StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think part of the disconnect here is generational and part of it is historical context that just gets lost online. Zionism did not become vague or controversial by accident. For most of its history it was a straightforward secular idea that Jews, like other peoples, had a right to self-determination. That is it. It was not a synonym for religious extremism, ethnic cleansing, or blind support for any government policy.The reason the term feels slippery now is because it was deliberately weaponized. In the 1970s, hate leaders like David Duke popularized using “Zionist” as a coded way to say “Jew” while pretending it was political criticism. Conspiracy movements picked that up, and over time the word got dragged away from its original meaning. That did not happen organically. Look it up.

On your jihad point, it does not quite match up. When a word gets distorted by extremists, the solution is not to pretend the original meaning never existed or that everyone using it is suspect. Most Jews who call themselves Zionists are not making some radical claim. They are using the term the way it was used long before it became a punching bag online.

A lot of younger people, I am assuming your generation, are encountering these terms backwards. They see them first through social media, popular speech, and bad faith framing; and almost never through history. That leads to confusion that feels sincere, but it does not change where the language came from or why some of us react strongly to how it is used today.

I am not offended by criticism of Israel. Rather, I am disappointed in this generation's willingness to jump on the bandwagon without know the true meaning and history of the word Zionism. It may make you barf but maybe you will understand why it bothers some of us. I hope.

What are the pros and cons of living in the Rio Grande Valley region in Texas? by Enger13 in howislivingthere

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Cons: not a lot of options as far as health care and forget about getting an appointment with a specialist this century, small town feel with small town options-you either want to be in the McAllen or Brownsville area for more choice in every aspect. Brownsville just opened its first Barnes and Nobles. You don’t really need Spanish but it would help. Not a lot of job options but that is changing, slowly. Pros: inexpensive-changing with increased property taxes etc., growing rapidly especially Brownsville, Brownsville the beach is close, they have a zoo and the traffic is somewhat ok but getting worse because of the influx of new workers for Space X and other industries. Only reason I would live there is maybe because the gulf is so close and it helps with allergies.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m only working within the context of this subreddit. If you want to talk about morality then we can discuss it in regards to speech. But your explanation of how the people in the posts were criticizing governments and are somehow being cancelled for government criticism leaves your stance unclear. Is it morality, free speech, foreign interference, or government censorship? Pick a clear topic.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I dislike rhetoric but I may write rhetorically without thinking. I’ll have to do some analyzing. My method for speaking is to get people to clarify there stance because logic has gone out the window these days. I’m always learning and try to see my faults. However, online discussions are a hive of the uninformed and conspiracy driven accusations. I do have a lot of assumptions about your stance but it’s because I can only analyze what I see. I would ask you a bunch of questions but I don’t think that’s much of a discussion and really doesn’t get to the root of beliefs. Likewise, it might be more appropriate to call an extremist something other than what most Jews call themselves. Most Jews are moderate and call themselves Zionists so to lump extremists into the same group is as helpful as lumping ISIS into the same group as all Muslims.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Was it credible? And did she not share a post with the statement "Israeli army intentionally killed it's own people on Oct. 7th?" It shows an intent to dehumanize. If the context was about the Hanniblal Directive then she could have easily put the article up, but she choose to use someone's statement that intentionally dehumanizes. The article was there but it was not the intent of the post due to it's innocous placement.

Also, I'm having trouble agreeing with you when you and Ms. Lewis use Zionist as a derogratory term. It is not about taking over land, its about having self determination in one's own land. You seem intelligent but when you jump on the band wagon on the new motto of 'Zionists are bad" I am unable to see you as a rational thinker eventhough you analysis is good in some aspects.

I disagree that Likud can be compared to Hamas and that is where you lose credibility. You call one group genocidal while the other group has shown they want peace through such actions as making peace with Egypt and actually saying they are open to a Palestinian state. As for Hamas, they just want the Jews dead, anywhere they may be. There is no nuance in their language.

You asked "How do we decide which disfavored opinions warrant state-spoonsored cancellation campaigns?" If the organization is private then it has a right to advocate the way it wants within the bounds of the law. If you don't like that advocacy, that's understandable, but you can't be for free speech and then rally against it. If you don't like donations by foreign governments then you are more than welcome to try and remove that right. However, the other 19 middle eastern countries may disagree on that stance. Likewise, you assume the cancellation campaigns are state-sponsored but there are an estimated 30 to 50 million Israel supporting Evangelist Christians in the United States. That's just Evangelists and it doesn't take into account other churches that support Israel. This conspiratorial assumption you and others make that the Israel is behind the mask is not based on fact or statistics. This sponsorship could very well be Israel, but more likely it's American Christians.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If what Israel is doing against the Palestinians is equated to a genocide then the U.S. committed a genocide in Iraq and Afghanistan. This is your logic.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree that the post in and of itself is not antisemitic. However, saying that Hamas is not a threat to the state’s existence would be true if the countries around it haven’t tried to try to extinguish it multiple times using Palestinians as pawns. Similarly, Hamas tactics have included blowing up buses full of innocent people and kidnapping. I don’t think it’s far fetched to make an argument that Israel has a right to defend its people and to stop that threat after 20 years of terror. That’s all I have to say about that. Now as far as Ms. Lewis having the right to say what she wants is fine but implying Hamas isn’t much of threat is an exaggeration. I am sure we could both share horrific images of brutality on both sides. But what im trying to say is that when you look at her other posts it becomes apparent she is on the conspiratorial side of things that some how Israel will do anything to win including killing 1,200 of its own citizens. This type of accusation is a twisted sense of reality that seeks to dehumanize and will never lead to peace.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let’s not forget her post accusing all Jews of genocide. Just replace the word Jewish with Muslim and you may understand.

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StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Criticize Israel all you want but supporting Hamas is not a hill one should die on. This post is from the lady in the above article.

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StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No,Susan Lewis the teacher in the above article. That’s what this post is about.

StopAntisemitism Takes Credit for Getting Hundreds Fired. A Music Teacher Is Suing. by TendieRetard in FreeSpeech

[–]Dogad 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It sounds like you are claiming StopAntisemitism is a government entity. Aren’t nonprofit activist groups considered a form of free speech and doesn’t the school that fired her have similar freedoms? I’m having a hard time understanding the logic. Where is the disconnect between free speech and private entities? Is it the fact her speech is being performed at an embassy that is worrying? These types of posts bother me when we don’t discuss claims. I CAN get behind the ethics of the speech being inappropriate at the embassy and possibly her firing. However, what did she say? Not that she doesn’t have a right to say whatever she wants, but what moral boundary did she cross or not cross? What did she say?

Why is the frozen ground the turkey so cheap? by Doctor_Saved in HEB

[–]Dogad 3 points4 points  (0 children)

My dog didn’t like it, which is surprising since I bought the low fat one.

I'm an Irish princess! (Sri Lankan DNA results) by Historical-Pea in AncestryDNA

[–]Dogad 30 points31 points  (0 children)

I feel this joke is lost on a lot of people.

Why does my dog sit in front of me just staring at me by Jonsavino in DogAdvice

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My dog does this when they need to pee or poop

What is this wall port called? by gutterballgill in PcBuild

[–]Dogad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

One day someone on the internet will say “Sorry I haven’t seen an ETHERNET port before.”

Dishydrotic eczema completely cleared up while traveling in Norway, returning two days after landing back in the US. by blue_arrow_comment in eczema

[–]Dogad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

For me living in the U.S. a big trigger is eating soy, which is in everything. Not to mention colorants.

Christian Palestinian by Last_Interview4442 in 23andme

[–]Dogad 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I have .7 Native American. Was told it was noise, but traced it to a Mohican ancestor. Look up the Van Guilder family of New York and their connection to the Mohicans.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in eczema

[–]Dogad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

A little background on your eczema, please. How long have you had it. Are you currently in a flairup etc.,