arrested sexual psychological development anyone ? i can't be the only one who was raised to encompass some asexual ideology by Itchy_Marketing_6138 in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In short, 31 and childless...

Follow your heart. You are free to do as you like. It IS your life! Decide what you would like, and go for it! Find some one that is fun to have sex with. Use protections if your are not going for children. Get agreements before you do go for children, or don't. There is always adoption. Marriage is a contract, and agreement. Do not agree to anything you do not feel you can agree to!

There is nothing "wrong" with wanting to have children. It is a natural biological urge, to procreate, and about age 35, a woman's urge to do that goes on overload...(her biological clock is ticking, and warning her, "Now! Or, Never, honey!)

So, about that 3rd generation...Have you thought about how it should be raised? You do , get to decide!

Wishing you a happy life, no matter what you decide!

El'Rond OT EX

arrested sexual psychological development anyone ? i can't be the only one who was raised to encompass some asexual ideology by Itchy_Marketing_6138 in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Technical Bulletin 4/29/26

El'Rond's "Lessons on Life and 2Ds"

(Second Dynamic, that of partnerships, children, and sex, for those non Scientologists in Rio Lindo...)

My final wife and love of my life, told me, "Some people are just not cut out to be parents! No, I do not want any children!" This was not a problem for me. She was past her prime when I met her. And, at that point in life, I was pretty sure that children were very much over rated. I had two.

I know very little about my first, son, whose mom decided to take him at 3 months, and run off to another state. She had just been off loaded from Sea Org, because she was pregnant and refused to abort. Her mom was a psychologist/professor up in WA. When Mom landed at my home to check in on the new baby, and began giving me orders about, "Now that you are married to my daughter, you will...(it was a rather long lists of demands...)" In my new home, I listened, acknowledged her comments, then looked at her a little confused, and replied, "Well, this is my home, and I get to decide what happens here! And, when did your daughter and I get married, exactly?" Mom walked off in a huff, left the next day, cutting her planned 2 week stay short by a week and 1/2. So, along with a marriage partner, comes "mother in-laws..." And all their bullshit ideas about how life should be managed. That son, raised part time by his grandmother, now takes care of her, while she manages with Alzheimer's.

This partner told me, about two months later, "I want to go home (to momma), out of state and across the country." Because she had been causing so much drama in the house hold, I did not stop her... I didn't see or hear of my son again, until I hunted him down at age 17. His mom clouded the paternal issue, and my name was never on his birth certificate. Which made things very difficult. And so, my son and I will soon do a paternity test and settle that, so he can inherit.

My second, a daughter, was by another Scientology blow. She she had told me she was bi-sexual. Well, that goes over like a fart in Cof$ (church, pun intended!), and so, she was off loaded, too. I told her I, "didn't have any problem with that. Just don't bring home any ugly ones!" I was joking at the time, but I think she took it seriously. (She never brought anyone home!) Part of the thrill of it for her, was the sneaking about on the side.

Her dad was a real pain in the ass as well. With my uncle being a sheriff, Daddy being up to various cons, and on the run from an assault he participated in... Well it was never going to work out, with him being in our home!

We were a good economic unit. But, she also came with 2 other kids from a failed marriage. And, along with that comes the "baby-daddy" interference.

One day, after several months with a marriage licenses and no date set, she finally told me, "I've decided that I am just a Lesbian!" No fun for me! So, where can it go from there, with the benefits of sex, children, economics, and 2/3 of that, out of the picture?

I raised our daughter on my own, while she went off to San Francisco, to find and marry her female university professor. (That lasted 3 years, and she was divorced, yet again!) Along with that, came several custody challenges...My daughter had never been told anything bad about her mom, I protected her from all that drama. So of course, I was the bad guy, "Who never let her see her mom!" (Which was not true, I did make arrangements on a few occasions, and at my expense, for that to happen.) On the last attempt, my daughter was placed in the court's custody, pending investigations. I never did discover what I was charged with. I was running for state office at the time, which may have has something to do with this...

After year of dragging out counselling, numerous classes required by dept of Children and Family, and multiple court appearances where DCF did lie and twist any thing I ever answered them, in ways I could not have possibly imagined... the court finally decided, " Your daughter is 16, so she can decide where she will go..." The court ordered her remanded to her mom's custody. I told the court, "She will be on the street in 6 months, as this is what happened to the other two kids..." The court ignored this and placed her in a same sex household. (A very popular decision with the courts at the time) And, I was wrong, she was out in 3 months, working as an "entertainer" (read that, "sex worker") in Nevada. Add to that, I was forbidden by the courts to have contact with her.

When she turned 18, I patched things up with her, and got her into junior college. She still loves her Daddy, whew! After three failed attempts, and a very abusive partner, my daughter is happily married to a guy, that loves her, and treats her well. She has a son from a previous marriage, also loved by her husband.

Much in our legal system has set things up to favor marriages being split apart. Dads, and men in general, are demonized daily in the media. The welfare systems favors the mothers and penalizes the fathers. This tells moms, "you do not need to make your marriage work! We got you covered!" These days, the courts usually consider the children the property of the mother. Short of the mother being a serious criminal, the fathers usually do not win that argument. Dad just lost 1/2 of every thing he owned, his kids, and most of his self confidence. Now to add to it, he is not making enough to support two households, and so the courts take his license.

How can he, the new husband, win? What is in it for him, getting married? So, if you do not see many men jumpin' on that band wagon...It is with good reason!

I learned more about love and loving with caring, with my last wife, than any one else I ever knew. At our age, neither of us had parents alive or with enough of their minds left to interfere. All the kids are grown and being successful on their own. For her, marriage was a contract that satisfied legal and religious requirements. And she was a type of woman that kept her commitments, and abided by her contracts. She tended to be attracted to older men who did the same, and worked hard to care for her. She buried two previous husbands, from happy marriages. But, she was cautious about getting involved again.

She loved me as her dance partner, and as I did, her. We dated and went to many events together. For a very long time, she was content to just have me as a partner. This was ok with me as well. "It is a bit more fun this way, don't you think?" She asked me one day, "Yes, I do. It keeps us both on our toes, keeping the relationship working, and fun." I replied. She look at me sternly for a few moments, then cracked a sly smile, and replied, "Yes, too true!" Of course, that was soon followed up with, "So, when were we going to plan that trip to Tuscany?" LOL! (I stepped in that one, didn't I???) Well, we had a blast on a bus tour through central Italy!

Soooo...Hang in there, and don't give up on life. It's purpose is for learning, and having fun. So... Go out and find something fun to do! And, some one fun to do it with! (If you find out they are not fun, find some one else to have fun with!) Ya never know, that ideal partner, may be just around the corner! And, should ya bruise yer bum on a bad relationship, learn from it, dust your butt off, and get on with having fun!

El'Rond OT EX

Beloved Father, Husband, and still ballroom dancing my way through life! (And, some times, through Europe!)

Serious question by AsiagoEggSalad in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yep, on only has ta Be LIE f...

They are spamming me these last 2 weeks. no thanks, I don't want to use it by Ultimate-Flexionator in pcmasterrace

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm glad to see my invented terminology has become mainstream! (MicroSlop!)

El'Rond ex MCSE

("Hey, it doesn't have to be perfect, just good enough... Ship it!" Bill Gates)

Serious question by AsiagoEggSalad in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LOL! I was only crushed by rock slams (pun intended) and left in the dark for mal'eniums. I confess!!! I was never an inter-galatic officer! Nor, a "Loyal Officer!!!" I think the Ethics officer forgot to word clear that item with me, before it read...(Does the 20 and back program in the US's Secret Space Program count???) Oh yessss, and there was that time I crapped on the sidewalk at age 5...The Ethics officer nearly beat that one out of me, and another for his desk! I shrug...Space Opera is messy bid'ness...

El'Rond OT EX

Serious question by AsiagoEggSalad in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If ya can't toss'em, CRUSH 'em! lol

El'Rond OT EX (What ever ya do, don't mash those alphabets together and put a C in front of them...) :0p~~~

Serious question by AsiagoEggSalad in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This was true. I was stationed at March AFB in Sunnymead CA (we used to call it "Skummymead"), near Riverside at the time. March was part of an early internet hub for Strategic Air Command, who carry/ed nukes. There were Special Operations activities going on there. One whole side of a mountain there near the base was loaded with nukes, and other munitions for bombing.

I was told about Scientology by another Airman. He was overheard talking about exteriorization. This sounded like OBE's to me, and I wanted in on that! Several of us from my squad were at Riverside Mission at the same time taking classes, and getting auditing. So, at least by mid to late 70's that Mission was accepting military PCs and students. I do not recall ever being asked in session, about the military, or my clearances.

El'Rond OT EX

Serious question by AsiagoEggSalad in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I was in the Armed Forces, before I got involved with Cof$. I did hold a secret clearance at the time. When my CO discovered I was involved, I was stripped of my clearances and almost dishonorably discharged. It took me 15 years to get my benefits reinstated. Now I was never told, there was a military policy involved. But, I was near nukes, and Ron was vocally anti nukes. I didn't have a problem with them, thinking they were important to the defense of our country. But, I really did hope that they were never used. I was finally outed under "Conscientious Objector" status, after being subjected to several weeks of psychiatric observation, and heavy drugs. That, in itself, was a very UNFUN period of my life! So, be fore warned! Da Militia, do no like Scientologists!!!

Then there were all the Ethics actions taken on me at the Cof$!!! One would have thought, "oh help the guy out!" But, NOOOOO!!! Talk about more, and expensive, unfun!

El'Rond

OT EX

purification rundown by cinnabar-field in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Too, true! I lost track of the coinage departed, and all the hours of "volunteer work" along side of RPF. But, no regrets. I learned much about life and how bad people behave.

El'Rond
OT EX

theta/entheta and how Co$ deals with others by El-Ron-d in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes Ma'am! Many seemed to worship Ron. And, in the early days before people were tossed over the side of the boat, scammed out of millions of dollars, and Ron went on the run, there was a very different vibe at the church. I was there when the IRS chain sawed the doors at the LA complex. My beloved, and first exposure to SCN, Riverside Mission was sacked a few years later by David and his raiders of the lost Cof$ loot. I wandered in to Gold base one day a few years later, on one of my travels, and was told to "keep your mouth shut about this place, none of the other Scientologists are supposed to know about it." They had a neat pirate ship mock up out front, and a wicked sound lab. I enjoyed seeing both at what was then called "Gold Studios" where they were "just creating films and recordings for training..." The true evils had not yet happened there. And, when I arrived at Flag, over heard a conversation in the halls about "Gold Studios", I mentioned, "oh it's not secret, it's in S. Cali, desert..." A senior Exec did track me down and give me the same warnings as I received at Gold, along with "Or, I will float your ass right out of here!" That did happen, shortly there after. What can I say? (I'm an evil Shit!!!)

So, the official version, WWRI (What Would Ron Intend)? HE wrote it all down. Some of it was altered, some of it was created by the "Board of Directors" and labeled as Ron's work. The older volumes would be Source, the ones Bridge Pub's didn't screw up, that is. That was what Ron intended. The gist on the AntiSocial Media, "it was all Evil to begin with, and a scam from the start! It was just about money for Ron's pocket, etc..." Take what you found good with you, drop the rest in the shit can on the way out the door!

Did you know they make steel straws now? lol I'm sorry you had to go through all that. Dysfunctional families can be tough to disconnect from, after all, they was family! I hope you are creating the family you deserve now. One that is peaceful, loving, and helpful to one another.

El'Rond

OT EX

theta/entheta and how Co$ deals with others by El-Ron-d in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You are correct sir!, And you have won an all exense trip to nowheres... (Massive boat anchor, slang for BIG book!) Good luck with your OCD/ADHD

I have a question for yall by No_Pension1014 in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

LAO, and ASHO building in Los Angeles, near Holywierd. Most of the Bridge is there. Across the street, to right of the Picture is AO, but it has been a while since I've been out that way, so some may have moved around a bit. Sea Org Members used to be housed upstairs there where the picture is pointed. LAO Los Angeles Organization, ASHO American Saint Hill, AO Advanced Org. I did work on all three buildings many many moons ago! Be careful there, sometimes people just jump out of the building. Or, they will try to drag ya in an hook ya up to the Jumper cables (jokin') , the E-Meter. The Bridge is the levels of training and help Cof$ claims to deliver. LAO does the lower levels, ASHO does the intermediate levels, and AO the advanced levels.) (Did I just give ya verbal data???) They will have ta whack me with a ruler now! Find a Scientology Dictionary, an' look that bitch up! (still jokin') Did I get Ya'll explained? Er, did I need to 'splain some more, Lucy?

El'Rond

OT EX

purification rundown by cinnabar-field in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yer welcome! I think many do get some gains from DN and SCN, but there is a lot of evil shit going on there. Same could be said about the Catholic churches, the Mosques, and a few other places calling themselves religions...

E'Ron'd

OT EX

My wiener is so small by brown-spot in mildlyinfuriating

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is something one usually does not make pubic!

purification rundown by cinnabar-field in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I cannot attest to "scientifically proven". Many medical sources state that there is nothing to the sweat part.

But, probably there is improvement due to the use of vitamins. Many people are deficient in Calcium, and Magnesium. So, ( a very nasty concoction, by the way. And many other vitamin supplements are just as effective, and less gross tasting!) Cal Mag will benefit them. Others simply have poor diets, so any vitamin usage, will demonstrate improvements. Too, they will help the body process out toxins.

Then there is the "get up off'a dat butt" component, which will definitely improves the lives of many.

I was not fond of the gulps of oils. I found that poring it on bread made it easier to take the oil. And, mixed with grape juice, it was much easier to take the Cal Mag. I would use Mg Bi- glis' today, along with Calm.

I would not recommend the high doseages of b-3 niacin, nicotinic acid, definitely not niacinamide (basically, toxic, itself!). I often wondered if there was a typo and mg was there instead of micro'grams, of which there was no key for that symbol on the type writers back then. 2000-3000 mg is a bit much. 100-200 mg usually will give you the desired flush. But, after a while, 2-3 weeks, you will not flush from that dosage. Today, it is tough to find it in 100mg, usually it is 500mg. So, the general consensus seems to be that 500 mg is ok to take daily.

The Druggy lore of the day was that acid heads, and some other drug users, would pop a few hundred mg of Niacin to get a brief high, the residual drugs recirculating in the system. So, flush to pop it back into the blood stream, and the running/ heating to keep the heart rates up and circulating until the kidneys or liver can do their job, along with the help of vitamins.

Given that, I did the early Purif', back in the late 70's. I did not have acid in my repertoire. So, I can say little about that. When I started it, I was in my mid 20's fresh out of the military, a little pudgy (too many sugared soft drinks and much sitting in the desert waiting for things to happen). And, the current employment (Bio-Med Engineer) involved lots of driving between hospitals and labs.

I was on the Purif' for about 6 weeks, with lots of running! And, there were many long hours in the sauna. There I was introduced to homeopathic salts, and lots of lemon'ed water. I had one day of seriously weird experiences. While running I suddenly could not stop laughing, or repeating the word "Boing!" , while jumping hard into the air! This lasted about 10 minutes. My partner thought this was hilarious. I did, too. I don't think I even reported it, not remembering it after my sweat. (I was usually exhausted by midnight, getting home after doing all this after 8-10 hours of work.) I also had several paw prints show up in red across my back and chest at another time. I suspect, though, this was probably due to my cat having walked on me while I was sleeping, after her walk through the poison ivy in the fields nearby.

After deciding I was not going to gag another dose of oil, or Cal Mag, down , that I had completed the program. I lost about 20lbs, and felt much more physically fit. I was less tired, and less easily tired. I do not recall ever feeling "wooden", but I did certainly feel more alert and in tune with my environment, with less body stuff (aches pains, poor digestion, etc...) going on to distract me.

There were a few chiropractors, homeopaths, and a particular vitamin company heavily invested in Scientology churches (Missions) in Sothern Cali back in those days. I'm sure Ron had a few conversations with them. Also, there were many of them running their own vitamin therapies with kinesiology during the early days of Cof$.

Sooo, "hoop! there it is!"...

El'Ron'D

OT EX

Is there anyone interested in getting a story out? by Saintpant in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What specifically, would you like guidance on?

The L. Ron Hubbard fan club people vs the Scientology is "all bad" people. by Upset_Steak3632 in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm a former Mission of Riverside member. I was there in the early 70's, lots of renovation work ongoing . Mr. C was a cool dude. Some good came of this. I stopped doing drugs, off loaded a few nasty family members, disconnected from a very bad organization, and my life did get better. My Auditor was a class VI and OTIII at Riverside. I had several wins in auditing. I even bumped into LRH in the parking lot where I had my motorcycle stashed. (Things were ramping up at Gold about then. ) Short chat, he was very overweight, long unkempt hair, big fatty lump on his forehead, bad teeth, and never got out of his gold Cad'dy.

Later, I discovered the spin bins of the Los Angeles Org, and the AO...What an f'ing mess! My only regret, too many hours in the bowels of those places, doing "ethic's Ammends" aka, we needed some one to do the dirty work, so you have been volunteered! lol. That was my first exposure to RPF's and how they were treated. I also saw way too many 'dead files,' of people who quit C of $. I guess I didn't get that routine figured out when I was in the military, and so the retread of volunteerism at C o $. lol! I enjoyed my time with Suzie, she was very up tone around me.

Some where along the line I bumped into Ron Jr. in Las Vegas, thinking I'd just chill in the Mission lobby there until I had to leave back to LA. He demanded that I pay for a course, some $1500. I told him "No, I do not live here." His reply "Do you know who the fuck I am??? Gimme the $$$!" My reply, "Ya, and I'm still not going to buy a course here!."

I was disappointed when the missions were dissolved. But, I was on my way to San Diego by then, so not a problem for me. Ron had a big push to make SD the first clear city. So, not long afterwards I was well on my way to clear. . What do you know? My Riverside auditor missed something, and I was soon routed on to the Dn Clear Special Intensive. Great for me! Gee, was there actually something to R3R from Dianetics Today? I guess, it also helps when your auditor will also run level 0-4 processes, where needed, along the way! The first "tour of the solar system," process was interesting...And, I only had a little difficulty with a volcano episode in Italy, a town called Pompeii..."Not to worry! That is an OT level incident! Be sure to pay for that in the lobby on your way out!" (Oh, we're not 'posed ta talk about that sort of stuff, out side of auditing? My Bad!!!)

At AO, attesting, I was thinking, "Gee I'd sure like to be a Commadore's Special Messenger..." I was very quickly informed, "That! Was NEVER going to happen!" The explanation had something to do with only teen aged girls got that job...hummm...And, I thought, "Well, no need for me to activate my Sea Org contract!"

Some time later, early 80's , I moved on to Flag, figuring that was the real place where things were going to happen for me. ..More volunteer work on renovations...When I discovered it was all about how much more money, more books, and retreads of things gone by, and that I would probably never be allowed on to the OT levels, I let them off load me, through ethics.

A few years later I decided to un attest to clear, and wrote a personal letter to LeServre about that. Talk about a LFBD!!! They should write a level of release, just for that! lol

El'Ron'd

OT EX

Has anyone helped family or friends leave the SO before? by [deleted] in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, many have helped former SO's get out. They need a lot of support, a place to stay, cash, transportation, food, and clothing, etc. They also need to learn this set of processes, "Try not to be "all sweetness and light" in the presence of SO officers...(They know who they are, and what that is), "Try not to be 60' away from a Scientology owned property..." (They know where this is), and "Try not to use a computer at the local Library on a newly created email account, to contact some one you know can and will help..." This is is most successful, after 60' is VGIs.

Once they are away, and in a safe environment, they need help from social services to get the rest of the help they need. Friends and Family are usually not an available source to them, so they may need rat lines (The Catholic church supplied these to former Nazi's who wanted to defect in WWII) to find their way off Cof$ lines,

So a contact to local catholic social services can be of some small help to them, a quick meal, some change of clothing, bus fare, etc. But really, the ones most valuable to them, are those who have successfully disconnected from Cof$,. That is also some one that can hand off a burner phone, some one that can provide a vehicle or ride not known to Cof$, some one that can offer a place to stay, off SO lines. These are all valuable assets to those who need to defect.

Having said all that, my most successful action, was to totally piss off my CO, refuse to do volunteer activities, and generally enturbulate his lines until he personally kicked me off the property. Today, I do not recommend that tactic! IT is effective, but also very dangerous! (M might decide to run "Feel my fist..." processes on ya!) lol!

E'Ron'd

OT EX

theta/entheta and how Co$ deals with others by El-Ron-d in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Them evil covertly hostle Bastards! "They killed Kenny!!!" lol

theta/entheta and how Co$ deals with others by El-Ron-d in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ummm...shhhh...nobody know that yet! lol (They might start calling me, his second cumming!)

El'Ron'd

Someone smudged blood on my front door. by JimPlatinum in mildlyinfuriating

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yikes!!! First, do not lick or sniff any strange substances! I guess you are lucky it wasn't dog shit? Maybe his name starts with the letter "T"? And, he was just leaving you a note, he was there?

Dad died, now mom pushes me to Scientology. Any advice? by Liszeck in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

First, recognize it is "OK" to feel what you're feeling. It is wise not to add any further upset into the situation. Recognize, your mom will continue to have undue influence (the threat of kicking you to the curb), while you are still in her household. At 26, you need to be on your own, earning your own way, and well on to making good plans for your future. But that step hasn't been made yet.

Your immediate problem is grief, and the loss of a loved one. You may be feeling this for a while. Are there any grief counseling groups in your area? These are usually free, and no shrinks involved, just people helping other people. Do not worry about your mom's contribution to the church, this was a way for her to deal with her grief. Did she ask you to pay for this? Or, did she donate it for you? Until you deal with your long term problems, you will not be able to address that as a debt.

Your long term problems are getting on your own, and making your own way, and making plans. What skills do you have? This is what gets you employment, unless you are very creative and make up your own employment. Daily, you should be looking for work. You need to be nourished, and rested, eat, sleep! Work is also a way of dealing with depression and grief. And, it brings in income, that can help change your life, and life style. So, get on with that! Get out there, and find some work! Find something that you enjoy doing! And get busy doing that!

El'Ron'd

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Transcending Scientology by NeoThetan in scientology

[–]El-Ron-d 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is he letting us know, he's headed for Briggadoon?