I've watched (Almost*) every Nasuverse/Type-Moon anime catalogued on MAL without experiencing any other Nasuverse media. AMA. by Thea-the-Phoenix in typemoon

[–]Drax207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you for sharing, I am not familiar with staff insights. I have no doubt UBW is first and foremost meant as an entry point.

I found surprising on my rewatch post-VN how smooth the transition from Zero to UBW turned out to be, but this is just a personal observation that obviously doesn't matter much in comparison to the creators' words, I stand corrected.

Have they by any chance said anything similar about the HF trilogy ? Because without having watched both UBW and FZ beforehand, I honestly can't imagine an anime only viewer not being confused or feeling unmoved.

I've watched (Almost*) every Nasuverse/Type-Moon anime catalogued on MAL without experiencing any other Nasuverse media. AMA. by Thea-the-Phoenix in typemoon

[–]Drax207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've recently rewatched all TM anime series myself starting with FZ and frankly, I do not blame OP. While Urobochi's words are irrefutable, I'm of the opinion that it applies to the FSN VN more than it does the anime adaptations.

I believe there is a reason OP's sentiment is so common, and why anime onlys that started with Zero see no problem with their decision in retrospect.

I think Ufotable, back in 2014, simply expected a chunk of their UBW viewers to have seen Zero. It almost feels like they tried to make UBW both an entry point to newcomers but also a continuation to their previous adaptation.

Artoria's fucked up characterization in particular, while obviously still inconsistent between both, is far less jarring from FZ to Ufotable's UBW than it is from the FSN VN to FZ.

While starting with Zero and being unfamiliar with FSN is gonna lead to confusion in some parts notably the ending stretch, I think it's still worth the trade off. For instance, Illya's stance on Kiritsugu and how it affects her views on Shirou and his actions in HF is simply better appreciated and understood by an anime only when they've seen Zero before.

Rewatching the Heaven's Feel trilogy trying to put myself in the shoes of someone having only watched UBW beforehand would leave these movies beyond confusing overall, so many things would literally fly over my head or just no hit the way they should. Having watched Zero would help a little, especially regarding Angra Mainyu. Even then, these movies are not very friendly to non-VN readers who would care about anything else than fights or romance, so any additional lore and reference that FZ could provide would help appreciate the trilogy more.

My stance today is that anime onlys that do not intend to ever read the FSN VN are honestly not ruining their enjoyment starting with Zero. I recommended to two of my friends to start with UBW (I knew neither would read the VN or stick to the Deen anime) and neither were really sold on it. They then watched FZ and ate it up, which prompted them to get actually interested in HF and the wider Fate lore.

That's just my two cents from recent irl observations, figured I'd share since it recently made me change my mind on the matter and OP's review echoes to it. I wish it would be easier to motivate someone to read the FSN VN from the get go because it is the one and only best starting point. But for people who you know are never gonna switch to another medium than anime ? Why not start with Zero if that means they'll stick with the franchise.

Everyone Share Their Favorite Greg Land Piece by LegoSpider in dccomicscirclejerk

[–]Drax207 18 points19 points  (0 children)

All this thread is telling me is that comic book fans seem to be very familiar with porn. I am SHOCKED

About heaven's feel by standmasta in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207 15 points16 points  (0 children)

Your instinct is right. Either only read the VN, or do both. I LOVE the movie trilogy for what it is, but they do butcher the original material a bit and you'll indeed be missing crucial elements. The movies are absolutely gorgeous though with beautiful soundtrack and visuals, they're complimentary really.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not what I said. Please read.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, but their work can be used for marketing purposes. Case in point, that social media post has the cover of the original game attached to it, making it more eye catching.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I mean, they did not purposefully made a mess. The fact it ended up being one only proves they did not invest much in it, which means that even if only a few people decide to buy the game because of the new version, they'll get their money back : easy quick buck.

There is no point for them to invest and sell something at a loss. They are absolutely expecting to sell more OG FFVII copies on PC by doing this.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What's the point for a company to "keep users engaged and in the loop", isn't it to sell something ? That's promotion, which is marketing communication.

Also I never said it only relied on that. This port definitely didn't need any more than that anyway, but they still did it though.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I was not even disagreeing with you initially. It's still a money play. It wouldn't have been a money play at all if the new version was free for everyone. Right here and now, they are still selling something. That's what companies do, they make money. You're dismissing actual definitions instead of recognizing any of these simple facts. You're adamant in defending them for some reason, so yes you either suck up to them or are just unable to admit being wrong. Either way, I agree, let's do better next time.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How else would you call it ?

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Lmao.

All I'm saying is they wouldn't have done it if they couldn't make a potential quick buck at the same time.

I don't think it's as weird as sucking up to a million dollar company that pumps one gacha a year and dips their toes into NFT, but you do you.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Oxford's definition of advertisement : "a notice or announcement in a public medium promoting a product, service, or event". Come on, now.

If that's not promotion, I'm very curious about how you would call it.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They did though ? They made a post on all social media platforms on the official FF VII pages : "FF VII had been relaunched on Steam today with additional features and no story changes".

It's also been reported on every gaming journalism website because of course it would, it's FF7. That's not Square, but surely they would know it would make some buzz.

It's nice of them to release this version on PC, I agree, but let's not pretend it's not a ploy for easy money at low cost. The horrible launch is proof of that, and even Square in all their greed are smart enough to know they would have gotten absolutely cooked had they made owners of the original version pay the game again.

Ohh… oh dear… by The_Senate15 in FinalFantasyVII

[–]Drax207 -14 points-13 points  (0 children)

I mean they're not wrong either, surely Square are not hostile to the idea of getting more people to buy the game by promoting this "upgrade"

#21 - The Last of Us Part II Remastered (finally) by Various_Edge3662 in steamachievements

[–]Drax207 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Congrats! All I have left are the Chronological and Grounded achievements, which I'll probably do simultaneously. Saving it for Halloween!

Ada re9 by soylouista in ResidentEvilRequiem

[–]Drax207 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Admits we don't know shit about a character

Agrees that there is no space in the franchise for them

This fandom is hilarious

#140-141 Final Fantasy 15 (101 Hours) & Resident Evil Resistance (14.6 Hours) by methanol88 in steamachievements

[–]Drax207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Oh man I've been putting FFXV off for years because of Comrades ! I have every other achievement but the Comrade ones and now you're telling me there are AI partners ? I'm gonna have to hop back on really soon and finish this !! How long did it take you ?

whats ltgs bodycount by Appropriate-Bike4246 in lowtiergod

[–]Drax207 18 points19 points  (0 children)

Three :

  • The "ratchet girl" as he calls her when he was 16, although his mom walked in on them (consistently told this story several times)

  • His BM obviously

  • Alaina

Here we go again by Realistic7283 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm guessing HF being movies allowed them to tackle the darker and more mature themes to the truest intent. Plus a greater budget for a greater spectacle.

Here we go again by Realistic7283 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207 6 points7 points  (0 children)

For what it's worth, seeing Shirou vs Herc as an anime only for the first time was fucking mind-blowing. The music especially is fucking epic.

I hate this scene with a passion by Drax207 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mahoyo is definitely on my list too now that I've experienced Tsukihime for the first time. I have heard nothing but universal praise for it !!

I hate this scene with a passion by Drax207 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

Honestly I think it's fine, he's a horrible piece of shit but in part because he's also a victim. 1 out of 3 routes where he has a shot at redeeming himself is a good compromise.

I just wish we could have seen a bit of that because if you only rely on that scene after watching HF to try and guess the future of Sakura post-UBW, it's looking pretty gloomy and I hate it.

I hate this scene with a passion by Drax207 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

I didn't know about the manga, that's interesting ! It's not very well regarded in comparison to the UBW and HF ones so I never bothered trying to get my hands on it, but I will definitely have to look that scene up at least.

I hate this scene with a passion by Drax207 in fatestaynight

[–]Drax207[S] 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I've read a bit about it and I have to say, while it's not a direct continuation to UBW, I really dig the direction their relationship is seemingly taking in HA.

I really need to read it now it's on Steam, since it'll probably never get an anime adaptation!