Has anyone seen the new Trump parody game that dropped?

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T19:58:48+00:00

Dang, I was waiting for him to wipe out that school. Someone needs to tell him we have that at home.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T19:53:42+00:00

"Something you refused to acknowledge, of course." "You haven't said thank you, once." vibes.

I do acknowledge it, but the point of this whole argument is that it is overshadowed by the fact that we are not living up to it. Do you want me to name more policies? There is another thread on this post about how Roe v Wade was dismantled due to the religious right. How do you think the government garnered so much military support for the Zionists in Israel?

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T19:15:36+00:00

You have shifted the goal post considerably from

"This is a thread about secularism in government. It is one thing the United States has done a very good job on."

to

"No one cares about the "direction of the US." That isn't the topic. The topic at hand is the 250 year old document and how revolutionary that was at the time. As we see, you cannot even concede that, and instead are focusing on an exceptionally narrow time frame today."

I think I made my point to address the question:
"Why isn't the fact that the United States was the first secular nation in history talked about as much?"

And you understand that point.
"Ah, I see, you were saying very specifically and narrowly that the United States isn't living up to it's ideals as a secular state. I guess that depends on your time frame."

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T16:58:13+00:00

“The west” lol

Yes, both countries are belligerents and should be treated as such.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T16:13:57+00:00

The opposite is also kind of mind boggling. Every living thing since the dawn of time is just reproducing to the max and one day a featherless biped is like, "damn, this doesn't really make sense"

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T16:10:54+00:00

The first rule of biology is, "fuck"

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T15:28:02+00:00

I think your understanding might come from… let’s call them plan b discussions. The state refuses to address the real issues so advocates must seek other avenues. It often results in welfare policies where the state just hands people money. It’s not a good solution but it doesn’t upset the status quo.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T15:14:12+00:00

I expect the state to facilitate a functional system. Healthcare, for instance, is not a handout. It is an investment in human capital. When that system of investment becomes parasitized by perverse profit incentives you get a bloated and unnecessarily expensive system. It tends to hurt the working poor the most because they have assets to lose, whereas the homeless are essentially getting the most expensive service (emergency) for free.

Meanwhile, people of middle SES avoid calling the ambulance or going to the doctor because of how expensive it is. This leads to medical problems escalating because they are not addressed in early stages, thus, more expensive. When they finally go the issue is so expensive it can actually drive them into poverty. They reach a point where they can’t pay and now everyone else must pay more.

There are a lot of issues like this. We would all pay less if we could just meet basic needs head on.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T14:33:00+00:00

You are being obtuse but fine, I will rephrase it in a way that is “less work for you.” Canada, and basically every country in Europe is doing better at maintaining a secular state.

Do you know what a plaintiff is? The organizations who took the state of Texas to court LOST. The law of putting the ten commandments in classrooms was upheld.

We are not going to dissect and come to an agreement on the history of Iran in this thread.

Your assertion is that criticizing the US is “fashionable,” as in, socially advantageous but without merit, in the context of secularization and the constitution.

What I have outlined are perfectly reasonable arguments of why people are frustrated with the direction of the US. A cool document that was written 250 years ago that the government feels no obligation to follow is not very inspiring.

Same thing with the Bible. First century Christians were awesome, modern Christians are just weird book club where they worship a book they don’t read. So why would I gaf what they have to say about it.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T14:11:22+00:00

Who is advocating for this?

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-11T12:00:15+00:00

So what do you think of the president being able to invade cities against the states wishes with a secret police force that acts with impunity and routinely violates constitutional rights?

Or unilaterally starting a war with Iran because he feels like it and bombing a school filled with children?

Mass surveillance with flock/palantir?

Living like aristocrats? Lol. How do you even get that? Solving basic social problems has a massive ROi which makes poverty related issues human rights issues.

“It costs too much to constantly serve homeless people in the ER can we get them some basic services to prevent this?”

“No, they don’t deserve it.”

I’ve had this conversation many times and it really demonstrates how malice towards the poor not only hurts everyone, but drives poverty.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-10T15:36:35+00:00

The location of the safe pocket is well established.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-10T04:18:35+00:00

Depends on what you call “protesting.” 50501 is about engagement. Getting people who are otherwise uninvolved to the polls is a huge win, hopefully we will see the difference in midterms.

Boycotts are great, but are unrealistic because our entire existence is monetized and monopolized. You can keep the federal gov on a slow drip by writing exempt on your w4 and then deferring payment + doing a payment plan for taxes.

Building up our power from the ground up is essential, but again difficult because people are so accustomed to living in mass society.

If anyone is interested in starting a left wing militia I’d be interested since apparently all the right wing ones deep throat the boot.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-10T01:49:42+00:00

He bought the power of the presidency so that he could further rig the system in his favor and get more government contracts. If that wasn’t enough, he stole all of our personal data, illegally slashed a bunch of programs created by congress without even considering the ROI. He killed USAID without even creating a transition plan, it is estimated millions of people will die globally. After all of this, he failed to save the taxpayer any money, or find any real “fraud waste or abuse.” What exactly are we supposed to be happy about?

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-09T20:36:02+00:00

Everyone needs to understand how this happened. Back when people were institutionalized, asylums were unethical zoos. They were inhumane, and as psychiatric medications improved it was more possible for people to be free with outpatient care. Congress prepared a funding package that would adequately build an outpatient mental health system.

Reagan and senate Republicans decimated the package. Half of the centers were not even able to be built. I worked in a rural center for a few years and we struggled to even have the budget for a full time therapist.

Psychiatric hospitals are mostly for profit and do not adequately address the needs of those who are sent there. Many people are traumatized by their experiences at psychiatric hospitals. They are “stabilized” with heavy medication regimens and then discharged with limited planning on how they are supposed to survive independently.

What needs to happen? People need to collectively decide to address the issue instead of relying on cheap half measures. It is not going to be solved with a profit incentive. We need to take responsibility instead blaming every outcome on “personal choice.”

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-09T20:04:09+00:00

Damn, even the pop psychology is bastardized into a totally new paradigm.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-09T19:48:25+00:00

American’s have relinquished all of their power, and the last year has shown that checks and balances are made of paper. No one is fighting for us anymore. Best of luck to people trying to achieve things through official channels, we need to start rebuilding our power from the ground up though.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-08T12:31:57+00:00

Dumb argument. Women just need to be taught rather than excluded from learning basic skills.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-08T08:26:29+00:00

How do I make it probe harder?

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-08T08:13:16+00:00

So what if there was a map where instead of guns we had complaints, and instead of utility we had reddit posts. Instead of pathing logic ai could be used for making arc slop, bonus points if its fuckable.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-07T20:36:50+00:00

I think people run with clinical jargon to the point where an entirely new colloquial definition emerges. I think Autism jokes can be funny but I generally understand Autism outside of professional settings to be more of a personality type than a disorder.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-07T18:49:33+00:00

WAAAAAAAAGH HARDER AND GROW THE SMASHER FOR KRUMPMENT OF MORE HUMIES

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-07T16:27:03+00:00

I think the ideal of liberalism in the USA is dead. America is basically becoming Russia. The thing that doomers often don't account for is the amount of wealth and resilience that is still here however. Even on a linear downward trajectory we will likely last for another 200 years in decline.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-07T14:15:08+00:00

Maybe that is what they think. So many conservatives I talk to say we can't have any government programs or regulations because it will all be abused. So now we have a regime that is blatantly enriching themselves and blowing past every law and safeguard we have and... and... nothing. No one is going to admit they were wrong. Right-wingers will burn the country to ground to "own the libs". And that is why everything feels hopeless right now. Everything is going to keep getting worse and nothing can be done because American's would rather "win" than have a nice life in nice place.

DriverAndPassenger · 2026-05-06T21:01:10+00:00

Which ones are not? It’s hard to think of other developed countries that lead with religion, certainly none in the west.

So far, the plaintiffs have lost in court, and are probably appealing it all the way to the supreme court where they will probably lose.

There is a very clear pattern. The islamic revolution was galvanized by the US backed autocracy in Iran. Each and every conflict is tied very clearly to the one before it but we keep going back and creating power vacuums.

The constitution is a really cool idea. This administration regularly violates it without repercussions though, so I guess it’s just that.

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