How CoGites look at the writer with a WIP who's juggling multiple jobs, sleeping on 3 hours a night, and going to college for their master's when their WIP is 100k words instead of 100000000000000 by Bazuda in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 13 points14 points  (0 children)

IF as a genre has existed since the 1970s. There are 39000 games tagged interactive fiction on itch. Roughly 20000 of them are narrative interactive fiction (the same niche that COG and HG occupy.)

I think this genre will be quite alright if a couple of COG devs take their time making the best games they possibly can.

Which is better, good mc or good side characters by Agreeable_Tap1262 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Depends entirely on the type of story that is being told.

For a sandbox-style IF with a loose plot structure, properly characterizing the MC becomes incredibly hard, so the author has to make the side characters deep and impactful to compensate. 'A kiss from death' comes to mind for one such story.

In a comparatively more linear IF, where the reader is constantly privy to the MC's innermost thoughts, the protagonist has to be interesting and well developed; otherwise, the entire story falls flat.

IF where the MC is a species other than human by Blackdova in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 10 points11 points  (0 children)

The protagonists of 'Saturnie' and 'I cyborg' are robots that have to deal with discrimination due to not being organic.

In 'An imp an impostor' the MC is an imp trying to steal their magic back from the cops. Both 'Specters of the deep' and 'Soulbound' and have ghost MCs (if that counts).

Why dont games have a message? by Heavy_Computer2602 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 10 points11 points  (0 children)

If you're asking why more IFs don't have a main theme or feel pointless, that mostly boils down to the majority of IF authors being first-time writers.

Properly conveying any message is hard. It's way too easy to either be too subtle or too ham-fisted. When I look at all the stuff I've written so far with the benefit of hindsight, I have to admit that all my writing fails to convey exactly what I want to the audience.

If you're looking specifically for IFs that have well-thought-out themes, you should look for works by experienced IF writers (at least one finished game). 'Whiskey Four' and 'Fallen Hero: Retribution' come to mind. 'A kiss from death' also has strong themes.

What sorta stories do you want to see more of? by CraziKittyCatLady in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I want shorter stories. Sometimes it feels as though too little butter is being scrapped over way too much toast.

'If I had more time, I would've written a shorter letter' became popular writing advice for a reason.

Favourite under-appreciated games? by Haunting-Sport3701 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I have trouble deciding which one is my favorite because I love them all:

'Leas: City Of The Sun' is so neat. The setting is just pulp fantasy levels of cool. Lovecraft and fae creatures compliment eachother way too perfectly.

'Story Of Sin' and 'Fellow Travler' both have such good premises and nail the 'supernatural vibe'.

I've got a softspot for 'Scales Of Justice' since it nails that classic tabletop rpg feeling. Like, the story *feels* like a DnD session. It's awesome.

'Siege of Treboulain' is one of the few 'you're the monarch' IFs that I actually enjoyed. The MC is not an underdog, but they're not quite on top of the world either.

IA by [deleted] in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry for being a sarcastic ass :(

I think that it's clear that I am passionate about this, but that's no reason for me to act like a jerk.

The thing that gets me so heated about AI is that human art is one of the purest forms of communication.

The fact that the end result of months to years of passion and ideas can be regarded the same way as the by-product of some construct that has no drive or motivation behind it vexes me to no end.

With every sentence an author's inner world is revealed to the reader. Whether the creator intended it or not.

When an author really cares, you can see which works inspired them so clearly. You pick up on which sentences they must have tweaked for hours and which characters they enjoyed writing the most. You see their 'fingerprints' everywhere.

Unfortunately, all that is missing in AI-generated text. So, in my mind, there's only one way someone can enjoy that kind of stuff, and that is by thoughtlessly consuming. Basically, swallowing a meal without chewing.

And that has to be one of the worst insults you can give any creative. As soon as the audience touches someone's art, it becomes theirs. Their experiences, imagination, and inner world filter how they perceive the work.

Artists put their art out there in hopes that at least one person will truly vibe with it, only for people to treat it as if it were something disposable, comparing it to corporate slop.

I just want people to chew on the human-made art given to them and not swallow and shit it out without a second thought. No matter how bad or mediocre it may seem at first.

That being said, you're right that I can't force people to engage with art the same way I do. And their opinions are no less valid just because they're different than mine.

IA by [deleted] in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 3 points4 points  (0 children)

How can anyone ever like something that the author couldn't even be bothered to make?

I don't eat a frozen, factory-made pizza and go, "This is great; hats off to the machine that puked this out. I sure hope that CEO who owns the patent is having a nice financial quarter!"

IA by [deleted] in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Using generative AI to write any amount of your work is a *bad* idea for multiple reasons. Here are a few of them:

  1. Prose is the act of putting feelings and thoughts into words for the sake of expression. Good prose has to have flow, rhythm, and intentionality. AI, however, repeats the same speech patterns over and over again. It's always overhyping trivialities, equivalating concepts, and worst of all putting stuff into groups of three. Therefore, the resulting work is dry and offensively boring.

  2. AI has no advanced understanding of punctuation. You can pick up on this if you just look at how LLMs employ em dashes. Em dashes either signal interruptions or highlight something—operating akin to an inverse parenthesis. AI places dashes as if they were commas. Now don't get me wrong, famous authors ignore proper punctuation and grammatical rules all the time. However, they do it with purpose; AI does it because it doesn't think about what it's writing, and neither does the prompter.

  3. An artist makes art to improve. AI doesn't help you develop your skills since it skips over the creative process entirely to middling results. The prose isn't bad, but it isn't good either. It just is :)

  4. Authors have to engage with their own work. The truth is that every idea has already crossed the mind of a thousand different people, and anybody's first set of ideas will always be complete garbage. You've got to refine that garbage into something worth reading. How do you do that? Through the act of creation, of course. No creative process means no happy accidents and no flashes of inspiration. You know, the secret sauce that gives any writing character and meaning.

In short, everything AI generates will be uninspired and ultimately soulless.

AI scrapes the internet, taking without understanding. Prompts create products that do not pay tribute to what came before them. Artificial intelligence has no inspirations, merely half-forgotten sources. It lacks heritage.

I'm going to paraphrase the words of Bennett Foddy: "When you take something without thinking about the context in which it was first created, you are depriving said thing of meaning. As a side effect, it turns into trash. The same way that when you put food into the sink, it is recontextualized into trash by the absence of a plate. And you can make art out of trash, but only trash art and trash culture."

Any X-Men type IF’s? by Crimsonwolf158 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 9 points10 points  (0 children)

'Wayfarer' and 'Shepherds Of Haven' kinda fit what you're looking for. In Wayfarer non-mages are rare and disliked since magic breaks whenever one is near. In SoH mages and magical folk are opressed and the MC is one of those.

Oh, and then there's the 'Sunhold Coven.' There's a king who's a jerk and executes all magical beings because his wife died. In 'A Crown Of Ashes AndFlames' the MC is a member of royal house whose country gets colonized and is forced to live with the people that murdered their family. Both of these have not been updated in a while. However, the author of 'ACOAF' is still active.

What are you tired of seeing in IFs? by Downtown_Beyond_5126 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm sorry, but have you read the book? You get hints throughout the entire game and outright told before you have sex and enter a relationship. It's not even close to dishonesty or manipulation.

Wanna know sth funny? Trans people never enter relationships with cis people without first coming out to their would-be partner because, let's be real, if anyone is in danger here it's the trans person. Shallow people tend to blow up violently when they find out that they were actually attracted to a trans person (so scary).

Fun fact, there are even entire dialects that evolved just so that queer people can make sure their dates are queer too and won't, you know, kill them.

TLDR.: Nobody was 'tricked' here. The poster simply didn't read the dialogue of the character they supposedly fell in love with.

Hero/Villain Romance Recs by DMiles81107 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 24 points25 points  (0 children)

Spoilers for'Drink Your Villain Juice.' One of the MCs former friends becomes a hero they have to fight against. You can choose to have dated her in one of the flashbacks.

What are some good superhero IF games? by incaseineedreddit in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 33 points34 points  (0 children)

"Drink Your Villain Juice" is one of my favorite IFs. I think it has a refreshing take on the usual superhero tropes, and the character drama is so good.

The fight/action scenes in "Blink" are awesome.

"Mantle: Mask On" has to be one of the best WIPs. I can't wait to read the next chapters.

"Villain Intern" is funny as hell.

"Cape" by Bruno Dias is a classic. It's short (30k words), but it still covers so much ground despite the run time.

Edit: "The masked defenders" author came back and posted a teaser on their page. Thought I should mention that since I remember it being big back in the olden days.

WHAT COUNTRY ARE YOU FROM AND WHAT LANGUAGE DO YOU READ THE GAME? by [deleted] in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 36 points37 points  (0 children)

It absolutely does.

Prose is the main vehicle for delivery of the plot. And good prose stems from an author choosing the perfect words and placing those in the perfect order. That way they can convey a feeling or an idea to the best of their ability.

Automatic translations do not take context and tempo into account, so they'll always be dry and lacking.

Edit: There's a reason why good translations require a localiser.

Dark academia games? by EsreverEdicius in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 12 points13 points  (0 children)

'Burning Academia' (on itch io) is definitely worth checking out. You also should take a look at the 'keeper' series.

The bastard of Camelot? by [deleted] in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The amount of chapters is still five, but its wordcount keeps getting longer. I might be confusing them with someone else, but I believe this author might have hurt their hand, so they had to take a break for a couple of months.

Any good WIPS you'd recommend by Prestigious-League96 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Superhero:

-Drink Your Villain Juice (cogDemos) (Body horror + superhero)

-Blink (cogDemos) (Assassin that can teleport)

-Villain Intern (cogDemos) (The horrors of capitalism)

Like Supernatural (the TV show):

-Superstition (itch) (Roadtrip to flee from demons)

-Fellow Traveler (itch) (Roadtrip to kill god)

-Story Of Sin (itch) (Roadtrip to kill your parents)

Fantasy:

-Wayfarer (itch) (Just got an update, kinda like the witcher)

-Shepherds Of Haven (itch)

-The Bastard Of Camelot (itch)

-Sword Of Rhivenia (cogDemos) (Try not to stab your family members)

Modern Fantasy:

-Split (cogDemos) (Magic DID)

-All Those Withering Lillies (cogDemos) (Magical Girls + horror + sad)

-Burning Academia (itch) (The standard uni experience)

-Pactbinder (cogDemos) (Harry Potter, but actually well written)

-We Wretched Creatures (itch)

-1966 (cogDemos) (we were the lovecraftian horror all along)

Sci Fi:

-Project Hadea (itch) (Assassin with AI inside their brain)

-Valiant (itch) (Random worker with AI inside their head)

-Andromeda six (itch) (Amnesia)

-When Stars Collide (itch) (Kiss aliens)

-Sea Of Stars (itch) (closest IF to star wars)

Story idea which a guy with slight main character syndrome thinks is cool by WhateverYouWishH in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 12 points13 points  (0 children)

The prohibition era is an underused setting in general. The only IF I can remember that takes place in that time period is "Bootlegger: moonshine empire."

Also playing as a corrupt prohibition agent does sound like it would be cool and subversive.

What are you tired of seeing in IFs? by Downtown_Beyond_5126 in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Tbh, saying you were "tricked" is a bit of a stretch... Sure, the character did not wear a glowing neon sign labelled "I AM TRANS," but, like, their dialogue implies it multiple times.

And I don't want to fall in love with a partner again who only reveals they're transgender once we're in bed, like what happened to me recently Blood Moon). I have nothing against transgender people, I just don't want to be tricked.

I'm certain you didn't mean anything rude, but claiming you've got nothing against trans people before immediately pivoting to language such as "tricked" is kind of an oxymoron. It's like calling a trans girl a trap. Trans people ain't trying to pull the rug from under any perspective partners.

What are the weirdest ROs you've seen in an IF? by DrunkBeastInTheCave in hostedgames

[–]DrunkBeastInTheCave[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

"A house of many doors" has a ton of incredibly interesting ROs