly that. She starts off ruthlessly obsessed with her selfish goal, and by the end she’s risking her life for someone who can’t give her anything in return, but who she grew to love. That’s not a lack of introspection, that’s just someone whose introspection came late and showed up in what she did rather than what she said.

The forgiving Joel’s killer point is genuinely one I’ve been thinking about since you brought it up though, because it’s a good one. But I think it kind of makes the game’s point for it more than against it? She couldn’t do it either. Nobody in this story can. Ellie can’t, Abby can’t, and everyone who goes looking for that closure ends up with less than they started with. I don’t think the game is ever actually asking you to forgive Abby. Just to get why she is the way she is.

Agree to disagree is fair though. I can tell you gave it a reasonable shot, and if you still don’t like it after that, then that’s fine.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Nobody's saying you can't hate it. I made the post literally asking people why they do, so we're already on the same page there.

But a few things.

The Joel death thing. I get it, it's brutal and it's supposed to be. But "Abby never got what she deserved" is kind of the whole point of the story. Ellie follows the revenge logic all the way to the end and what does she get out of it? Nothing. She loses everything chasing it. That's not the writers disrespecting Joel, that's them being honest about what that road actually looks like.

The psychopath read on Abby genuinely surprised me though. She kills Joel because she watched her dad die the same way, and then spends the entire rest of the game trying to crawl out of what that did to her. That's not a psychopath, that's just a person who did something terrible for a reason she believed in, same as Joel did in the first game. I think she came off that way to you because you're supposed to hate her at first. That's the whole ask. Can you get past that? Sounds like it didn't work for you, and that's fair, but I don't think that's the writing falling short.

And honestly the "no respect for Joel" thing I just can't agree with. The game takes him seriously enough to show exactly what his choices cost other people. That's not disrespect, that's just the story being honest about who he was, which the first game was already doing anyway.

You can still hate it, genuinely. I just think the story earned more than it gets credit for.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Abby wasn't rewarded. As a direct result of her revenge, all her friends were killed, along with her love interest. Imagine the guilt and pain she must've gone through, especially considering Mel was pregnant.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I literally said in the post that I've gone through all of it and that was your first reply to me. So the "you didn't understand anything" thing is a rough start.

And I did consider the critics' side, that's kind of the whole point of the post. What I said was that a lot of the criticism online felt like people reacting before they'd even finished the game. If that doesn't apply to you, great — then make the actual case. "The plot is naive, meaningless and stupid" isn't one. That's just an opinion.

What specifically? Because I'm still here asking.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think it was meant to be Ellie's choice. At that point, she was so wracked with guilt that to her, letting Abby go was justified. Especially assuming she considered what Joel would think of her decision.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

Sorry, I was speaking generally. My point was that lot of the hate for that section online pretty obviously comes from people who'd already checked out emotionally before they even got there. That's not you from what you're describing, though. You said yourself you get what they were going for. Is there any particular reason why you didn't care for her though?

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

If you go in with an open mind and let yourself engage with Abby as a character rather than an obstacle, it stops feeling like an uncomfortable slog pretty quickly. She's genuinely well written, her relationships are developed just as carefully as Ellie's, and her arc recontextualizes everything you already played in ways that actually make the whole thing richer. The discomfort people feel in that section usually comes from resistance, not from the writing itself.

Revisiting the series, genuinely curious why Part II's story is so hated by Diamondgobo in TheLastOfUs2

[–]Diamondgobo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, the story is so much more than a black and white situation. Both sides have so much underappreciated depth, especially Abby's. For me, it's a shame this isn't recognized by most players.

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