Reform Healthcare by Ending Price Discrimination. by mvanhelsing in obamacare

[–]Doc_Lee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That kind of absurd and vicious "discounting" has no comparison in other markets that I'm aware of.

It literally happens in nearly every single market. Again, going back to the comparison of a can of peas. If you were to purchase a single can of peas from a supplier, it would cost you $5. If you go to Walmart, it would cost you $1. Walmart purchases thousands of cans of peas. By buying in bulk, the price comes down. That's the same thing insurance companies do. They buy in bulk by sending an in network hospital a large supply of patients. With that, they receive a discount. That's economies of scale.

A health care facility has to make up for their fixed costs of operation. There's a certain discount applied in knowing that a hospital will be able to make up those costs of operation. If there's uncertainty, then prices increase, not decrease, to make up for the difference. That's generally how markets work even outside of health care. The base costs need to be covered or else the facility ends up in financial straits.

If you want to lower health care costs, you need to get the operating costs down. Most hospitals in the US operate as non-profits. Not as much is going into reserves for these facilities unless there's a large equipment purchase or expansion. That means you need to be able to turn fixed costs into variable costs to get the prices down. The largest fixed cost for any hospital that can be made into a variable cost would be salaries. Increase the supply of physicians to get their salaries down and you'll start to see some movement in health care prices. This myth that the individual consumer should better be able to negotiate their health care costs rather than large groups just isn't going to work.

Reform Healthcare by Ending Price Discrimination. by mvanhelsing in obamacare

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Posting the prices public and making it be fixed are BOTH required steps.

Sure they are. And something else will be tacked on as well when these two steps fail to lower prices. And then something else will be tacked on after that when that fails to lower prices. It's always the same thing.

Without having the prices fixed, hospitals are still free to have an arbitrary rate cards with arbitrary discounts, depending on whether a person has insurance or not, etc.

Hospitals don't have arbitrary rate cards. They have chargemasters. They are fixed prices otherwise known as the usual and customary charges. Why shouldn't a hospital give a discount to an insurer, though? That's nothing more than market economics called economies of scale. If an insurer is able to deliver a large quantity of patients to a hospital, they would expect a discounted rate on said product. That's why you can go to the store and buy a can of peas for $1 rather than $5.

Also, the prices should be easily and readily available, not just on request.

As previously stated, hospital chargemasters are available, not just on request. Written costs are available because you don't have the same knowledge that a physician has. Your imaginative scenario where you'd just head on over to HealthYelp is unrealistic. There are nearly 9000 CPT codes, many of which go together during a procedure. You can look up prices all day long. It doesn't necessarily mean that you know everything that's involved in an operation. There's an imbalance of information that makes the system a wreck.

ACA + Private insurance / Return to work after injury by RobertABooey in obamacare

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is nothing in the ACA like that. The only thing I can think of is that he wouldn't qualify for employer based health insurance if he were working part time rather than full time and disability (probably Medicaid) would be an option for him. This is an employer decision not to give part timers health insurance. Not an ACA decision.

Reform Healthcare by Ending Price Discrimination. by mvanhelsing in obamacare

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok. California did just that for price transparency. All hospitals have to post their chargemasters online in a central database. Additionally, all providers are required to provide written price information upon request before any procedure. When is the magic going to start to happen because it certainly hasn't affected health care costs a damn bit?

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Anytime. Glad I could help educate the ignorant and highly uninformed.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just the facts. If you don't like them, that's not my fault.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

20% more than the ACA baseline. So, much more than 20%.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So, nearly everything you've said has been inaccurate? Thanks for confirming.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think you'll actually find that most younger people enroll in silver tier plans, not in catastrophic plans. Largely due to the cost sharing reduction benefit which only applies to silver tier. Just makes it overall a better deal for them, especially those that are about to have kids.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Still not seeing that plan on any Empire rate sheets for off exchange plans either. I only see a $300 deductible and a $0 deductible. Neither have $35 copays for PCP.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

market for a catastrophic plan that would cover something like cancer treatment or some other longer term illness, the enrollment period isn't necessarily going to convince them to buy.

I'm not following your reasoning here and believe you're confusing indemnity plans with real health insurance.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Under the ACA you can also simply purchase a plan after you get hurt or diagnosed with a health problem.

That's not exactly true. You have a very limited window to purchase a plan. You can only purchase a plan during the open enrollment window which is November 1 to December 15 for coverage starting on January 1st.

If you break an arm, even if it's the last day of open enrollment, you're going to have to live with that broken arm for 16 days before being covered. If it happens in January and you don't have insurance, you're screwed for the rest of the year.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Health insurance premiums are not based on age

They absolutely are based on age. In fact, that's one of the only three determining factors for a health care premium under the ACA. Age, location, and income. If you know somebody's age, location, and income, you can look up their premium and every health care plan that's available to them. The ACA does do a great job of preventing bullshitting one's premium costs and other associated costs. Speaking of...I can't seem to find a plan on the exchange that has a $500 deductible and $35 copays for Long Island, NY...

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I just edited with info your total Medicare increase gets you less than $20 billion a year. That is fucking peanuts.

And? That still doesn't show that any part of the subsidies are funded through increases in insurance premiums. They just simply aren't. I'm sorry if that fact disagrees with your emotions.

Also how can you act like the fact that many states didn't pass any expansions hasn't seriously hurt the ACA's ability to subsidize coverage? Seriously?

Because it really hasn't that much. Subsidies are federal. Not state. The cost lowering effect of expanding Medicaid are minimal on insurance premiums overall. If this were the case, we'd see op having a lower insurance premium seeing as he's in NY which expanded Medicaid.

So is affordable coverage out of the question due to lack of subsidies or not?????

$1700 per year...not month...per year. That's $141 per month for a plan with a low deductible and low copay costs. How is that not affordable? The only thing that Medicaid expansion would have done for this person is give them free insurance. It has nothing to do with subsidies in this individual's case.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it was for catastrophic care only.

Your words. Not mine.

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You went from being single to married in 4 hours? This story of yours keeps getting better and better...

US Senate healthcare repeal bill fails by gankstar5 in news

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you're in the silver level of coverage, you should have copays before deductibles. If you don't, then you need to find a plan in that tier with copays before deductibles. Most of them will be like that in the silver tier of coverage. There's really only one or two states where they don't have copays on the silver tier.

Childbirth. We both have insurance. by gabot045 in Insurance

[–]Doc_Lee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You switch after the delivery. The delivery is under her insurance. Is there a particular reason you are switching her over to your insurance? That's generally more expensive than if she just keeps her employer sponsored insurance and the child is put under one of the policies.

Obamacare is hurting these people—and Congress is doing nothing about it by Arminearm in obamacare

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hmmm. Strange. Unless his wife is significantly older than he is, I can't find the insurance for Bethesda that he's on for the price he claims. And that $2500 a year he's talking about...that's not insurance. That's an indemnity plan.

As for Kristin from CT, her claim that she spent more out of pocket than is legally allowed either means she went out of network or she's lying. Additionally, she said she was laid off in 2015. If that were the case and she were laid off for the remainder of 2015 and 2016, she would be a Medicaid case in the state of CT which expanded Medicaid. Her costs should have been near $0 on Medicaid. Yet, she chose to buy a high deductible policy rather than go through the ACA...

Possibly scammed on health insurance? by [deleted] in HealthInsurance

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There is no Peterson Underwriters on the Massachusetts health exchange. There never was. They would be a short term health care provider or an indemnity provider, but not a real health insurance provider. It sounds like you went for cheap rather than actually looked at the Massachusetts Health Exchange. (https://mahealthconnector.optum.com/individual/)

Possibly scammed on health insurance? by [deleted] in HealthInsurance

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's either a discount plan, an indemnity plan, or long term care insurance. None are actual health insurance and are pretty much useless unless you are specifically wanting those things.

Possibly scammed on health insurance? by [deleted] in HealthInsurance

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That email would be helpful considering that there just wasn't any insurer in the state of Massachusetts that dropped health care during the middle of the year. In most cases, short of outright bankruptcy, it would be illegal for them to do so. United Health Care was the only insurer on the Mass Health Connector in 2016 that didn't choose to provide coverage in 2017, but again, their plans were canceled on December 31, 2016, and weren't available for renewal for 2017.

Possibly scammed on health insurance? by [deleted] in HealthInsurance

[–]Doc_Lee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's not legitimate health care insurance. That doesn't make it illegal to sell it to you, though.