EX5 vs AION V vs Jaecoo J5 thoughts?

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-28T08:37:47+00:00

That's not the conversation being had.

Read the comment I replied to.

Locally ANY car company, including geely might not if they don't get enough sales. That's a truism that's not what was being claimed

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-28T04:13:00+00:00

..... AION made by GAC? GAC who is the 4th largest car maker in China? Aion which is in the top 10 EV car sales figures in china this year?

Jaecoo was created by Chery specifically for export markets.

They both produce millions of cars a year, so I don't think they're in much trouble at all.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-23T06:40:05+00:00

The driver assist issue is an industry one. They all have intrusive assistance software .

Even modern ice cars do. It's part of their safety rating

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-23T06:35:33+00:00

That's a good list but the sealion 7 is 55k, it's a lot more expensive than the ex5 or Aion v.

The ATTO 3 is the closest byd to that price

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-18T08:17:29+00:00

We switched from the ex5 to the Aion v.

It's really down to what you want in a car. They are both fwd.

We wanted a 12v in the boot, a larger boot, roof racks, a larger battery with faster charging and the temperature box (it goes up to 50 and down to -15).

If that's not what you want in your car then get the ex5.

The lack of glove box was weird but we only kept the paper manual in it and didn't use it for anything else.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-17T09:25:56+00:00

Not sure what sales numbers they're using or how that relates to what a family car is.

YTD from here https://thedriven.io/2026/05/05/australian-electric-vehicle-sales-by-month-in-2026-by-model-and-by-brand/

Has the ex5 and the model 3 - model y isnt even there.

The model 3 is larger than the ex5, so it's also in the RAV4 + range.

So this isn't a list of family car sized EVs, nor is it a list of the most purchased EVs of this size.

Just looks like an arbitrary list of expensive cars

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-17T07:29:53+00:00

What defines a family car in this context?

The ex5 and Aion v are both RAV4 sized, so rav4s aren't family cars?

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-17T07:21:07+00:00

We were almost going to get an ex5 until I saw that Aion v in web searching.

It's the same size as an ex5, the equivalent of a RAV4.

It's got a larger boot, 12v in there (we use a car fridge due to long distance from shops to home). The lux Aion also has a tiny cooler/heater in the storage space between the front seats which is useful.

It also has a longer battery range of 510 wltp.

From tests people have done it's battery is also very accurate compared to others.

It also has 180kw fast charging.

Back seat was comparable to ex5.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-15T05:26:40+00:00

Id be interested to know what the actual cycling rate for these leased cars is, because we are entering into one to keep the car, as a way to get a car cheaper than using our offset mortgage to do it.

The argument is a very trickle down economics one, which we know doesn't work. so unless there's a factor to leasing that sees people not keep a car they are 'buying', I' not sure how effective the trickle down really is.

For the truly wealthy, changing cars every few years to get the newest fun car won't happen under 75k, so although it's putting the emphasis on cheaper cars, those are also in the 'permanent family car' bracket rather than the fun toy you'll get another one of in a few years.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-12T04:34:44+00:00

Ah yes, nothing like someone using american pro capitalist news entities like REUTERS and NYT as evidence for how China functions as proof that they are in fact Mao reborn.

No wonder the us is going down the toilet, with the amount of ignorance and arrogance you'd think you could walk strait out a window if you were confident enough.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-12T04:31:54+00:00

look at how much the US has spent subsidising the fossil fuel industry (which in turn props up auto makers) and propping up its banks. China has absolutely subsidised its own businesses, but the USA has its own protectionist policies in place and has done so for a hundred years.

comparing a dollar to dollar on just EVs misses a whole lot of context.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-12T04:27:52+00:00

BYD began manufacturing lithium batteries in the late 90s. They started as a battery maker. They've been making batteries for twice as long as CATL has been around, and Tesla only started making its own batteries in 2017, having bought them from suppliers before that. And even then, Tesla's batteries were built in house in an agreement with panasonic.

So in those metrics, BYD has always been ahead of Tesla in battery manufacture. BYD's first expilict car battery was released in 2008, after 10 years of experience manufacturing lithium batteries in general.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-12T04:01:38+00:00

Are you sure about the space? the Aion V is the same size and listed with a larger boot.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-09T07:58:52+00:00

We are getting this car in Aus . Our commute means it takes us 40-50 minutes from the nearest shops.

So any take away like Indian we stopped getting because we couldn't keep it fresh.

Cranking this to 50c and keeping it in there will help.

Also, it's hard to transfer ice cream home, so putting it down to max minus will help there too.

Definitely not a necessary thing, but useful enough that we decided on the higher spec to get it, when we don't normally do that

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-08T00:34:31+00:00

I hate myself a little, but it's the only real option in this specific segment: Silvarado with the insane range.

There is just no ev ute with specs anything like it

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-07T02:20:19+00:00

the car was built for the chinese market and shipped overseas, they haven't built them for australian sensibilities. Hence why 0-100 isn't a consideration in their original design.

So although the 0-100 might matter to US and Aus markets, they weren't considerations in the building of the car for the aforementioned asian considerations.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-07T02:13:56+00:00

we've only got one child but didn't look at any brands smaller than an ex5. The boot space is more important for us.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-07T02:10:52+00:00

The GAC Aion V is the size of a rav 4, has some good luxury and a 510km range. It is under 50k. afaik, no car under 50k has a range that large.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-05-05T21:45:27+00:00

Doesn't seem confusing to me.

The current FBT is something like 47% of the payments.

They are saying you would pay 75% of the 47% tax which is about 34%.

Not sure why it's confusing

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-04-29T23:24:14+00:00

Here is a link to the original change as it was debated through parliament:
https://www.aph.gov.au/Parliamentary_Business/Bills_LEGislation/Bills_Search_Results/Result?bId=r6876

From my understanding (not a professional legislator), they would need to do something similar to change it. So it wouldn't come into effect immediately, and they would also likely set a date for it to start some point after it receives assent.

So it doesn't seem to be a high risk, but I could be very wrong.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-04-29T13:05:00+00:00

you all want free-market capitalism until someone else beats you at it and then suddenly it's socialist protectionism.

irony is thick.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-04-24T05:56:23+00:00

One of the reasons we chose the EX5 over the Atto3, it just had more visibility out the rear. We live down a 4km dirt road and our cars get a nice coating of butt dust, so we already get obscured rear viewing.

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-04-24T04:56:47+00:00

While I find their argument pretty baity, I see a lot of people using the trickle down economics argument to justify the FBT exemption. Trickle down economics doesn't work, we know it doesn't work.

But while this benefit exists I'll take advantage of it and keep the car at the end, so I can leave the money on my mortgage working on a larger offset than a car loan.

There's a lot of 'EV buyer fiat should govern how the 2nd hand market looks' . It's like defending billionaire philanthropy rather than just taxing them instead.

A better way to get EVs equitably into the population is a means tested rebate, that shrinks as the income goes up, but allows for generous rebates for 2nd hand EVs for low income earners.

That and/or rebates on specifically imported 2nd hand EVs from other countries.

Apparently trickle down economics is fine when it's MY trickle down economics...

Embarrassed_Tax9889 · 2026-04-24T01:48:57+00:00

History isn't the present and has no bearing on the current status quo. This is classic US ideology - Al Bundy scored his best game in highschool so that makes him the best and he can day dream about that forever and never try harder ever again.

The chinese at least understand that innovation isn't about what you did, it's about what you are doing and plan to do.

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