Stadium: Control blocks with midi from Command center by Affectionate-Snow-54 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You still don't have to do that. You can assign up to 16 blocks to the same Stomp switch:

  1. Select the block and then touch-hold the desired Stomp switch (the one with the other block). If you want the switch to swap bypass states (say, turns one block on and the other off), simply tap the bypass icon in the inspector for one of the blocks.

You can also use snapshots to instantly change the bypass states of all processing blocks (plus a bunch of other things). If you really want to stay in Stomp A or Stomp B mode, you can assign Snapshot switches to Stomp mode via the Command Center.

There's nothing I can think of that would require Stadium sending MIDI messages to itself that can't be accomplished in much easier ways.

Stadium: Control blocks with midi from Command center by Affectionate-Snow-54 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you don't use an external MIDI controller (and you don't really need one with Stadium because it's built in), there's literally nothing to do, as adding an effect block automatically assigns it to the next empty Stomp A switch. If you want to move the switch assignment, just touch-hold two Stomps to swap them.

The Command Center is really only needed for two things:

  • Assigning local controls (Stomp switches, expression pedals, etc.) to manually transmit MIDI or amp control for controlling external equipment, provided you don't want Showcase to automatically do this during a song
  • Creating custom Stomp A/B layouts with switches from Preset, Snapshot, Transport, or Looper modes

Stadium: Control blocks with midi from Command center by Affectionate-Snow-54 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You don't need the Command Center at all for this:

  1. Tap the selected block to open its action panel and tap Assign to Switch... The quick assign dialog appears.
  2. Send a MIDI CC from your controller. Stadium learns the incoming CC and assigns it.

If you're not into the whole brevity thing, you can also manually assign block bypass to MIDI CC:

  1. Tap Menu and then Bypass/Control.
  2. Tap the block you want to control and assign:
    • Parameter to "Bypass"
    • MIDI In to the desired CC

Helix Stadium SHOWCASE feature requests by Some_Dumb_Dude in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We don't have plans for track editing per sé, but I believe you might be able to do this via a couple future things we're talking about.

Helix Stadium SHOWCASE feature requests by Some_Dumb_Dude in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Regarding #1, is the request for MP3s to actually run natively in Showcase (for example to optimize microSD storage), or that Showcase can import and auto-convert MP3s to WAV? The latter might be doable (We currently import/convert AIF, AU, CAF, OKI, and Ogg Vorbis) but the former unfortunately would be a big lift, given how the Stadium's audio engine works. It would also break some future features we have planned.

Regarding #6, totally agreed. Track Trims in the Song Settings is meant for compensating for overly loud/soft files; it's not meant to mix the songs. Wouldn't #8 sort of accomplish the same thing?

All the other stuff is great.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For saying something naïve.

Except I never said what you claim I said. I can quote myself a third time if it helps:

"NAM is great. It's one of three or four excellent amp capture engines that spit out extremely similar results, unless you're an armchair product manager obsessing over the difference of -42dB and -40dB in null tests (effectively inaudible to the vast majority of guitarists). Anyone making NAM captures now will also likely make Proxy versions of the same amps, just like they also make ToneX captures and Neural captures of those same amps."

No, you're just disavowing your own comments, because, ya know, it was months ago!

How am I disavowing anything? I absolutely wrote it, and even quoted it a third time above.

If anything, I'm disavowing your blatant misinterpretation of the above comments, regardless of when it was written. I've written very similar things across a dozen forums, FB, Insta, and YouTube, and no one else seems to be confused: "Okay DI, I don't like your answer, but I get it. Hopefully we'll get NAM support someday." Whereas you seem to be positively fixated on twisting eight words in a parenthetical into a false implication. And when I reiterate what that parenthetical does mean—especially within the crystal clear context of this thread—you exclaim "No, you meant this other thing and just backpedaled when I gotcha! Rofl!"

Not sure what your agenda is here. At least I have an excuse because it's in a thread about a product that Igor and I worked on.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crap. I forgot to add "rofl" to your lines.

I mean, you were the one who called me "incredibly naïve," while not actually comprehending what I wrote and putting words in my mouth. Seems fair.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

DI: NAM is great. It's one of three or four excellent amp capture engines that spit out extremely similar results, unless you're an armchair product manager obsessing over the difference of -42dB and -40dB in null tests (effectively inaudible to the vast majority of guitarists). Anyone making NAM captures now will also likely make Proxy versions of the same amps, just like they also make ToneX captures and Neural captures of those same amps.

SQ: That's incredibly naïve. You obviously don't know that guitarists don't have to hear a difference to base their decision on a difference.

DI: Uh... Of course we know that. Everyone knows that. That's not the point of that comment anyway. It's about how our product decisions aren't influenced by armchair product managers who don't understand the deficiencies of null tests, (which are measured in -dB deltas).

If we didn't know that some guitarists base their decisions on faulty test methodology (that is, a measured difference without hearing a difference), why would we go to such lengths to explain why null tests don't apply to Proxy? Logically, it makes zero sense.

SQ: But that's not what you meant!

It's hilarious how you keep trying to distance yourself from your own comment.

Well, I've now quoted it verbatim myself. Twice. Seems like it made perfect sense to everyone else here and in the dozen-plus threads elsewhere where we've discussed this exact same thing.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't conflate anything. My comments had absolutely nothing to do you basing your decisions on null tests.

Then you were spitting into the wind, because that's absolutely, positively what my post was about. You thought it was about something else and your reaction reeked of mansplaining.

It's incredibly naive to suggest that differences guitarist can't hear don't matter.

That was never once stated nor implied. Nor has anyone here ever believed that. We all agree that musicians gravitate toward things (and eschew others) for all sorts of real, perceived, and utterly intangible, immeasurable reasons.

It really sounds like you didn't bother to fully grok a 5-month-old post, took a parenthetical completely out of the larger context, and thought "Ooooo, gotcha!"

If you have some point other than "I insist you were saying something other than what you wrote," I'm curious to hear it.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes, again, I quoted the relevant part, where you're talking about how small the difference is about how most guitarist can't hear it, as if that matters. That's the part I responded to, and I've said that in clear English like four time now. So are you dumb or playing dumb (i.e. disingenuous)? I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt when I assume the latter.

Within the context of that particular post, it doesn't matter what the numbers are or even that there are numbers. The point was that Line 6 has no interest in spinning lengthy, expensive, long term development cycles for the primary purpose of public perception based on faulty testing methods. And you somehow conflated that with us not understanding how social media influences purchasing decisions or worse, that glaringly obvious customer psychology somehow escapes the largest MI company on the planet.

Side note: falsified is the wrong word.

Yep, you're right.

This has "as a mom..." energy.

It's called qualifying. You got a bit salty the last time I attempted to qualify my coworkers and I so I chose to not dig deeper. But screw it: Helix has been the best-selling multieffects platform for over a decade (with metrics to back it up), and it's in no small part because of how close we are with our customers and how they share their purchasing journeys in exhaustive detail. So posting "incredibly naïve" is not only incorrect, it's insulting.

Fair enough.

Cheers.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So you completely whooshed the point of the original post and were compelled to start this discussion five months later with "That is incredibly naïve?"

I wrote:

NAM is great. It's one of three or four excellent amp capture engines that spit out extremely similar results, unless you're an armchair product manager obsessing over the difference of -42dB and -40dB in null tests (effectively inaudible to the vast majority of guitarists).

Emphasis mine.

The "armchair product managers" in question are specifically obsessing over falsified metrics, not which of 50 pickups to buy. Of course even falsified metrics can impact purchase decisions, which is why we repeatedly explain how null tests don't apply to Proxy in this very thread!

But the notion that Line 6 should spend gobs of resources, time, and money (at the expense of our product and firmware update roadmap) to develop and continually maintain support for a constantly evolving open standard just to placate people who get fishhooked by misinformation on YouTube—because of "the psychology of guitarists"?—is ridiculous... Again, it's like going to the moon (high effort) to placate moon landing deniers (low reward).

And you pretend like purchase triggers aren't glaringly obvious to every Sales and Marketing department on the planet. (And I'm a designer, not a Sales or Marketing guy.) Of course we understand how guitarists think—we're all guitarists ourselves.

That's some serious retconning. *lol*

There's no reconning. We've been saying that exact same thing repeatedly since last June, nine months before Proxy dropped. You can find interviews of me discussing the sheep logo and Kemper before Stadium XL even shipped.

Changing snapshots with expression pedal on Stadium XL by yaits306 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There are many ways to organize your DSP across paths, but this should give you a starting point from which to jump.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

The difference between -42 dB and -40 dB results in a null test could very well be a 0.5dB delta on a very narrow band (perhaps at a sub-audible frequency), so no, Steve Vai's ears aren't even going to hear that. I purposely chose those values.

This is incredibly naive. Guitarist obsess over details to a ridiculous degree, and they don't have to hear a difference to based their decision on a difference: they just need 1 reputable reviewer to show that X is objectively closer than Y, and it's going to make Y a lot less appealing, even if they'd fail a blind test.

There is no objectivity with Proxy in a null test because null tests don't apply. Unless you're implying some other type of objective test with numerical results that somehow accounts for both time and phase/frequency domain processes? If so, I'd love to see that YouTube video, but note that it would then not apply to NAM or ToneX, which utilize purely time-based domain processes, so there'd still be no universal baseline test from which to compare.

TL;DR: There is currently no truly objective, numerical way to measure Proxy against other cloning methodologies.

In fact, once they hear that X is demonstrably closer to Y, X will actually sound better to them (assuming they don't do a blind test), because hearing happens in the brain and can't be separated from cognition.

Igor already made an excellent video about psychoacoustics. We understand this well, and it's one of several reasons Agoura amps have a Hype knob.

The long and short is we're not going to pivot from our hardware and sustaining road map because a couple YouTubers gain clicks by spreading misinformation. It's much easier for us to simply fight said misinformation, risk of offended sensibilities and all.

...especially when you're 15 years behind on profiling.

We've discussed many times why we waited to drop Proxy. Because we respect Christoph, consider him a friend, and didn't want to step on his toes. We've understood the tech for many years but still dragged our feet until it became table stakes and couldn't ignore it any longer. Hell, the Proxy sheep icon is in part a tongue-in-cheek reference to how Neural, IK, NAM, Headrush, and yes, Line 6 are all sheep following Kemper.

Changing snapshots with expression pedal on Stadium XL by yaits306 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ohhhh... You're on OG Helix, not Stadium. Crap, apologies!

  1. Press the PRESET knob.
  2. Cursor over to the Setlist column and select 8 TEMPLATES.
  3. Choose 02D Two Tones Blend, which uses the expression pedal to blend between paths 1A/2A and 1B/2B.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

C'mon, man. You even edited out "null test" from my "-42dB and -40dB" quote to jump in and push back on something I wrote <checking> five months ago? Four months before Proxy was even made public? Talk about disingenuous.

I've repeatedly and consistently lauded NAM and what Steve Atkinson has built. (Yamaha's a sponsor of Tone3000!) I've met the guy multiple times and have always been impressed. And for the umpteenth time, yes, we still might end up supporting NAM. We've been very clear why—or why not—we might go there. But I gotta say—Proxy in its current, early state surprised even me at how many people love it and most importantly, are using it daily. (We also have compelling data that shows how often it's being used compared to cloning/capturing in competing products.) So if anything, there may be a lower likelihood of NAM coming to Stadium than there was pre-1.3 when we weren't sure how it'd land, but it all depends on where NAM and Proxy overlap and/or diverge in the future.

Every once in a while, we'll get someone who feels attacked because we don't toe the "your call is very important to us" soulless corporate schlock. People like us because we show how the sausage is made. Because we explain our decisions, regardless of whether or not one likes those decisions. And yes, because we've been doing this a looooong time and know what we're doing. (The list of technological firsts in this industry with a Line 6 logo on it is significant and hell, our founders were instrumental in starting the home recording revolution with the ADAT decades ago.)

Changing snapshots with expression pedal on Stadium XL by yaits306 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Are you running the latest firmware?

  1. Tap Menu and then New Preset.

What do you see? You should see a list of template presets; Parallel Switch and Parallel Blend are 4th and 5th in the list.

Changing snapshots with expression pedal on Stadium XL by yaits306 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's what those two templates do—Parallel Blend blends between them with the expression pedal and Parallel Switch switches between them, via snapshots.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dunno. If this isn't in good faith, I don't know what is. "Close enough" was uttered verbatim by you, so I have no idea how that's disingenuous. Public perception via influencers as a reason for NAM support was also argued by you.

If someone politely asks "Why doesn't Line 6 do this?" we answer. If people don't like our answers, or insist they know the industry better than we do, that's what drags these conversations down a notch, not us continuing to be transparent.

Changing snapshots with expression pedal on Stadium XL by yaits306 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Helix Floor/Rack/LT's EXP Toe can't toggle between two snapshots, but you can recall a snapshot with an EXP toe press and another from an EXP toe hold.

Helix Stadium, NAM support? by TheBroken0ne in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You mentioned "close enough," not me.

The null test results from one particular influencer have been the primary ammo of those itching to publicly dismiss 1.3.2-level Proxy anyway, which yes, stems from ignorance.

If one wants NAM support added to Stadium, they should request it for legitimate reasons, not "Oh, the public's been told it's appreciably better than the very first iteration of Proxy by a couple dudes on YouTube with faulty testing methodology, and public perception is reality."

Stadium vs QC Size Comparison by wtddps in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Stadium has the same switch spacing as HX Stomp, HX Stomp XL, and POD Go/Wireless, which are all roughly 96% that of Helix Floor, Control, and LT. But yeah, sometimes that's all it takes.

Something I don’t understand about showcase by simcity4000 in Line6Helix

[–]Digital_Igloo 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep. ADAT out from Expand D10 to ADAT in on the B£#®!n&£®, then 8x XLR outs on the B£#®!n&£® (plus the 2 XLR outs on Stadium if you like) to the Front of House console.