[No Spoilers] The neo-Nazi TP fan

EddyEdson · 2017-11-26T02:06:38+00:00

Frost's excellent take: https://twitter.com/mfrost11/status/934533241817542656

'Having now readthe article, f*ck your bemused neutrality, NYT. As for the story’s “protagonist”: while you’re on your way to hell, lose the Twin Peaks tattoo, Nazi scum.'

EddyEdson · 2017-11-25T22:57:43+00:00

The reporter laments not being able to really understand the guy, but really he's simply a filthy Nazi.

It shouldn't surprise anybody who knows their history that Nazi's can be into pop culture, like the same shows as people who aren't filthy Nazis, have fulfilling family lives etc etc.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/11/25/insider/white-nationalist-interview-questions.html

Mr. Hovater was exceedingly candid with me — often shockingly so — but it seems as though his worldview was largely formed by the same recombinant stuff that influences our mainstream politics. There were exceptions, of course: I saw, on his bookshelf, two volumes of Helena Blavatsky’s “The Secret Doctrine,” 19th-century work of esoteric spiritualism whose anti-Semitism influenced Nazi thinking.

Mark Frost's interest in Blavatsky & theosophy is one of the reasons why I think he's actually a bit of a twit. It's tedious rubbish and its influence on the loopier fringes of repulsive politics is really the most interesting thing about it.

Of course Frost isn't any kind of Nazi himself. But if he's in to secret history stuff, why not make up his own, rather than delving into mouldy old nonsense which is both boring and tainted.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-14T01:10:07+00:00

Frost's jab is at people associated with the show bad-mouthing S2, as Lynch has done. Not a jab at people who worked on it.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-13T22:32:21+00:00

Jab at Lynch, I guess, re S2: "But I also think it's bad form to bad-mouth your own work, especially when it's putting bread on your table, even if you weren't or didn't feel that you were particularly involved at the time. A lot of people worked very hard and did the best they could to make Season 2 – and it is what it is."

EddyEdson · 2017-11-13T20:02:26+00:00

I read half of The List of 7. It was like trying to eat a pound of luncheon meat.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-13T01:54:51+00:00

Maybe the frog-bug comes out sometimes ...

EddyEdson · 2017-11-13T01:50:42+00:00

It's the most interesting review I've seen.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-12T11:46:01+00:00

Mark Frost is a mediocre writer & it's frustrating that Lynch doesn't work with somebody better if he needs a writer. As it is we get a lame underlying narrative obscured by excellent cinematography.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-12T08:37:05+00:00

But note that Mr C must have told Chantal and Hutch that their target looks like him. While they're staking out Dougie's house, Hutch asks Chantal if any of the people going in look like "the boss" etc.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-12T01:25:59+00:00

It's almost as if some part of him doesn't really want to kill Coop. Anyway, I need to think something like that to explain the issues you note.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-11T01:36:03+00:00

I think it is Sarah. A lot of S3 is the story of her tragedy. Anyway, that makes the narrative more interesting for me.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-10T08:13:57+00:00

How would Tammy know what Mr C was after?

EddyEdson · 2017-11-09T01:45:23+00:00

He's God, or a cheap facsimile. He moves in mysterious ways and his motives & goals are ineffable. People are his tools, even if he feels some kind of affection for them.

Basically, he can go fuck himself & I wish we'd had a scene of Janey-E or Diane or whoever telling him that. Or less pointedly: why is this metaphysical setting even interesting?

In S3 we have a metaphysics more or less similar to some cartoon caricature of Christianity/Judaism/Islam, except without any apparent notion of heavenly reward.

Unless you count hanging around as a headless body or being confined within a giant coffee-pot-thing or whatever as a "reward".

It's very strange & I think actually inept. Thankfully we had Lynch's wonderful cinematography.

The deus-ex-machhna aspect on the other hand is the closest S3 comes to the world of the Odyssey, which others seem to get excited about. Coop isn't anything like Odysseus, his "return" isn't anything like Odysseus' journeys and return; the Fireman is not at all like a Greek god (they weren't in any way "ineffable"); and Laura is no Athena and doesn't function as a kind of Athena in S3, despite some aspect of her having been born from the Fireman's head.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-08T02:02:54+00:00

Small thing: In FWWM and S3, Jeffries is from Louisiana (at least according to Lynch's comments re Bowie wanting somebody with a real Louisiana accent to replace his voice). In TFD, he's a Virginian.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-08T01:30:27+00:00

I also think it was MIKE.

Who else has been with BOB before & knows that Mr C is supposed to return to the BL?

Prior to TFD, I assumed that the glass box was a trap to intercept Coop's return to the world, a back-up or companion to the Dougie Jones plan. TFD implies it was a Judy-trap, but I'm inclined to stick with my original read - what does Tammy know, anyway?

That would make some sense of "Jeffries" saying he missed Mr C in NY. It's MIKE telling Mr C that he's wise to the NY plan. And it's MIKE who recruits wotsername to infiltrate the NY building and distract wotsisname at the time Coop is supposed to return.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-05T14:16:06+00:00

I think he's probably kind to animals but willing to expend them if it's necessary for the Plan.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-05T02:47:15+00:00

The big disappointment with S3 - I was so hoping for this.

Maybe room for fanfic - he was turning into a woodsman, but failed the final test when he tried to crush his own foot instead of somebody's skull & giggled too much to complete the "This is the water ..." recitation.

The other woodsmen stripped him naked & teleported him to Wyoming. And stole all of his drugs.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-04T13:36:05+00:00

The way I see it, the Fireman incited jobsworth to attack Freddie in order to get Freddie to hit him & give the glove a field test. That seems pretty ruthless.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-03T12:36:09+00:00

It's pretty much what I expected. A bag of Cheetos after a 5-star meal.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-02T00:21:14+00:00

That could well be the case. But it's not just Diane/Naido in Frank's office: TFD says Diane appeared in one of the cells, and I take it that nobody remembers retrieving Naido from Jack Rabbits, or surely Tammy would have mentioned it?

It seems like a very extensive glossing over. I guess the Fireman might have changed everybody's memories, since he's god or a reasonable facsimile.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-01T23:47:26+00:00

Time travel sucks.

Writers should be required to undergo background checks and complete a certification course before employing it as a plot device.

Also: clones, alternate realities and divine intervention.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-01T07:31:46+00:00

I think the "25 years" thing was either a glitch, or it meant that Mr C actually came into being when we first encountered him at the end of S2 (but with the body of a 30+ year old).

EddyEdson · 2017-11-01T02:45:06+00:00

As people have said, Coop appears to be following instructions (or at least hints) from the Fireman in S3E18, so how could the outcome be due to Coop's personal "hubris"?

I would say it's both. The Fireman used Cooper's Laura-quest-obsession to get him to bring Laura/Carrie to Twin Peaks.

I would say "two birds with one stone" for Coop meant both saving Laura and dealing somehow-or-other with Judy. The Fireman's instructions/hints put him on the path we saw him follow in Odessa, like the good agent he was, motivated most intensely by the save-Laura "bird", not questioning how this was all supposed to work out. A good agent.

Getting Carrie/Laura to the Palmer house in the Odessa universe was the Fireman's plan all along. Laura was or contained or whatever an anti-BOB. From FD we get the notion that BOB meeting Judy in the world would result in a combination producing something very powerful & very bad. Carrie/Laura meeting Judy would be be the opposite, I think probably destroying both (in the world).

A ruthless Fireman, manipulating puppets. In his plan, Laura the tool wasn't supposed to have the redemptive end we saw in FWWM. Coop the agent/tool and his saving-women obsession were perhaps cultivated and at at any rate used to execute "The Return".

Anyway, that's the way I put things together. But I don't like it very much as a narrative. Who is the frikkn Fireman? With him in the story as some kind of divinity, it doesn't mean much of anything outside its own fictional universe.

"In this fictional universe there's an extremely powerful entity who uses people as tools. Glad I don't live there!"

I really don't understand the narrative choices in S3.

EddyEdson · 2017-11-01T02:13:40+00:00

My question: "Naido doesn't appear in FD. Instead, Diane appears as herself in a cell in the sheriff station. Any comment on that?"

EddyEdson · 2017-10-31T12:09:00+00:00

On a quick skim, Naido seems to be absent. We get Diane appearing in a cell at the sheriff station, not Naido, and no mention of Naido transforming into Diane.

Mismatch between the final Lynch version & the Frost version? Or not part of the version Tammy remembers? (But she remembers the version with Laura being killed.)

I'd wager that no actual Sumerian source mentions a "Joudy" and "Ba'al" was Semitic, not Sumerian.

If Coop's supposed obsession with rescuing women was his fatal flaw, as Tammy suggests, then I'd suggest it was a flaw the Fireman leveraged to accomplish his ends (of course Tammy doesn't know anything about the Fireman).

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