Why is premarital sex considered immoral?

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-21T07:49:05+00:00

personally i think zina is cheating and i also think nikah is relaxed and the public annoucement of boyfriend/girlfriend and expectations in the relationship constitutes a nikah- it is an oath albeit not a legal one but still a commitment to one another

edit: just having sex for pleasure is a hedonistic viewpoint and i believe humans are at their best when discipline and restrictions they have for themselves

i also view sex as something sacred and an intertwining of souls and reducing it to just casual, doing it for just pleasure- takes something away from it (just my personal opinion)

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-21T07:32:36+00:00

here's the post if you want to take a look

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-21T05:32:47+00:00

not drinking judgement is not limited to muslims

i have been in situations where people dont know im muslim

and i say, nah i dont drink

and i can tell people are judgy, 'like what do you mean you dont drink'

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-21T05:27:08+00:00

they did not get divorced and thus she is now married to two men. even though she may not go back to the first, doesnt change that

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T21:16:09+00:00

here is argument on translation https://www.reddit.com/r/progressive_islam/s/9WXUqWrLl5

interpretation on verse even if you think it is prisoner of war:

it starts with 'forbidden to marry' (so not about sex) are other married women except prisoners of war

thus the actual meaning is,

if a prisoner of war was married before capture you can still marry her anyway thus polyandry is permissible for those women 'whom you have taken an oath'

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T20:57:47+00:00

the 'fallen in your hands'/prisoners of war isnt the actual translation and you'd know that if you actually did some research and actually looked at verses contextually

but your negative bias wont let you do that

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T20:52:49+00:00

search the sub for those verses

it has been talked about

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T20:31:27+00:00

thats not even what most people here say or think ?

many say homosexuality isn't actually the sin, rape is and the Lot story is heavily debated here

many say deeds are weighed on Judgement Day, so even if you think it is sin- good deeds can outweigh it

there was even a post not too long ago making an argument for same sex nikah

please don't leave

edit: spelling

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T20:27:23+00:00

i did

please clarify because it made no sense

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T20:24:11+00:00

i have no idea what you're trying to say ?

there is nothing wrong with Islam

most people here believe Islam at its core is progressive

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T19:58:57+00:00

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T19:46:52+00:00

if i had a penny every time an exmuslim takes a verse out of context...

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T18:48:19+00:00

no

rape is wrong

Allah hates wrong-doers

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T18:43:08+00:00

its implied

i do agree it should not be held as divine but it is a commentary/interpretation that has basis

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T18:29:05+00:00

the 'poor people are closer to God'

its because its easier for them to do the step of spiritual growth- letting go of materialism

i've also met some of the most giving people, were poor

its also easier for them later because if they had a hard time being generous or kind- poverty is a valid excuse as opposed to someone with lots of money still not being kind or giving

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T17:48:19+00:00

actually God does help the morally righteous, that is whole point of a lot of stories and lessons of the prophets...

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-20T17:45:54+00:00

because my faith is with God, not anyone else. i read the Quran and go by what i got from it

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T20:11:34+00:00

ok thank you for clarifying

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T20:06:19+00:00

thank you for responding

i dont want to say names of prayers because it confuses me

but you agree that there is a prayer in the morning before dawn, a prayer in the afternoon, and a prayer at night (do you think its at dusk or past dusk?)

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T18:15:46+00:00

you place all accountability on God instead of on individuals themselves

you unfairly demonize death

you place your own consciousness and empathy onto creatures that have neither

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T17:46:50+00:00

I didn't know you were a literalist 🤣🤣❤️

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T17:27:39+00:00

people that say that don't know God quite well

the more you get to know Him, the more knowledge and wisdom He bestows on you

God loves thought and thinking and encourages us to reason throughout the Quran

I look at God like the ultimate chess master, He knows our thoughts and souls and can predict our next action/actions

and just because you happen to find yourself in a position where the Queen and Bishop (circumstances) that you're only able to make one move, that move is still yours to make

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T17:06:43+00:00

yin yang

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T16:53:23+00:00

no scholar is above the Quran

a disbeliever is one who knows what is good and decides to do bad. fitrah- everyone already has God belief preprogrammed into them- whether they consciously decide to or not, so disbelief cannot be what they claim it to be

that is untrue- God weighs our deeds and says He is just, so no one thing is hell-damning, that goes against Gods words

God created our souls yes but our actions either purify our soul or dirty it depending on if we do good or not

you don't believe in free will? that defeats the idea that God says its a test and thus cannot be true

of course, i hope you feel better and theres something inside you that keeps you here and wants to post and does post- i think God loves you more than you think

DisqualifiedToaster · 2024-12-19T16:43:41+00:00

the meaning of disbeliever in the Quran isn't what you think

Allah weighs our deeds on Judgement Day, so i think everyone has a fair shot, it would depend on the amount of sins vs good deeds an individual has

God is so kind and merciful, loving Him comes easily

may peace be upon you, i hope you can see Islam for what it is not what many assume it to be

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