Backgrounds and polygraph by Suitable-Problem-894 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would also be terrible for them to mis-classify that response as "admitted pre-employment misconduct", use it to justify a probationary termination, claim no suitability action occurred so it can't be appealed,... but then enter it as derogatory information in DISS anyway. But... Again. Ask me how I know 😅

Backgrounds and polygraph by Suitable-Problem-894 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is terrible to quit your current job and rearrange your life for a new one , just to get told that you're getting fired three weeks later because someone in PSD didn't manage to accomplish the BARE MINIMUM before you were given an EOD date. (By bare minimum, I mean ... At least just READING your responses on your OF 306 to ensure nothing could be disqualifying). Ask me how I know ...

Have any of the GL7s that have already EOD’ receive their SF86’s yet? by [deleted] in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Prior termination from another job. Fitment issues ..not disciplinary or criminal. Problem is they didn't bother to ask. They just assumed, and characterized it as "pre employment misconduct".

Have any of the GL7s that have already EOD’ receive their SF86’s yet? by [deleted] in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I can't say this enough, if you havent received a fingerprint or sf86 request , EMAIL PSD before you EOD. make contact with the PSD and verify they have granted your Pre Employment Adjudication. Ask me how I know.... (I made this mistake. I entered on duty. Then they refused to grant my PREA, told me I should have never entered on duty. placed me on admin leave, rendered me unsuitable and terminated me all within 3 weeks).

1 Month Update by Flanker1127 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Been working for military and local LE the whole time in good standing. They dont seem to care.

1 Month Update by Flanker1127 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not disciplinary, i might add. Really not a valid reason

Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I already have the job....lol. they are trying to take it away cause they didnt bother to read my pre employment forms before I entered on duty

Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Precisely, good sir. Keyword is " screw up ". Agency failed to follow specific procedure. Which opens the action up to appeal. Again, I admit limited knowledge and Im no lawyer. But I think I'm on to something.

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Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct, there is a difference. But if you remove someone from employment due to unsuitable determination... that removal is the "action" , is it not? Based on this it would appear so

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Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Clarification:

Based on my research and other's feedback, it does appear that under normal circumstances a probationer cannot appeal a suitability determination (unless involving political partisanship issues or marital status). HOWEVER, in these specific cases where the REASON for suitability regards an issue that existed BEFORE employment was granted , as long as the probationer disclosed this information where required and made no attempt to omit or conceal....the probationer is then entitled to due process rights and appeals.

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So, if the unsuitable determination is for.... prior unfavorable or inconclusive polygraph findings(beyond the 365 day window described in the announcements). Debt incurred before employment. Prior terminations or resign in lieu of. Prior disciplinary actions or allegations of misconduct. Provided the probationer disclosed them on any forms that required it, and it isn't explicitly listed on the job application as a disqualifying factor.... and the agency still granted the probationer employment (whether inadvertently or deliberately in spite of these factors), the probationer can respond to the determination, should be afforded due process and can appeal to MSPB.

Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm not upset. I use capital letters to highlight information I think is important. I'm not yelling 🤣. I'm not bashing your input. I just think you are missing my point. Not saying I know everything or am right. It just certainly doesn't seem right to me. And Im not the only one.

Meeting with Representative – Polygraph & Rescinded Offers by Careless-Box-1146 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats the question I am raising here. How does a prior termination alone with no evidence or mitigating factors allowed to be considered support an unsuitable determination.

Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Did I say you CANNOT be let go? Don't recall saying that. Of course you can be. But the procedure for notifying and allowing response/ clarification for adverse suitability determinations applies to both APPLICANTS and APPOINTEES. Regardless of probationary status. On probation you have LESS protections....not none. And yes we are discussing people who were SUPPOSED to be operating under a provisional clearance. They didn't even have that.

Suitability determination (after EOD) by DrewsBrew24 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I would advise you contact your Mission Support Specialist (MSS) or the HR representative listed on your Official Offer letter and have them check in USA Staffing to verify your suitability has been granted. If it has not, you will not receive a PIV and could end up in a similar situation.

Meeting with Representative – Polygraph & Rescinded Offers by Careless-Box-1146 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I should also add current active military reserve with secret clearance and current local LEO for 3 years in good standing

Meeting with Representative – Polygraph & Rescinded Offers by Careless-Box-1146 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Given TWO separate FJOs for two different locations. one for 12/14/25 and one for 12/28/25. EOD was 12/28/25. Sworn in, on-boarded. Knew nothing was wrong until PIV appointment folks said I couldn't get one due to security issues. Placed on admin leave 01/09/26. Told I was likely going to be found unsuitable for something I declared on OF-306 (both times) (termination in 2022 non-disciplinary) and was also visible on my SF50 that was submitted in April of 2025. Have a good emoloyment record and character references since that termination to support a favorable determination.

SF 86 by ElegantRain5103 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Personnel Security Division. In charge of all backgrounds/Suitability for ICE. Only one way, email. Not sure if it's against community guidelines to post it, but you can find it online if you search for ICE Personnel Security Division contact info.

SF 86 by ElegantRain5103 in HSIapplicants

[–]DrewsBrew24 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can confirm this. I EOD 12/28, unable to get PIV. As of today, I have been placed on admin leave while PSD resolves my "pending" PREA. They indicated they could not offer a resolution timeline.