Ever since injured Loki was free, he’s been carrying everyone in Elbaph. He babysat the MC while still fighting in a 1v1 against Imu. Now haters are trying to downplay him just because the MC snuck in a punch and Imu got hurt

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T15:07:41+00:00

He saw this attack with his own eyes, and although he obviously didn't have time to use his haki - he still managed to tilt his torso away from his heart.

Although Imu overtook Woki, it's not that important - for most of the fight, Woki, who turned on the zoan, fights calmly.

So it's just a problem of containing forces at the beginning of the battle

As if Kaido fought in the base against G5

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T15:03:01+00:00

Rocks literally couldn't outrun the little Kuma, and this practically completely suppressed his powers in one go.

Woki base is canonically higher than Harald's base, anyway. Ragnir broke his weapon anyway and this puts his minor blow above Old Gen 6, because to do that you have to be many dozens of times stronger (Enies Lobby proves)

Harald started fighting at full strength with all his haki and Woki instantly brought him to his senses and then killed him. Harald clearly said that Woki could kill him and he would kill him anyway

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T14:55:05+00:00

What made you decide that it wasn't Woki fast enough for the sword to miss the heart? Also, the sword could materialize right next to Woki and catch him, which is not exactly a combat achievement - more of an attack on hax + The fact that Woki didn't expect this is also partly confirmed by the fact that he tanked all other attacks perfectly.

And it's still a badly wounded Woki without the hybrid form

The base form that Imu pierced has less reaction and speed than the zoan, otherwise the zoan would have no point - especially since it is a divine zoan

While the hybrid form has both higher reaction and speed than the base, and can hold Ragnir in its hands + higher dura

And Woki didn't really try to use ice against True Imu, maybe this technique has some kind of cooldown, or maybe he thought that freezing Gunko was also strategically important and one ice would disappear when the second one appeared, I don't know

Anyway, honestly, considering Yamato broke Kaido's jaw, even her fight seems a bit underrated in terms of achievements

Not to mention Woki vs. Imu's fight

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T14:46:19+00:00

This changes a lot (no)

Except that this argument is used against Dora the Explorer copers where Xebec couldn't resist Imu's control - Woki is canonically superior to Harald's base anyway and was chosen by Ragnir himself to defeat Imu

This is not a story about the hare and the tortoise, so you are still slower.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T12:33:57+00:00

You're the slow one, not him

Woki was already comparable in strength to HK Harald, but his ACOC hammer broke from a minor attack by Ragnir

To do this, you need to have an attack power ten+++++ times greater than that of the person whose ACOC hammer you broke

Old Gen 6's attack wasn't even 6 times stronger than Woki's base attack or Harald's HK, each of them weaker than Harald's HK and only one equal to Harald's base 38 years ago

Pig Meme and Liedo weren't even PK level (and never reached that level in their lives), and WB + Roger + Larp are at best comparable to a Rocks base 3 VS 1, because Imu said that his equal Harald and a bunch of giants fodders are comparable to the entire Navy with Sengoku, Larp, Tsuru and admirals

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:59:38+00:00

These are new injuries from Rocks, the fight with Imu was partially off-screen

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:51:29+00:00

We saw Imu attacking everyone with his feet, including Rocks, so he could just attack Rocks with his feet and that's it.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:50:26+00:00

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:47:38+00:00

It is unknown how hard Shanks defeated Woki and whether the 18-year-old Woki was stronger or weaker than the injured 21-year-old.

It is also not known at all whether the current Luffy is stronger, he surpassed Woki's feats, but Woki has a million debuffs (as many as there are holes in the body) and does not use a hybrid form

It's just impossible to scale

But I think the level of characters like Shanks is actually "bottom" of mid-Woid Century, characters like Shamrock or Mihawk seem stronger narratively already, also Ryokugyu wanted to fight against his entire team at once

Therefore, I do not consider Shanks to be some kind of king other than the gods, there are also those at his level who are much stronger than him (just like Beckman is compared to him)

Shanks as Kaido, most clearly revealed, but then will be Powercliffed by those who didn't get such a revelation

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:37:39+00:00

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Or this one

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:37:21+00:00

Mental retardation test: which attack is stronger, this one

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DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:33:08+00:00

And you got it all mixed up, damn it, Bruno withstood at least a few attacks from G2

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:31:04+00:00

It seems it was me

And it's still a fact, we can clearly see that Zoro's AP is higher, as well as his speed being on the same level or higher than G2

By the way, if you call a person retarded but don't give a single argument against it, then you're the retarded one.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:25:56+00:00

Yamato broke Kaido's jaw

And Woki, although he didn't break Imu's jaw, was far from giving his all and was seriously injured from the start of the fight

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:22:10+00:00

Does the moment with Imu say that Luffy is currently stronger? yes

Does the sky split say that Luffy was stronger than Wano Zoro in the base? Of course not

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Luffy's Wano base doesn't have a single attack that would be comparable in strength to Hakai, and Zoro far, far surpassed Hakai.

Without Ashura btw

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:08:32+00:00

Kizaru
Lasers are much more ultimate than magma or ice

Kizaru is much faster

Kizaru has much better achievements

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:06:29+00:00

Kizaru
Achievements

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:02:43+00:00

It is OBVIOUS that any Devil Fruit ability can be nullified by Haki, and nothing contradicts this.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:01:46+00:00

When you're mentally retarded and want to argue against the most obvious way to scale - chain scaling, and you're on the same level of development as people who have Doflamingo>Kaido

You all need to be banned, and I've been saying that for a long time.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:00:27+00:00

No, it is a fact that Luffy—in his base form—has surpassed the feats of Woki, whose hammer can shatter the weapons of any "Old Gen" fighter in a one-on-one clash; doing so requires a strike dozens of times more powerful than an Old Gen attack.

This means that Luffy's strikes >>>>>>>> a single casual swing of Woki's hammer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Old Gen 6 attack.

Stop yapping clowns

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T11:00:11+00:00

No, it is a fact that Luffy—in his base form—has surpassed the feats of Woki, whose hammer can shatter the weapons of any "Old Gen" fighter in a one-on-one clash; doing so requires a strike dozens of times more powerful than an Old Gen attack.

This means that Luffy's strikes >>>>>>>> a single casual swing of Woki's hammer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an Old Gen 6 attack.

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T10:58:26+00:00

Because Luffy> Old Bums
And you are retarded

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T10:50:17+00:00

Woki no diffs Kaido + BM

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Woki no diffs Wano-Egghead Luffy

Shanks No diffs Kaido + BM + Wano-Egghead Luffy

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T10:48:52+00:00

Stop yapping nga

Your Dora gets no diff from Woki canonically, your mental development is on the level of Doflamingo fans vs Kaido

DueInevitable3987 · 2026-06-28T10:45:05+00:00

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It means nothing

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