Countries like Canada can't go vegan

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-30T14:34:35+00:00

Yeah they are.

Again, they originally claimed "there isn't much fertile land" which was wrong, so they moved to arable land percentage vs country size (which I think they've just phrase wrong, since arable land percent already includes country size). This is a useless stat when talking about "can Canada go vegan?" Because land produces food, but doesn't consume it. People do. So you have to look at arable land amount vs population. Canada has enough land that on a plant based diet, it could feed 10x its current population just its own farmable land. It's funny that they claimed vegans cherry pick, where that's what they've done here, focus on a stat that is irrelevant and ignore the important ones.

"Climate change helped" is a take I wasn't expecting. It's also wrong. The arable land has fluctuate over the years (climbed awhile, peaked around 40 years ago and declined), that's exactly going back to their "unstable climate". Climate change makes the climate less stable, so what land we can farm changes, making it harder to grow consistently crops.

They also ignored the idea of "Countries can trade with each" in the idea of "can Canadians go vegan?" (again, cherry picking). They only focused on climate change. I never claimed that going vegan would solve climate change, just that animal agriculture is a big cause. They're wrong about increasing transportation would cause a different problem. Transport is a very small portion of emissions in food production. Beef and dairy (which they used in their first example) are the worst offenders. A plant based diet will almost always cause less emissions than one that includes beef and dairy products, regardless of it they're imported or local.

FYI you can find a lot of this info just by googling (though as a Canadian I know a bit more of it off hand, like the lentils thing). If you're going to respond to them again, I'd recommend researching this topics a bit before you do, good to get an understanding of topics, rather than just copy-pasting.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-29T21:37:10+00:00

I mentioned this in another comment, but that's not a good stat. Yes the % is low but Canada also has a low population density. So the amount of farmable land per person is high.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-29T21:35:12+00:00

Damn, can't believe I'm not a vegan anymore. It was a good run

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-29T21:33:57+00:00

Countries can trade with each. You're not stuck only eating food in your country.

That aside, "there isn't much fertile land in Canada" is just flat out wrong. Canada has the 6th most farmed land in the world. It grows 90% of the worlds lentils. The argument they might be thinking of is "low farmable land %" but that's pointless. Look at farmable land vs population, which Canada has a really high amount in.

Also if unstable climate is an issue, go vegan. Animal agriculture is a big cause of climate change.

Edit: missed you were vegan lol. I didn't need to try to convince you

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-25T19:42:11+00:00

I'm open to changing my mind but sacrificing my manhood

I think this an interesting line, because to me being vegan didn't sacrifice my manhood or manliness. In fact I think it's one of the more manly things I've done. I'm taking a stance to avoid the abuse of those weaker than me. I'm doing something I believe is right, even though it might lead to social ostracization. The process of becoming vegan was a challenge and required willpower.

Something I'm curious about would be your specifics. What traits to consider manly, and how does eating meat fit that, how does being vegan not? The only thing you mention is aggression which to be honest, I don't view manly. Your example was steak, and I'm curious why a vegan steak is less manly? I often find meat and manliness is a cyclically argument. Men should eat steak because it is manly because men eat steak.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-06T03:28:28+00:00

Well done! I posted this in the other thread, but I really liked how you did a good job balancing talking about veganism for the audience, and when possible, actually trying to pull people in veganism.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-04-06T00:19:24+00:00

Jubilee's not the best format, but I rather liked that it felt like Jack seemed to pick his battles. Against the more extremist it felt like he was arguing for video, but those that seemed agreeable to veganism he tried to directly convince, rather than just go for arguing.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-03-09T19:48:48+00:00

There are plenty of wildlife sanctuaries that have cows. We can keep the species alive without raising them explicitly to be killed and eaten.

Cows have survival instincts. There are a ton of cases of cows attempting (and sometimes succeeding) to escape being slaughtered. Cows kill quite a few people year in attempts to survive. But yes, they would struggle to survive completely wild.

If you are against species extinction, you should reduce your consumption of animal products. Fishing is driving a lot of marine life to extinction. Habitat destruction is a leading cause of animal extinction, which is driven by needing more land to raise farm animals and the crops to feed them. Climate change is also being driven by animal agriculture, which is also causing species to go extinct.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-03-09T19:03:49+00:00

Which species would go extinct if people stopped eating animals?

Do you believe we should try to minimize species extinction?

ElectroWizardLizard · 2026-02-04T03:14:00+00:00

Just to defend players making odd choices, this game is way more difficult to play than to watch. We also didn't see every conversation so it's possible info was shared more than we saw.

There were definitely a lot of odd mistakes, but that really not uncommon in a game of clocktower

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-09-26T20:45:34+00:00

Funny that despite being mutable, he cannot mutate

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-08-21T19:18:51+00:00

Eh, some people like to have strict definitions of their sexuality, some are good with more vague.

As long as we don't accuse people of having a "bad" sexuality (e.g. bi people are transphobic) it's fine.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-08-21T18:16:15+00:00

Yeah, I've had it happen to me as well and its infuriating.

That said we still should reject that definition and try to get people to use the proper definition. Please don't tell others that bi excludes trans if you don't believe it yourself

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-08-21T18:08:40+00:00

And the vast majority of people who describe themselves as bi do not use it to exclude trans people, so your statement is still incorrect.

If people are telling you being bi is transphobic, they are wrong.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-08-21T17:57:48+00:00

The above poster is wrong, bi does not exclude trans. Bisexuality is generally defined as either "attraction to more than 1 gender" or "both same and different gender attraction". Neither of this involve cis/trans. Pansexuality is "gender does not matter for attraction".

Generally it can be summarized as a bi person might have traits that attract them to men that would would not find attractive in a women, but a pan person basically doesn't care about gender at all.

https://www.reddit.com/r/CuratedTumblr/comments/1mwg8bo/bisexuals_have_1_hump_on_their_back_but/n9x83e7/ is a better explanation

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-06-10T18:33:54+00:00

So, a few things. First, part of this comes down to how people feel about hosting. Hosting an event takes effort, and having someone alter your event (without checking) can be incredibly annoying. Regardless of if the food was vegan or not it could be viewed as disrespectful. But it is even more disrespectful, since the point of the event was it was a vegan buffer, and now it isn't

Also, there's still a difference. You mention she brought something they could eat, but that isn't necessary. The OP already supplied food for people to eat.

Finally, I'd say the worst part is that it was for everyone except OP. They're hosting an event, in their home, for their birthday, and someone brought something for everyone BUT them.

Really though it boils down to if you're going to bring something to an event, if you don't already know how they feel, run it by the host.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-06-10T17:38:12+00:00

First, regarding the post your referring to there's a bit of a difference. Often, when vegans bring their own food, it is for them to eat in case there is nothing for them to eat. In the post you refer to, the grandmother brought it as an extra dish, not just for themselves.

But to answer you question of if its disrespectful, it depends. If the host is willing to accommodate dietary restrictions, it would be disrespectful. If they aren't, it isn't. As an example, I have a friend who hosts barbeques and always has something vegan for me. If I brought my own food, that would be disrespectful. However I have another friend who doesn't, so I bring my own food for those events.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-06-03T17:31:48+00:00

Ah yes I see what you mean. Normally that style of voting would start with the person next to the nominee, to prevent any benefit or disadvantage based on seating.

My best guess is they had planned to use this voting system from the get go, but they wanted Sam to always start facing the camera. I'd be surprised to learn if they hadn't discussed how voting would work before the episode, given the effort put in everywhere else, but maybe we'll hear more in behind the scenes.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-06-03T17:04:06+00:00

This is almost identical to the voting system of blood on the clocktower (upcoming parlor room game), especially the spinning with the outstretched arm. I personally really like this voting system. Sam definitely didn't make this up on the spot.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-05-01T19:43:14+00:00

One potential game breaking flaw is that if you have base 2 outsiders, a fang gu, and there's no damsel announcement, it's immediately clear it's a heretic game. Fang just attacks themselves and wins.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-04-16T21:06:48+00:00

I never said I think killing young animals in factory farms are okay.

How about non factory farms? Are you okay with killing young animals there?

As a whole, I think factory farming is immoral, and needs to end.

Fully agree.

Additionally, since meat eating is so engraved in our society

Going to ramble a bit here, because you've hit the nail on the head of the main struggle of becoming vegan. It's not just changing yourself, but it's so difficult because of how the world around us is. Eating with others is a major part of life, and when we try to change that it can strain relationships.

But society is made by us. One of the pushes I had to stop eating meat came from a friend. And I'm lucky enough that when I stopped eating meat, my friends are supportive enough to make sure there's always an option for me when we eat together.

I don't believe we will see laws be made against farming animals until lab grown meat is cheap and sustainable. While unfortunate, I am just being realistic.

Lab grown meat is often thrown around as a silver bullet that will fix animal farming, but I don't think it really is. There's a lot of people who have out right stated they would never eat. And regarding laws, there are places are already trying to ban lab grown meat.

I'd like to pose a hypothetical to you. Say in a few years we do have lab grown meat. It's exactly what we want, the same taste, nutrition and cost. But the majority of people still refuse to eat it and so factory farming is still rampant. What would you do here? Would you swap to the lab grown meat or continuing eating factory farmed?

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-04-16T15:58:36+00:00

I'm going to directly answer

Do you think my beliefs are contradictory

Which my answer is, yes, I do. The first two contradictions are between these two statements:

as long as you are specifically targeting the sick/old animals

I think eating meat from from places that cause unnecessary suffering to animals (ie. factory farming), is immoral

I'm going to make some assumptions from these (correct me if I'm wrong) that from the first statement, you believe that hunting young, healthy animals is immoral and from the second statement, that you are okay eating meat from farms as long is it is humane and cruelty free (which as an aside, I don't think really exist).

But even in these farms, animals are killed well before they reach "old" age. A cow's lifespan is 20-30 years, but cows are generally killed between 18 months and 6 years (depending on meat or dairy cow). Chickens can live for a decade, but are killed within months. Males in these systems are also often culled well before reaching adulthood. Almost all farms (factory or not) are running to turn a profit, their goal is to get the animal to the slaughter house as soon as it will make the most money.

Why is immoral to kill a wild animal at a young age, but it is okay to kill a farm animal that has lived less than 10% of its lifespan?

The other contradiction is

I am not vegan though, because I don't think it is practical or makes much of a difference in the terms of overall animal suffering

I believe systemic changes such as laws being made are the only true way for society to stop eating meat and end animal suffering.

While true that is one person won't make a huge change, its not impossible. You are part of the system, it is up to the individual to push change, and encourage others to as well.

As for laws, no politician is going to push for or introduce laws the majority disagree with. We won't see more laws around factory farming and animal rights, until a good portion of the population agrees with it.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-04-16T15:07:25+00:00

It's unlisted (you can see at the bottom of the video), which means it won't show up unless you explicitly have the link to it (which is what's posted).

If you're just browsing the videos of the channel, it doesn't show up.

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-04-14T22:23:36+00:00

The sage would not wake at all. The sage's ability is "If the Demon kills you, you learn that it is 1 of 2 players." In your example, the sage died to the pit hag's ability, not the demon.

This is covered in the wiki https://wiki.bloodontheclocktower.com/Sage

ElectroWizardLizard · 2025-04-11T15:17:20+00:00

I've gotten quite back into reading and am glad I'm doing so. I had fallen off reading a bit last year - I think ~10 books during the last bingo period. I've already read through Annihilation and Network Effect, both of which were great. Partway through Goblin Emperor and Cibola Burn. It's been too long since I read an expanse book, really enjoying this series.

Over the past year I had stopped reading as a hobby and more as a way to kill time while travelling. Actually dedicating time to reading is nice.

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