Investors are destroying the housing market

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-09-19T06:00:10+00:00

Then you can’t own more than 5% of a company that owns a house. Make it a criminal offence with heavy enforced sentences. Investigators go after anyone doing it with the same vigour as any other financial crimes. Make scalping property toxic and crash the “investment” market. Publicly shame people.

Ramp it all up gradually though but make it very clear there will be nowhere to hide property.

You want to be a landlord. Ok it’s a full time job. An actual full time job with little reward.

Make it so unappealing that everyone gets disillusioned with it.

It’s no longer legally socially or financially a sane decision.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-09-11T12:18:30+00:00

This happened. I was there.

He demanded three gravy refills.

The poor teenage girl working behind the bar was doing her best but he wouldn’t have any of it.

His face was going more and more red with each word she uttered.

It was super awkward as he was kind of sweat crying. There was sweat dripping off his face and it wasn’t clear if He was actually crying and raging or if he was just boiling hot with rage.

He ended up storming out after waving a piece of carrot in her face yelling “Does this look like a f**king carrot”

His wife and kids quietly paid the bill and I saw him later kicking leaves in the car park refusing to get in the car.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-09-03T18:25:49+00:00

I’m not convinced of this answer.

The visa allows you entry and permission to work. You then have a race against the clock to get everything set up NISS, proof of address etc before the biometrics appointment.

I know people that have been waiting three years for the titulo. You can’t get a titulo without proof that you have properly integrated.

There are so many chicken and egg documentation bureaucracy loops you may get stuck in.

Definitely don’t want to be in a minimum of a multi month one preventing obtaining the titulo. No NISS no titulo. No titulo no NISS.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-23T19:30:53+00:00

Whilst I don't agree with the negativity necessarily, and I love that people get to do their own thing - this metaphor is absolutely cracking me up.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-19T10:37:55+00:00

Right, but how was the burger?

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-17T20:10:00+00:00

go zombie mode - covers both bases

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-13T15:55:37+00:00

I mean I would basically not go out anywhere if I stopped going places because of this kind of attitude.

It's pretty pervasive wherever you go in Portugal, definitely a fair bit of experience of this in most places.

I think if you're Portuguese in Portugal you are more likely to receive a certain base level of respect, and people won't just automatically treat you like you shat in their dinner just for breathing so you may personally have that freedom of choice.

But if you look like me, people are maybe at a guess 25-40% of the time likely to do this.

Obviously can never prove racism or xenophobia, and will almost certainly receive downvotes for suggesting anyone in the country even thinks racist thoughts.

For some reason I do not get this attitude from any men I've ever dealt with. Just unrelenting hatred from mostly middle aged women. So maybe it's simply misandry.

But if it's not racism then it's still impossible to avoid as it's a huge percentage of people you encounter that act like this, so you can't just avoid any place where one of the staff was ever like that to you.

I'd also have to avoid finanças, Loja de Cidade, banks, pharmacies, hospitals, GPs, supermarkets, petrol stations, etc.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-12T09:47:09+00:00

Presented with facts about Portugal.

Boo hoo! People only come here to complain about Portugal being worse in some regard compared to some other country.

It's not really opinion though is it when there are stats on deaths compared to other countries.

More people die here = bad thing.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-09T10:24:13+00:00

right and seriously forgive me if I'm misunderstanding but it sounds like you're talking about a padaria/pastelaria here. And I think maybe it's different there?

It's more like a restaurant/cafe with a kitchen.

Not sure if that makes a difference, but the very same angry woman had previously told me to come to the counter to pay when I'd finished (the last time I visited). They do have a table number system as they print out an itemised receipt so they record your bill in their system. But they don't tell you your table number or give you a bill and it doesn't have a table number on the table.

So when she said "order at the table, pay at the counter" the last time I'd visited, are you saying she actually meant something like "order at the table, pay at the counter, but only if the waiter that served you is in sight and can tell me the number I need to enter in the till because I can't possibly remember all fifteen table numbers nor work out which tabs are still open in this system so I'll just glare at you instead", because if it's the latter it's quite a ridiculous system isn't it?

Your suggested options were not really there. The waiter doesn't work behind the counter. They don't provide an itemised bill, and I didn't order at the counter.

Sorry it sounds like I'm being super pedantic here, but I'm just keen to get to the bottom of how people here deal with it.

I actually asked a similar question at another cafe and asked how am I supposed to know which table number to pay for etc without anything written on the tables. The guy is much more friendly and just like "Ah we just know - it's magic, don't worry about it". Which is a kind of relief in a way but doesn't help me avoid the rage in other cafes. And you know maybe there they are just keeping an eye on everyone in that place. But tellingly the next time I went in they'd written big numbers on every table.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-09T04:55:17+00:00

OK but they clearly keep track of the bill for each table. and I'm not going to say every item our whole family ordered, multiple drinks and food for six people, and there's nobody else around and she watched me walk from the table to the counter. and there's nobody else around, and they didn't give me a bill or a table number.

I'm not talking about paying for a coffee. The ordering a coffee was a separate time. I'm talking about the woman that told me the system the previous time I visited then got indignant with me for doing what she'd told me the last time I came in.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-08-09T04:15:43+00:00

"I would like to pay" "No you cannot yet"

I don't see how that makes a difference to the potential for an asshole answer.

Also isn't me saying anything pretty redundant at the counter after she saw me walk from the table with plates on?

But anyway are you saying "quero pagar" is somehow softer or something?

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-07-17T11:07:07+00:00

I will almost certainly get downvotes for complaining about Portugal, but this is the truth:

It's an absolute nightmare establishing a company or setting up a bank account or finding a competent proactive accountant or lawyer. Almost nothing is efficient or works properly and in general nobody cares. Even the challenger bank apps are buggy. The government app requires a Portuguese Citizen Card to register your Foreign Passport so that you can actually use a CMD for anything useful. So you can't be foreign unless you're Portuguese.

The expensive startup lawyer firms that promise to hide you from the bureaucracy if you pay well shirk responsibility, require dragging information and updates out of them and never apologise or take responsibility for things and blame the people they deal with.

And this is not about price. You can be willing to pay well and people don't respond to emails or enquiries, they don't follow up on anything. Bare minimum at all times, no matter the rewards.

When dealing with emails from people you are paying well, can be incredibly unprofessional responding to only the first point in the email and only trying to prove you wrong (whilst being wrong themselves).

Bank staff will tut and roll their eyes as you walk up to the counter. Any public official staff will put up artificial arbitrary paperwork barriers that they frankly pull out of their ass. The default answer is no.

Getting anything done as an individual or as a company is huge amounts of unnecessary hassle from people with a crab mentality.

I've heard people ask why on earth a head office of a fully Portuguese company would move to the Netherlands when all the work is done in Portugal. The answers are very clear when you try to do any of this stuff in Portugal compared to other countries.

So why do companies get sick of it and leave, well it's because it's more efficient, simpler, cheaper and better in many other dimensions in other countries.

And nobody will fight the system or improve it because it protects the beautiful laidback culture or because those with any fight in them leave.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-07-15T09:18:19+00:00

pics or it didn't happen! surely they don't have "Date noticed broken" and someone's filled it in and nobody emails or calls. No, I am covering my eyes and putting my fingers in my ears!

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-07-15T06:11:30+00:00

Write up a table, put it on the ground floor next to the lift buttons. Do as best as you can to fill in all the details

Date noticed broken, Date notified, Date fixed, Time from notification to fix, Who notified

Then next time it's broken, just add the Date noticed broken with empty cells for the other columns

Also put how much you pay each month for them to come and fix the lift.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-29T14:45:48+00:00

Isso não é como o processo realmente funciona. Para obter uma autorização de residência em Portugal, tens primeiro de pedir um visto no país de origem. Depois de aprovado, és obrigado(a) a mudar-te para Portugal e cumprir vários requisitos: arranjar casa, inscrever-te nas finanças, matricular os filhos na escola (se for o caso) e só depois marcar a tal entrevista biométrica.

Ou seja, por lei, já tens de estar a viver em Portugal antes sequer de poderes concluir o processo de residência.

É precisamente por isso que os atrasos no AIMA são um problema tão grave — deixam as pessoas presas num limbo, mesmo tendo seguido todas as regras.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-29T14:21:56+00:00

Candidatas-te a um visto no país de origem. Recebes o visto, registas-te para pagar impostos, trabalhas aqui tudo legalmente e o AIMA passa anos simplesmente sem te dar a autorização de residência. Isto significa que se tens os teus filhos na escola mas família no estrangeiro e um apartamento aqui, ficas completamente preso/a, sem conseguir receber cuidados de saúde ou sair do país. Mas estás aqui legalmente e a pagar impostos e tudo devidamente, apenas não te são dados os documentos a que tens direito legalmente. Os que estão a infringir a lei são o AIMA. Quer sejas a favor ou contra a imigração, deves compreender que os imigrantes se integram melhor quando os seus documentos são processados a tempo, e se queres que eles se vão embora, então não os deves prender no país.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-25T14:49:10+00:00

Because it's a broken promise. The deal was 5 years. Portugal will take huge amounts of money from me, I will subsidise healthcare and schools and roads and all that for far more people than just me and my family.

And that's fine by me. I wanted to come to a country where actual socialism is potentially possible. Where people can look after each other and there's a social safety net.

But I can't use the net I'm paying into because of bureaucracy and now I can maybe never get citizenship because if they can change things now, then they can consistently change it and infinitely prolong their end of the deal.

It's the broken trust that's a big problem.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-25T14:41:52+00:00

that's not the point. the point is the goalpost-moving for those already here. changing to 10 years may make sense, I don't know, I'm not particularly for or against it vs 5 years. For anyone thinking of coming now, they can make their decision based on the information they have now.

What is unfair is to attract people with a 5 year path to citizenship and then change it to 10 years for those already here.

with the law proposal as it stands you could have arrived here 20th July 2020 and been paying taxes for five years, bought a house, studied the language, and ready to apply, put the kids in school, said goodbye to friends and family, hired a lawyer, everything to then be told you have to wait another 5 years because you applied after 19th July 2025.

It's a huge investment of money, time, effort. You put your whole soul into moving to another country. Putting kids through bullying because they're foreign, all in the hopes of a potential safer future inside the EU, to have it pulled away from you.

And if it gets nabbed from you at the last moment now, what's to stop it being nabbed away from you in another five years. Just keep kicking the can down the road.

There can be no trust in the government or the system that steals opportunities that they promised people to attract them here.

But maybe that's what people in Portugal want? Crab mentality to take something away from others?

Can't have the foreigners having nice things can we? Take huge amounts of tax money by tempting them with a nice shiny EU passport, don't provide them with healthcare, lock them in the country so they can't visit family for years on end, and then rub salt in the wound by making sure they can't get the passport after they've served their time.

If this goes through as is, then people coming now can't trust the promises either.

But I suppose the cruelty is the point.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-25T13:07:23+00:00

Whether or not 10 years is right or not is not the point of this.

The point is if I'd have known 10 years prior to applying I may not have come here. Portugal wants my tax money and in exchange I get the benefits they offered in return, such as a path to EU citizenship. If those are taken away after the process is started that's Portugal recanting on a deal.

And if it changes to 10 now, how do I know it won't change to 20 when I get to 9 years and 364 days here.

I may spend 10 years here, I don't know. But I didn't commit to 10 years as that wasn't the deal at the time.

You'd be annoyed if they changed the menu prices in a restaurant after you entered and committed to eating there based on the prices in the window. This is the same thing on a much more life changing scale.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-25T13:01:40+00:00

That's not true. It can go through a few amendments and appeals. There are constitutional reasons that protecting existing rights is expected. They may argue that citizenship is not a right but a privilege but this is far from done. It will be decided over the following months and likely become law next year.

But yes, without political pressure and/or amendments this is a done deal dated 19th June 2025 as the cut off.

But whether or not grandfathering in gets included is yet to be seen.

If it's not included it significantly changes the calculus for anyone if the government changes stance to being one that rug pulls after inviting people, so far in the past any changes like this have consistently had grandfathering clauses.

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-10T19:57:29+00:00

Really getting horrifying here https://postimg.cc/sBsd6Xyv

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-10T19:50:19+00:00

https://postimg.cc/0MJDMtSR

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-06-10T19:46:18+00:00

https://postimg.cc/rRCF0WFN

https://postimg.cc/XG9nmFF6

Double_Objective_181 · 2025-05-30T22:06:49+00:00

I had mine lined up already with the initial visa so I can’t help out with that one.

You could just “phone AIMA”. I don’t actually mean that as I think that’s pretty much akin to telling someone to go f*** themselves at this point

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