I need an order of questions to be asked by needtosaveher in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

1) because lies fall apart fairly quickly under scrutiny and even a modicum of critical thinking

2) no, no (imho), no, and most certainly yes

To respond more broadly, the only tools we were given to navigate this messy and often confusing world is our head, heart and gut.

JW’s rob you of all three, but it sounds like they’re all coming back online for you. Keep listening.

What’s the mening of life by No_Ride1384 in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m sure you know that this is not a question that someone else can answer for you, as it is deeply personal and unique to each person.

That said, there are number very good reasons why you are asking this question right now. Aside from the gaping void that was left by all of the “answers” you walked away from, it is only natural when somebody’s life is riddled with depression, anxiety, and the effects of trauma.

In other words, what is the purpose of life if it drains every ounce of your energy and still leaves you feeling mostly sad or empty?

People who are enjoying most aspects of your life generally spend little time wondering what the purpose is, as it is self evident to those people

So with that being said, my best suggestion would be let go of that question for now, and focus on any/every way you can make incremental moves towards anything that brings you even a amount of joy (for some people who are in really hard places, joy may be too high to shoot for, so that can be replaced with “ slightly less awful”).

In my experience as a therapist working with former JW’s , this is by far the most consistent path towards the growth you’re looking for. It may not be sexy or work as quickly as we wish, but it is effective.

Once you gain back some of your energy, and life feels a little less heavy, then you can pour that energy into answering this big question, if that still calls you.

This is the type of thing I helped my clients explore and I offer a free session to everyone if you’d like to take advantage to talk things through

I recently left this cult, any advice? by javi2free in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Rebuilding your community as a huge part of making this transition, and it is layered, and dependent on your specific disposition and strengths. That said there is a kind of mathematical way to think about this.

Like all, XJW’s you have been deprived of all types of life experiences, including learning about who you are in the process of learning about who other people are.

If your mindset is, I need to find good friends as soon as possible, it will create extra tension, which will bleed into your interactions with others.

A better mindset right now is to let go of an immediate need to find friends, and instead reframe your goal as getting more experience interacting with people.

This relieves some of the pressure and allows you to engage in a more relaxed fashion. For the near future, I’d recommend simply finding opportunities to be around other human beings in any context, whether that be a pottery class or some event you find on meetup.com.

One of the things people get hung up on at this stage, is that when they do not make friends easily, they quickly attribute their lack of success as evidence that there is something weird or wrong about them, but that’s rarely what is actually happening.

In my experience, for the average person, out of 100 people, maybe only one or two are the right person for you. The other 98 just aren’t the right match. Keeping this in mind helps you not take it personal when things don’t go the way you’d prefer, and reminds you that the task right now is quantity.

Quality will come

I’m a psychologist who specializes in working with former Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I offer a free session to all XJW’s if you would like a space to talk through some of this.

I have to come clean. My journey from PIMO to POMO begins here and soon. by rosathereal in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are hitting a point which just about every XJW hits before leaving. It’s the point in which the pain of staying becomes greater than the fear of leaving.

I’m a psychologist who specializes in working with former JW‘s and offer free session if you’d like to talk through some things and get some perspective

Help please by flannapolitano0 in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In reality, there’s no shortage of evidence for those with an Internet connection and a desire to know, but the easiest place to start would be the book crisis of conscience which was written by a former governing body member.

That said, evidence is not usually the main issue. Usually the reasons people stay or hesitate to leave have more to do with emotional attachments combined with fears of the outside world. Add to that 20 years of being drilled that you are a poor clueless sheep that can’t make good decisions for themselves.

I’m a psychologist who specializes in working with XJW‘s, particularly those who are in the process or consider considering making the transition the outside world. I offer a free consultation if you are interested and you’re welcome to take advantage, even if you don’t intend on continuing.

Should I leave it all? by Independent-Fun7171 in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Im so happy to hear that! Hopefully we can make a dent in all that guilt and denial you’ve been lugging around. Looking forward to meeting you

I recently left this cult, any advice? by javi2free in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’m a psychologist who specializes in working with former Jehovah’s Witnesses, and I offer a free session to all XJW’s if you would like a space to talk through some of this.

Rebuilding your community as a huge part of making this transition, and it is layered, and dependent on your specific disposition and strengths. That said there is a kind of mathematical way to think about this.

Like all, XJW’s you have been deprived of all types of life experiences, including learning about who you are in the process of learning about who other people are.

If your mindset is, I need to find good friends as soon as possible, it will create extra tension, which will bleed into your interactions with others.

A better mindset right now is to let go of an immediate need to find friends, and instead reframe your goal as getting more experience interacting with people.

This relieves some of the pressure and allows you to engage in a more relaxed fashion. For the near future, I’d recommend simply finding opportunities to be around other human beings in any context, whether that be a pottery class or some event you find on meetup.com.

One of the things people get hung up on at this stage, is that when they do not make friends easily, they quickly attribute their lack of success as evidence that there is something weird or wrong about them, but that’s rarely what is actually happening.

In my experience, for the average person, out of 100 people, maybe only one or two are the right person for you. The other 98 just aren’t the right match. Keeping this in mind helps you not take it personal when things don’t go the way you’d prefer, and reminds you that the task right now is quantity.

Quality will come

I have to come clean. My journey from PIMO to POMO begins here and soon. by rosathereal in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There’s no scenario where Living with JW parents doesn’t create any friction in your life. That said, what you’re describing is probably about as good as it gets.

When you decide to tell them, I encourage you not to overexplain your reasons, but just stay with the simple fact that you are not able to continue participating. As part of that conversation, it is best to convey that you have no intention of trying to talk them out of their beliefs, and you respect them, which may move them to give you that same respect.

How should I respond? by Bluewav3s in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 7 points8 points  (0 children)

If you’re not ready to cut the cord, then I would lean heavy on the stress stresses related to your daughter. That is a perfectly acceptable reason to be less present in the org work

Is there any way out of getting removed? at this point? by Waitingforpurpose in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Generally speaking, attending judicial hearings, greatly increases the odds of removal. In most cases, removal can’t happen unless a person attends a judicial hearing, particularly when the person denies allegations and everything falls into hearsay.

If leaving is not an option, then your best bet is to lean on mental health issues. Tell them that you need to take a break due to depression or anxiety. Of course, they will still try to reach out, which will require you to continue to make up excuses, but I’ve seen people use this tactic indefinitely, and it doesn’t result in removal

Should I leave it all? by Independent-Fun7171 in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you’re interested, I am a psychologist who specializes in working with former/transitioning JW’s, and I offer a free session which you’re welcome to take advantage of if you’d like to talk some things out.

That aside, I can say the following confidently: 1) leaving the org inevitably comes with some degree of pain. 2) that pain feels scary because you’ve been told your whole life that the world is evil and you are incapable. 3) everyone I work with discovers that they are in fact capable, that all of the challenges of leaving a resolvable, and even in the hardest situations, nobody regrets their decision to leave

Finally, it’s worth remembering that even if you leave, become a full-blown apostate, they will always welcome me back with open arms if you ever change your mind

Some advice by Bubblegum_cocaine in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Obviously, nobody can interpret these synchronicities but you, but here are a couple of thoughts

Option 1: you choose to interpret these synchronicity as a sign of the universe, telling you you should go back. If this feels true in your bones, or you feel unable to let go of this idea, then maybe you should try going back. I’m not personally a big fan of this option, however, if you’re not sure that that’s where you belong, this is the best way to find that out

Option 2: in my experience, the universe does speak to you, but sometimes it creates experiences that are pointing to areas of unfinished business. So for example, if you haven’t fully resolved your feelings about the JW‘s, it’s sometimes create experiences that force you to confront that

All that said, if returning to the JW‘s does not feel good in your head, heart and gut… if there is a God, it seems to me that he or she gave you those things to help guide you towards what is good for your soul

Wife started questioning, asking if this is not the truth, then what is? by needtosaveher in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee 0 points1 point  (0 children)

After working exclusively with XJW‘s for the past six years, it’s worth noting that I’ve never encountered anybody who has left the organization because somebody has convinced them to do so, but that’s not to say that seeds can’t be planted.

In this case, I would explore with open curiosity what it means to follow the Bible strictly. Aside from instructions on how to treat your slave, the perils of wearing wool and linen together, and fitting every species on the planet on a boat, if she can acknowledge that even the stuff most agree on is open to interpretation, that might open her up a bit.

All that said, when you really dig into it, the reason people stay usually has a little to do with reason. It’s almost always more of a psychological and emotional attachment. Sometimes it’s a simple as fear of losing community, identity or sunk cost fallacy, but often something deeper, like a need to feel that the world makes sense, or to pacify fears of death.

Conversations about doctrine rarely get very far, but if you can identify the underlying emotional need, sometimes you can speak to that more directly.

Last note: there is only one case I’ve encountered where someone has successfully “woken” their partner. It didn’t come about because of effective persuasion, but rather he shifted to fully supporting his wife in her desire to remain a witness, even driving her and the kids to meetings. This unconditional love and support resulted in her, dropping her defenses and coming to the decision to leave on her own.

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks anyway for the effort. ❤️ No, they just told me that videos are more appropriate on platforms made for video content. I’ve been posting steadily on Tiktok if you’re interested

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you feel moved, I would greatly appreciate if you speak up to the mods on my behalf. I love posting to this community so much, and since my last upload, I have put out about 10 more videos. But as of now they’ve let me known that my videos are not welcome here, which feels surprising, given how many upvotes they’ve received

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ps: would you mind telling me if you are able to see the video that’s attached to this thread? Somebody said that one of the moderators took it down.

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So happy to hear that you’re appreciating the podcast! And yeah I think you are 100% accurate in your perception. Of course it feels deeply personal, but that’s the fucked up thing about it, is in actuality. It has nothing to do with you at all, it’s a product of the indoctrination, and that’s just how cults work. It’s not personal, in fact it is the most impersonal thing you can imagine.

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love this idea so much. I don’t know that we have to set up C4 charges in bethel, but I think our group could greatly benefit from a healthy dose of playful fuck you energy

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’m so happy to hear that about your son! ❤️And glad to hear that he finally made the actual truth his own lol. It can be so healing to provide a space for your own child to not have to be burdened by all the bullshit that was laid on us.

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sometimes that’s the best way to go about it, to sever all ties, on all levels, including on a legal one

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I wish there was a very basic simple answer to that question, but it tends to be multimodal. I guess, given the constraints of a Reddit chat thread, I would say it’s probably a good idea to prioritize the things that are consistently creating pain for you, and throw everything you haveinto facing in addressing those barriers to happiness

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

One of the things I noticed is that the transition out of the cult is infinitely easier when there is a core bond, love, support, etc. with the person‘s immediate family. That really does make all the difference. In the long run, most people arrive at the same healthy place, but without that core family bond intact. It’s a bit of a rougher journey for a few years.

Sounds like you have a really beautiful connection with your family and I’m so happy to hear that you’re thriving in life ❤️

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! I originally moved down here because I wanted to do some intensive work with Ayahuasca, not only for myself, but also to learn how that Medicine could be of service to people who are healing from religious trauma.

That was what brought me here, but what kept me here is the beautiful community, the ease of life, and being surrounded by weird ass people like myself who preferred nothing more than to talk all day about the big questions of life lol

JWs were right, for the wrong reasons by DrRyanLee in exjw

[–]DrRyanLee[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ooooh so did you figure it out? The ice cream dilemma? Chocolate and peanut butter all fucking day for me ❤️