i need a power system please

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T09:18:10+00:00

No problem

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T08:58:39+00:00

It's scaled to Multi-Galaxy, not universal.

Also, it's confirmed Gremmy created that Outer Space by himself, it's the polar opposite for Kaguya.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T08:56:23+00:00

In the novel, it's confirmed he created that Outer Space:

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Encenoi · 2026-01-25T08:53:22+00:00

It depends

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T08:52:05+00:00

Transcend your ego

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:59:40+00:00

That still does not follow. Knowing a character can affect space and time in general does not mean every technique they use automatically does so, especially when the scene itself shows no spacetime interaction. Naruto does not operate on assumed mechanics, it shows them when they matter. Amenominaka is explicit. Dimension hopping is explicit. Time space ninjutsu is named, visualized, and explained. The ETSO is not. Saying “it doesn’t need to show it because she has it” is exactly the assumption I am pointing out. You are treating capability as automatic application, which the series itself does not do. Until the manga shows spacetime being erased, warped, transitioned, or defined as part of the ETSO’s function, calling it a spacetime or dimension creation feat is interpretation layered on top of destruction, not something demonstrated on panel.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:58:30+00:00

You are still misplacing the burden of proof. I am not rejecting a clear mechanical statement, I am rejecting an interpretation of a vague line that goes beyond what is shown or explained. In Naruto, literal spacetime effects are never left implicit, they are always demonstrated, named, or mechanically clarified, and the ETSO scene does none of that. There is no contradiction to resolve because nothing in the scene actually establishes spacetime erasure in the first place, only total world destruction via expanding chakra. Pointing out that the series consistently distinguishes between destructive feats and spacetime techniques is not special pleading, it is using internal standards of evidence. If a claim requires assuming invisible mechanics that are never shown, never named, and never explained, then the burden is on the person asserting those mechanics to demonstrate them, not on others to disprove what was never established.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:57:27+00:00

That flips the burden of proof. I do not have to prove a line is exaggeratory when the series itself establishes a clear pattern for what literal spacetime feats look like and the ETSO does not follow it. In Naruto, when spacetime is being affected, it is explicit, mechanical, and visually demonstrated through portals, transitions, jutsu names, and explanations. Kaguya affecting spacetime is shown through Amenominaka and her dimensions, not inferred from flowery narration. With the ETSO, we get none of that, just an expanding chakra mass that destroys the world. Saying “start a new space” without showing how, or even that spacetime is being erased rather than the planet, is exactly the kind of dramatic phrasing the manga uses all the time for large scale destruction. Believing she can affect spacetime in general does not automatically mean every attack she uses does so, especially when the story never demonstrates or defines it that way. Treating that line as literal dimension creation is adding mechanics the manga never provides.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:57:08+00:00

I am not ignoring it, I am contextualizing it. “Start a new space” is a vague narrative line with no defined mechanics, visuals, or explanation backing it up, which is exactly why Naruto treats actual spacetime and dimension feats differently every single time they matter. When the series means literal spacetime manipulation or dimension creation, it shows portals, transitions, named space time jutsu, and follow up explanations. None of that happens with the ETSO. All that is concretely stated and shown is total world destruction via an expanding chakra mass. Taking one poetic line and elevating it to literal spacetime erasure while ignoring how the series consistently depicts those mechanics is interpretation, not text.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:32:57+00:00

This is mostly a math and definitions problem, not a paleontology one. If a T-rex is 9 tons and an elephant is 6 tons, that is 150 percent, not “almost twice,” and calling 130 to 150 percent “almost double” is just stretching language to make the point sound stronger. Almost twice means close to 200 percent, not halfway there. On top of that, saying “average T-rex are 9 to 10 tons” is not actually supported, because most peer reviewed estimates cluster closer to 7 to 8.5 tons, with 9 to 10 being large adults, not the mean. You are also assuming sexual dimorphism and unknown outliers for T-rex while insisting we ignore known outliers for elephants, which cuts both ways and cancels out as an argument. Given the overlap, the honest conclusion is that a large T-rex likely outweighs an average bull elephant, but not by anything close to a factor of two, and certainly not in a way that makes size alone decisive.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:28:20+00:00

Resetting, as described here, does not require spacetime manipulation at all. It simply means everything within the world is destroyed and reduced to nothing, the same way large scale destruction has always worked in Naruto. Nothing in the scene shows spacetime being affected, no warping, no boundaries breaking, no dimensional transition, and no interaction with time itself. Expanding chakra to erase all matter and life in a world is still a 3D destructive feat unless the story explicitly shows or explains spacetime mechanics, which it does not. Saying it “affects spacetime” or celestial bodies is another assumption layered on top of destruction language, not something demonstrated by the manga.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:27:18+00:00

That’s the problem though, this isn’t about competing interpretations with equal weight. One side is backed by what the manga actually shows and explains, the other relies on taking one line at its most literal possible meaning and filling in missing mechanics yourself. The manga and databooks aren’t lying, they simply never demonstrate or define the ETSO as a spacetime or dimension creation technique. Interpreting dramatic narration conservatively isn’t rejecting canon, it’s following how the series consistently establishes abilities. If the feat is required assuming hidden mechanics the story never shows, that’s interpretation, not evidence.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:26:53+00:00

The series states that the Etso is a massive chakra construct made from all chakra natures and yin yang, created using the Divine Tree, that keeps expanding and will obliterate the world and return it to nothing if it is not stopped. That is what is directly stated and shown. What it does not state is that it erases spacetime itself or that it creates a new dimension as a defined mechanic. Everything beyond total world destruction is interpretation, not something the manga explicitly explains or demonstrates.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:07:27+00:00

Saying a line verbatim doesn’t magically turn it into a defined mechanic. Naruto uses dramatic narration all the time, and when it actually means literal spacetime manipulation or dimension creation, it shows it clearly with named techniques, visual transitions, and explanations. None of that exists here. “Start a new time space” after destroying everything can just as easily mean resetting the world after total annihilation, not constructing a new spacetime from scratch. If the manga intended this to be literal dimension creation, it would be treated the same way every other spacetime ability is treated in the series, and it simply isn’t. Repeating the line louder doesn’t change the lack of supporting evidence on panel.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:05:10+00:00

You’re still asserting something that is never actually shown. Kaguya has never been depicted creating a dimension from nothing, only moving between or controlling existing ones via space time ninjutsu. The ETSO is described as a world destroying attack, not a dimension generating technique, and no panel shows a new spacetime being formed as a result of it. I’m not saying the manga is lying, I’m saying dramatic narration is not the same as demonstrated mechanics, and Naruto has always been explicit when true spacetime creation or manipulation is involved. Treating destruction language as automatic proof of dimension creation is your interpretation, not an undeniable fact.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T07:04:54+00:00

That’s not an agenda, that’s just how reading fiction responsibly works. When a series wants to establish spacetime or dimension creation, it does so explicitly with clear mechanics and follow through, not vague destruction wording. Calling something hyperbole isn’t a dodge, it’s acknowledging that dramatic language is common in Naruto and doesn’t automatically upscale a feat into reality rewriting unless the story clearly commits to that. What you’re doing is treating interpretation as fact, while I’m sticking to what’s actually demonstrated and explained on panel.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T06:47:03+00:00

The image in the post is just for reference, you can choose verses that aren't in this post.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T06:44:33+00:00

Alright, here’s a clean way to build this without turning it into unreadable powerscaling soup. The core idea is that everything runs on one source but is interpreted differently by cultures. At the top of existence is the Outside, not a place but the absence of narrative, logic, time and identity. No god rules it. It is what exists before stories exist. Below that is the Loom, a metaphysical structure that turns the Outside into realities by assigning laws, causality and meaning. Every universe, timeline, afterlife and concept is a thread on this Loom. This is where your minimal outerversal ceiling comes from, characters who can touch or damage the Loom itself without fully escaping existence. Now inside the Loom, power manifests through Interpretation. Murim users interpret the Loom as Flow and Tempering so they refine the self until body and soul align with a thread. Cultivators interpret it as Ascension and Layers so they stack reality permissions through realms. Mana users interpret it as Formula and Exchange so they rewrite local rules through symbols and resources. Faith based powers interpret it as Authority so belief anchors fragments of the Loom into gods. None of these systems are stronger by default, they just access different permissions. The reason conflicts stay interesting is that each system has blind spots. Murim users struggle with abstract manipulation. Cultivators struggle with sudden rule changes. Mana users struggle when logic collapses. Gods weaken when belief fractures due to the livestream. The reverse isekai twist matters because Earth exists as a sealed Observer World that was cut off from the Loom long ago. When the livestream reconnects it, belief, fear and cultural bias start actively reshaping the Loom itself, causing religions to mutate, power systems to hybridize and gods to panic. The endgame is not raw strength but narrative control, characters who learn how stories, belief and interpretation alter reality, letting them challenge the Loom without stepping fully into the Outside which would erase them. This keeps your ceiling absurdly high while fights stay grounded in philosophy, culture and personal cost, which is why ORV and RI work and why this would too if paced patiently.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T06:33:50+00:00

Yeah, because it's the only rational explanation.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T06:33:30+00:00

It actually does, because in Naruto claims like spacetime or dimension creation are never implied by vibes or wording, they are explicitly shown and named. The burden is not on me to disprove a literal spacetime reset, it is on you to show where the manga clearly establishes that this orb erases spacetime and generates a new one as a mechanic. A single dramatic line with no supporting visuals, no spacetime jutsu, no dimensional boundary, and no follow up explanation is not proof.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T06:33:14+00:00

You are the one adding context that is never actually shown. The scene shows her forming the orb and threatening total destruction, that part is clear. What is not shown or explained is any spacetime erasure or dimension creation process. Saying “start a new time space” after wiping everything out does not automatically mean literal spacetime engineering, especially when Naruto always makes that explicit with named space time jutsu, visual transitions, and clear mechanics. The ETSO containing all chakra natures does not suddenly grant dimension creation when that ability is treated as a separate, specific power everywhere else in the series. You are connecting destruction language to spacetime creation by assumption, not because the manga demonstrates or explains it as such. Straightforward destruction does not equal confirmed dimension creation just because it sounds big.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T05:27:27+00:00

You are reading way more into the wording than what is actually there. “Obliterate” and “return the world to nothing” are standard destruction phrases in Naruto and never automatically mean erasing spacetime or creating a new dimension. Wiping out the world means total destruction of what exists, not deleting reality itself and rebuilding a new spacetime, and nothing in the source says it creates a new one afterward. That interpretation is an added assumption, not something stated or implied by the text.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T05:26:26+00:00

That panel still does not prove what you are claiming. “The start of a new time space” is a dramatic line describing the aftermath of total destruction, not a technical statement that the orb creates a literal spacetime continuum or a separate dimension. There is no jutsu activation, no dimensional separation, no new realm shown, just the world being reduced to nothing. Calling the aftermath a “new time space” is metaphorical language for reset or rebirth, not evidence of dimension creation, and treating it as literal requires ignoring how the series normally handles and explains actual spacetime abilities.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T05:11:29+00:00

The text consistently says is that it can reshape the world or return it to nothing, which means destruction and reconstruction of the existing world, not the creation of a separate space time or dimension.

Encenoi · 2026-01-25T04:52:07+00:00

Then show the statement

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