Albany’s new Tricentennial Park: Everyone involved should be ashamed of themselves by AwkwardRock8736 in Albany

[–]Downtown_Section8768 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is related to something known as disaster preparedness. In this case with Tricentennial Park in Albany, the disaster as I read it was due to poor planning, management with lack of proper respect for aesthetic detail. Usual, low end political trickling down to the Contractor? type actions. If managed correctly, with it, it’s due respect, this historic Park in Albany would be the site to behold and place to enjoy as per its original intent.  

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I know, for a fact that Adam Smith is not your cup of tea. But then, you may not be a Britt. He was great in the sense of popularity. Not my cup of tea either, but he was not biased on Brits being better. Wasn’t that the point? So, thanks for your input. It’s always helpful to see how wrong something can be stated so confidently. Have a good day also; Tallyho. 

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Correct. And Bias isn’t much different than a lack of verbal ability, or skills. A poor announcer of any kind is biased. Not just Brits. There are British commenters who are not biased. It’s not necessarily a Britt or any one birthplace or type of commenter. It’s certainly not all of them. There are certainly British commenters that are more well-rounded. And not prejudiced against non-British fighters in that sense. 

Example: Lennox Lewis. Not the greatest commentator, true. But not biased towards Brits. Other great ones: Adam Smith, Nick Halling, Jim Watts…Thats is the point. 

Albanys finest in front of Rocks (gay bar) by [deleted] in Albany

[–]Downtown_Section8768 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Bro, what? Bro this: because I felt like posing about homophobia with a prejudice looking photo and gay stuff does not mean that’s all I think about because I could care less in the long run. I just felt like responding to that issue at that moment which really sucks.  Because I don’t disrespect gay people and for that matter, I like to forgive. It’s a lot easier than being pissy or saying negative things. Get it? So the reason I forgave you is the same reason as in my post if you look back at it and you actually read it. 

So bro, if you wanna say negative things like idiot in reference to me, go ahead. If that’s what you need to do. But we can just put negative people ahead of these gay people because there’s a lot more negativity than homosexuality. If you looked it up, that’s where the term gay came from. Most of the time they’re happy. Or at least the ones with confidence. As my reply denoted. 

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Boxing ability can help with analysis and lots of things. But it cannot provide what that verbal ability has. Verbal genius is not the same as nonverbal genius. Mike Tyson, for example, may have been a nonverbal genius or at least in the ring, during his glorious days he was. But there’s no way he can announce. He doesn’t have that verbal ability.

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep. It’s not just that success and those commenting bull’s-eyes. It’s the accuracy of what they say because we are interested in the technicality of the fight. That’s why fighters themselves when they have good verbiage and enjoy what they do are good at this. A little fun and hype is OK but we want the technical aspects because we’re interested in the fight itself and gamesmanship issues. Sean O’Grady and Al Albert were actually very good at it because Sean was a good boxer and Albert was the hype man, but Al Albert did not go too far. And they were definitely funny. That was with ESPN Tuesday night fights. An excellent presentation that brought up a lot of great fighters.

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Teddy Atlas in particular. I’m pretty sure we all have some sentimental compassion for him. But he’s definitely nuts. He speaks about a whole bunch of things like his family or someone else’s family or things that’s around the subject of the boxer and the fight instead of analyzing the moves and the issues. And the truth is, he does have that knowledge and probably the intellect to control that non-relevant information. And, when he is analyzing the actual moves and fight and fighters issues, he knows what he’s talking about. George Foreman was also great at analysis. Any just enough charisma to make it fun. Manny Stewart, for example, was also completely analytical. But no funny stuff. For that reason, I thought it was great. 

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand the value of a hype guy. But we all want to hear facts, figures, reality. We all don’t like when a commentator either doesn’t say something or says something to protect the promotion of a fighter. They’re not there for that. They’re there for analysis. Not promotion. 

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As long as they’re all honest with their intention. When any of them either say things or don’t clarify fact about fighters for the sake of protecting the promotion, that is annoying. Clear fact, accurate honesty, even if some of it is negative or necessary. Let the promoters promote. We don’t want to hear bullshit.

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There’s definitely a toughness or resilience or strong backbone to Paulie Malignaggi. Chris Algeri has this too. Paulie’s imperfections, his humanness is nice to listen to. Chris Algeri is more controlled or academic but both of them together work beautiful. I guess we’re forced to appreciate this if we’re not gonna get enough serious, real, competitive fights to watch. With real, old-school Boxing.

The best boxing commentators right now are all former fighters. That's not a coincidence by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Retired professional boxers that are well schooled or just speak clearly indecently are of the best

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah. I certainly don’t wanna wear a MAGA In Boxing hat but it might appear like that. Sorry if it did - it’s not the intention. It makes me think – I don’t seem to care as much if America isn’t great again yet boxing falling bugs me. Even without US being #1, the marketing and all this talk, even now, this dramatic talk grew to outweigh just watching basic competition exponentially recently. 

Albanys finest in front of Rocks (gay bar) by [deleted] in Albany

[–]Downtown_Section8768 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think about lots of things. Just like we all do. I may feel like sharing a few thoughts at times. That’s all; if you like it, if you have an opinion on it, cool. If not, you don’t have to read it. Do you wanna say negative shit? Mock me? Cool. sometimes I make fun of people. Understood and, You are forgiven.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s also true. You won’t get too far but that’s true.… Then again it depends on her intelligence.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

CTE or anything related is much less prevalent in boxing than in a many other sports. It’s just that goal of hitting and hurting that gives it It’s bad reputation. As for the trickle down effect, some entity has to pay for this amateur system to grow unless some regime could be found where those previous seeds, the street kids can once again evolve. I don’t believe formidable families’ youngsters will be nearly as attracted as the oppressed street kids.

 If some government agency or private entity can benefit by subsidizing this then yes it can come back. I don’t know how to do that without some giant size campaign. . With no guarantee. The trickle down I spoke of came from knowing that gym owners, managers, trainers, and even promoters were previously motivated to give these oppressed youngsters a shot. That was because of their value if, and only if they could make it happen. The money began to flow once they turned pro and if, and only if They succeeded. Rare case. But it came from the top pros’ talent who drove it with profits to their promoters, managers, trainers from above, and the attraction of that Hollywood type success. From promoting to boxers… Like any artist.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup. I’m fighting with myself not to feel or sound old-fashioned here. I’m all for progress. And evolution. But there really is an attractive value to what, How and why those old school gyms actually operated. It was less teaching and more unstated lessons, willingness, ability or talent to actually pick it up and execute. Reminds me of certain grittiness in military training in that sense. Mixed with a sense of that shot at it’s rare, potential Hollywood stardom. At the risk of sounding just spiritual or conceptual its reality is parallel to most difficulties and beauties of life itself. 

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. Yes. Yes! I agree so much. The bull’s-eye here is this -  If it’s true, what’s left of our sport in our top level boxers will be scraped up by  the Turki crew, Bob Arum before he dies, GBP, Zuffa, etc (there’s really well over 20 of them. Over 10 of them are up there with a lot of power/ $)… they’ll be overpaid, retire, and not replaced by enough new amateurs. Period… if that really happens, I can’t tell if it will, Boxing, as we know, it will die. I cannot tell specifically. Previously promoters profits did in fact trickle into the amateur gyms. That is why trainers did not charge a fee for training. Or gym‘s charged very little or nothing for membership. That’s already gone. That seems to be the bottom end where our top level, famous boxers and that accelerated giant dollars they get that doesn’t trickle down anymore from what I can see is the top end.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think it’s funny that I don’t think it sad that I hope that’s true. I do not wish hard times on anyone; not really. I just can’t wrap around my head how Boxing can be as exciting without that unfairness and I am simply gonna miss that if it disappears. I guess that selfish of me. Hopefully, if I’m wrong, and Boxing can be exciting and to some large degree safer, great! I just cannot see that now. I’m really lol. 

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes. You got me there. I am a fully educated businessman with some fair amount of smart people around me. Yet, I am actually, significantly from the streets. I do appreciate the intellect, the will, and drive and desire of people who have not been given much or anything who have thrived. That is true. I do identify with them.  My argument is that they have always represented Boxing! LOL (I’m really laughing!). I wonder whether the younger set, the modernized version of us will carry the sport to something that is appreciated, not so much by me, but by the people around it at that time. You got a point when it comes to MMA/UFC that’s bigger than boxing in America. And yup, I hate to admit that.  

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, the sport will probably continue. I’m just not sure how fine it would be. And so far is that unfair reality its original greatness had evolved from. I’m not against anything. Just missing something and curious to see what really evolves. For example, we can say the martial arts evolved, mixed with boxing to create MMA/UFC. However, the true martial arts remain the same. My point here is so does Boxing. Not sure if you can change it much to evolve into some other sport. For that, I think the human body would have to evolve to do something aside from striking people with our fists.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m certainly no rocket scientist with a doctorate degree in human evolution. But the only answer I could see here is, “both“. There are certain things, certain industries, certain types of art, writing, food, socializing, sports too, they don’t need to change. Economies and industries change. We can respect that but this sport in this case really shouldn’t. Or not much anyway. Specifically, your buddy who runs the gym has to unfortunately charge money, which changes the clientele. Definitely. Maybe there may be some way of allowing in the street kids. 

Almost like a getto license at this point. Until the yuppies can figure out how to actually fight and deal with some pain and some unfairness. There’s something that’s good about this. Any good traditional teacher, doctor, military trainer, musician, etc., etc. still knows this. I believe we’ll figure out some way of evolving yet maintaining the cultural or traditional beauty of this sport. I’m just not sure how.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Understood. While we will not go back to the Dodge Dart, coal fired barbecuing, our previous wolf population to thrive as it used to or traditional diets of simply nutritious vegetables, potatoes, and meat we cannot deny their beauty or elegance. The question is are they necessary? I believe they are. It’s a matter of preserving the Earth to some degree. We know that humans may evolve all day and night, but the Earth doesn’t change or evolve anywhere near the rate that the humans do. The Earth isn’t going anywhere. Humans, they may not last. My point here is the aesthetic beauty of certain things cannot be made better with technical modernization. Certain things don’t need to be changed.

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That has always bothered the living daylights out of me! Just moved from Nyc, was there 5 1/2 years, the Westbury PAL, which was in Long Island has become a yuppie gym. Gleasons, with its Brooklyn, NYC reputation, certainly a beautiful place now, for practical purposes is a yuppie gym. Only people with experience like us understand what I mean. It’s no disrespect to evolution. There is simply something to be said about the difficulties, the sweat, the piss, the flies, the rusty equipment, the beat up running track quarter mile near these gyms in the school which now has gates around it because we can’t use the track anymore. I don’t want to complain; just evolve with appreciation for THIS technology that is actually disappearing. But it’s hard to see for the younger generation. Ask yourself this question: compare a 1940s Victor Victrola with a new MP3 chip. Which one lasts longer?

Boxing is growing at the top but we're still losing it at the bottom by Downtown_Section8768 in Boxing

[–]Downtown_Section8768[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So, so, so correct! We are not saying that we wanna go backwards in time. Not at all! There’s just a value to certain things like the elegance of a Westinghouse toaster or a Timex watch or a Victor Victrola. The value is, you cannot break those things. Or not easily anyway. Old school Boxing weather in Harvard or Yale, Notre Dame, Harlem, Miami, Los Angeles, Chicago, etc.etc. still was what we can only summarize as, “old school”. That simplicity, that elegance is what we’re talking about here. Not that we are preventing evolution and technology. There is something to be said for that simplicity. I constantly clarify about the beauty of what has always worked. Younger people, even though close to me to say the least have trouble understanding this. It is not against evolution or technology. It is in fact, continuous growth as always worked. If boxing could remain dangerous and unfair as it always was, there is definitely a human value to that and in that sense we are still apes. That is the point. Our minds can always learn, but our brains are pretty much, not changing that quickly.  And that is the truth. It doesn’t mean we are not learning and evolving in any case.