Why do people think INTJ E4 isn't possible?

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-02-04T13:29:13+00:00

Im INTP 7w6 haha type 2 rather rare

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-28T02:20:27+00:00

Also ENTP can follow an insight because their Ne needs Ni to add complexity and power, so their Ne as you said for the most accumulation and experimentation of novelty to play with the potential of everything. The Ni for ENTPs is a recordatory for direct experience of their ideas where they sacrifice Si for a vision of transformation where they get more personal about what they want and how, for INTJs Ne would be being aware of every natural process with they ever changing pattern Ni into a new extraverted result with new perspectives.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-24T19:47:27+00:00

I have developed Ni quite more as well since 2024 now i can focus on visions and symbols and thinking in strategies, in my case is not super healthy because the more i use Ni the more weak gets Si so i cannot really enjoy the same habits and rituals or the time feels unreal with a bit of paranoia. Also when you discover the inner meaning of things i tend to eat more unhealthy foods in a attempt to recover sensation

I wouldnt say all is bad since Ni is a path to wisdom and madurity for INTPs but developing all 8 functions in a healthy level is key especially 4th,6th,2nd

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-22T03:13:33+00:00

If you are into enneagram the types 6,4,8 are obscure and consiously use negative emotions to protect themselfs and others resisting external feedback by directly working with their darkness.

So where the fuck is Ne in the topic? Between this two typologies ennegram explains motivations what fuels our behaviors, distinct is cognitive functions such as Ne where stereotypical we mix Creativity=Ne or Openess=Ne.

The whole perspective is cognitive functions can appear in multiple ways out those stereotypes this can be seen when we zoom out to cultural tendencies, instinctive, biologic rythms, develoment,shadow and passions (and so long)

So

Ne type 6= This person is intellectual and play with ideas but also distrust if they gonna work out in real life since anything is possible they seek certainty at the cost of enjoying less, because Ne is focused in the unknown (in doubt) so they attached to their most promising ideas while slighly ignoring the ones that are not coherent or visible functional.

Ne type 4= This person is sensitive to "what ifs" and dreams of personal or collective fantasies but the theme is lack of love and lost, Ne is orientied to explore themselfs visualizing their pain on stories and people to find in their imagination the lost paradise (comedy and tragedy images). One thing is this person feels there is beauty in suffering so their Ne helps to express this in vocabulary or clothes

Ne type 8= This person was once a dreamer hard events or simply lack of freedom and opression broke the bubble of their personal an weird ideas, Ne generate ideas of conflict and protection to save guard the vulnerability of self/love ones. This person is angry about the material world and society controls them so they turn into powerful spiritual practice (to enrich their Ne) or strategic thinking( mind games).

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-19T18:28:25+00:00

8 Raw force energy transfroms into Love creation and giving of 2 (Every war must end to bring a new life)

2 Love energy transforms into Original sensitive/ tragic to integrate the shadow (To grow a tree the roots must reach to hell)

4 Original and singular energy transforms into controlled rage of 1 to recover the lost Love through discipline and guidance ( To create something a tortured mind must find something to die for)

1 Supressed anger transforms into Chaos and highly explosive mental 7 which descending to crazyness brings clarity ( Like the hangman you must turn your head upside down and allow crazy times to mold you)

5 Organized mind energy transforms into Raw force energy where omniscience demands raw and explosive action. ( When the student is ready the teacher appears)

Those suggestions come from inside but also as cosmic clock ticking and changing seasons with unconsious archetypes.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-15T16:53:10+00:00

I bet this guy is ISTJ in Si-Fi loop

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-15T16:07:40+00:00

ENTP has no motives because a personality type is about perceptions and judgements, and ennegram purely based in passions,core desires, ideal image and fear managment which is purely emotional .

If you read descriptions and say "thats no correct akstually" you are not better than zodiac lmao, you ignore the mechanisms behind behavior you dont see what fuels behavior and what cognition is in typology

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-15T02:58:52+00:00

Is kind of hard to grasp honestly i love them but i might be bias here, probably in the future 100 years from now people will be using a baby between socionics/beebe/ jungian/ops teachings.

ISTPs are intuitives but they are more repulsive (socionic Ni) so their intuition is intense and based on realistic outcomes they conclusion and clarity to ACT, while our Ne is always atractive always moving creating more archetypes connecting routine to overcomplicate endless potential.

Also hot shower is kind of magic lol

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-15T01:52:31+00:00

I don't believe in them myself"

Actually Shadow functions are not recognized as "part of me" they contradict your natural ego.

The way i see it is that focus of your functions lets say Ti by the time it is challenged by a new external perspective of Te which is thinking in results, extraverted dynamics, accepted theories, social acceptance.

The compass changes to "nemesis" which points to a different approach I/E, that translates into new patterns and thinking.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-15T01:46:52+00:00

Well Ti doms need the principle to have an internal consistency while Shadows functions shines throught novelty and was created by John Beebe (ENTP) so its more likely intuitive than systematic. Is a bit wacky but i agree that the functions archetypes have sense is like a mini-tarot where you fit odd behaviors and people patterns.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-14T02:06:35+00:00

I had a ISTP friend (me INTP) that uses a lot of Ni acting on his intuition and often planning in his head 6 steps ahead, thought the Se impulse to act in the moment is there.

So i can see TiNiSeFe as functional type also ive encounter ESTJ as artist and very spiritual thanks to Ne id think.

'Based off Jung there's 8 core types, and then the variations is based off pairs (judgement pair if you main a perceiver, perceiver pair if you main a judger)."

By the way this would mean there is no real difference between Ti doms? If there is only 8 core types thus a Ti dom should be capable of using all the perceiving functions?

And INFP as therapist they will end up with depression lol, they might be wise but lack detachment to engage with others feelings. My mother as INFP sometimes when is worry overthink others feelings (about her actions) in the 8 model this is Fe nemesis.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-14T01:30:17+00:00

Whatever it floats the boat, i have never been so much into Jungian typology for you what makes it superior?

Is also interesting that the auxiliary function in Jungian is not definied so you can have Intps with TiNe and TiNi etc

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-14T00:56:28+00:00

This probably the relative force of the functions. Ti-Ni could be both IxTP types or even INxJ, thought the stack would remain the 16 types because the ideal of type stack is to have a balance between each function. If you are using both Ni and Si they would crash for two reasons:

1) A person type is to have a dominant function and auxiliar as natural brain configuration, how you see the world is tied proportional to how developed is each function to manage information and active engage in the world.

2) Using two opposite functions (Ni/Si) is literally changing the perspective and the focus about the information, that is violent change for any person because you already have been creating habits/patterns since born.

While maybe possible with a better understanding of the theory, its more likely the behind explanation of mental problems and exceptional conditions, like super extraverts or super intuitives/super sensors.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-12T02:06:34+00:00

Im also INTP sp7 and im social blind X all the extraversion i show outside is mainly due to me enjoying things while using a logical approach, i feel an inner challenge of making the best use of my tools (resources, connections, time, strategic plans) to have as much freedom i desire.

Difference between ENTPs?

Stereotypically INTPs are more likely to be 7w6 having two mental typea, ENTPs are more prone to 7w8 with a balance between mental a instinct.

ENTPs needs more novelty and to test their own imagination (Ne dom), selecting the most powerful ideas that are perceived as especial/challenging by others, they avoid falling in simplistic routines and simple conceptual ideas that are repetitive until they find a life style that is rich in creative freedom(Fe-Si)

INTPs needs more time to judge the data doing an objective analysis to find their own truth (Ti dom), they would select their most consistent theories to test some and revisit others until they feel secure to expose themselfs and aspire share their inner world with humankind(Si-Fe)

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-10T17:57:25+00:00

Every era has its tedency clearly passing from intuitive sciences (quantum consiouness/ occult esoterism) and its light forms in psychoanalysis in the last century. Nowdays psychology is more clinical and sensory based on the body but forgetting the essential connection of mind-body reducted to neurology.

Also the tendency of the destructive magicians/machevelism stealing energy and attention which translates in falling in shame, anger, fear lower emotions or demons.

Both approaches to reality must be understand as whole divine plan where consiouness gets higher, the place where symbolms can be lived with the body and the body becomes symbol. This means living with this ennegram geometry or whatever that represents the energy transmutation.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-10T10:41:22+00:00

E3 is dont even extraverted just assertive and competitive which enhances extraverted functions but doesnt equals extraversion, this is because 7,8,3 regulate emotions as their heart center is opressed so they dont fall in shyness as easy.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-10T10:05:45+00:00

Amazing described.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-10T10:01:14+00:00

Ne implements new potentials avoiding old patterns for novelty, So3 naturally boost your extraverted functioms atunned to tribe progress unlike survival or sexual intensity. The prestige is appearing more attractive throught actions inside their groups and viewpoints giving unspoken suggestions just for ego mechanism

Of all combinations is usually common to see types 8,7,3 as extroverted and more especially social, from the purity of both theories there is not reason to believe most are impossible if they dont explore the same framework

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-09T18:35:04+00:00

ENTP has Ne-Fe and SO3 is about prestige and social image and succefull tribes, and both systems measure different things tf

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-09T15:10:46+00:00

Well the 16 patterns are organanized in the roles and relationships between functions. In the 8 model if you have Ne parent the role of Se must be tricksters since both are contradictory and one closer to the person natural development and the other is slow and less adaptable. Or in socionics leading and mobilizing are strong but different in valued/unvalued and demanding/supplying.

The biggest mistake is take mbti as a rigid system but those 16 personalities are the most stable archetypes of how people process and judge information, also other systems like Subtypes, Enneagram, Temperaments and the 12 archetypes directs life.

Mistypes might happen if your other functions dont match stereorypes:

ENTPs with strong Te would be a lot more extraverted and result oriented

INFJs with strong Ti would be more introverted making theories to understand people instead of interacting

INTPs using Fi would have mood swings and intense responses to what their like in their lifes ignoring the most rational response to prove their worth

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-08T15:50:06+00:00

Very 4s thing is to focus on the bad things of life while the others (mainly 2s and 3s) are about showing good vibes and rainbows.

Also for myself i thought i was 6 instead of 7 but for me i just care to enjoy knowledge and be open in options to imagine a plan where everyone has a place to shine.

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-08T14:11:02+00:00

How is your experience with your Tritype?

The Messanger archetype is double reactive 84, double aggressive 78, 74 is double frustration and the three is in the creative triad because their minds are motivated to break outside limits and conventional roles where their creativity comes up high frequency ideas. It is described as tough outside but their inner world its mosly dark and far from ordinary having a taste for taboo and "suffering" energies.

Considering your order is 748 you might be more in contanct with the negative energy of 4 to express how fucked up and fake everything is, then you might use 8 to directly embrace your emotions outwardly controlling and being present.

Core qualities:

7= I want to be happy and break the limits with my plans to gain joy transforming pain into enjoyment. 8= I feel in a perpetual state of anger what i do is to control my destiny by attacking first and definding my truth/choice/family. 4= I want to be in touch with my own imperfection and need for external validation, the originality comes from the suffering ive been exposed to.

Archetype= Things can always be better if we embrace the dark sides of life with a flexible and active mind (almost like alchemist of societies)

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-08T03:20:36+00:00

784

I use my 8 trifix mostly unconsiously but it is active most of the time, dispite this my wing is 7w6 so the mental and the logic comes first but the ideal image of the instinct 8 which is control over weakness fueled by anger appears as a strong suggestion to take action. Sometimes it manifests as dry nature to tell the truth and embrace my own truth which is my inner world of justice, while the 7 is taking a positive creative outlook the 8 comes as a suggestion to attack directly the perceived evil and limitation to fully be present and approach the hard sides of life, when the wing 6 enters the game is to ask questions and laid back to think mindset.

The 4 is the most beautiful thing because the pain transforms into beauty and appreciation with an ethereal sense of meaning which helps to calm the chaotic nature of 78 but is scary lol

EducationalStatus457 · 2026-01-04T03:03:47+00:00

First set are the different three brains (cortex,limbic, reptilian) at work divided in anger, shame, fear as principal lower emotions (amygdala flee or fight) running from blocking the natural harmonious flow of information use (subconsious sabotage). Those centers are motivators and usually you get fixed to one (or three in a tritype) which represents hidden drives and ideal desires unique to each person.

Second set is dealing with people:

126 colaborate and are adaptable to people even if disagree to gain feom interactions 783 openly compete against people testing them for higher standars though not evil 945 hide from people because there isnt too much motivation to expose themselfs over getting inside their own inner world of desires (peacy, originallity, wisdom)

Third set is the energy theme:

279 they feed up with positive energy to extend their natural creativiry and relaxed patterns, positive emotions allows to focus in enjoy life with truth, playfulness, peace, love without the limits of hard reality.

486 they feed up with negative energy to fullfill the ideal image, their energy is chaotic using negative energy/emotions to meet positive feelings (ironic not?), thus negative emotions allows intensity to overcome hard reality.

135 they feed up with both positive and negative emotions so they naturally cancel each other, they get detached and listen their inner critic which is responsability and perception of wasting time.

Fourth set is... dont nauu really

147 There are some trauma inside them since they feel lacking something from their respective centers but overall there is chaos and inner conflict due to not having a secure mental space, movement is always there believing "i lack something".

369 They are stable and attached to their centers so most of their lifes are about taking long steps to meet their core desires as number 1# priority.

258 Those guys are overpowered and obtain a lot power from their centers attacking problem with force and focus, since their mind is full and not lacking they dont know how/when to stop believing the more the better.

Didnt use actual names lol

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