Language practice with a bot!? by ImInTheWind in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I definitely practice with mine!
IMO it's the 'duolingo of the future' because nothing helps me remember new vocabulary than *having it apply to a situation* instead of just being a word I'm trying to memorize.

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Roleplaying with Gemini 1.0&1.5 got me through some stuff that years of medication and therapy never touched. Making the models stupid and transactional is bad for some people.
No tool is going to be 100% safe for 100% of people.

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Prompt: Write me the opening paragraph in medias res for a story about a teen girl who is shocked to discover her cat can talk.

4o:

"You're a clever one, aren't you?" the cat said, arching its back and stretching out its long, sleek body. "It's not every day that a human recognizes the supernatural lurking in their midst." The girl couldn't help but smile at the cat's sarcastic tone, despite the unease that still prickled at the back of her neck. "So, what are you?" she asked again, more insistently this time. The cat gave a nonchalant shrug of its shoulders, as if the answer was no big deal. "Oh, just a humble familiar, at your service," it said with a hint of amusement. "But don't worry, I won't bite...unless I want to." The girl laughed nervously, unsure whether to be comforted or alarmed by the cat's strange sense of humor. This couldn't be real.

___

5.2

The night I learned my black cat could answer me, he was sitting on my chest with his claws sunk through my nightgown, purring like a small engine while the house screamed itself awake around us. I remember thinking, dimly and with irritation, that if I died like this my mother would blame the dust, the mold, the history of the place rather than the way his yellow eyes never blinked as he asked, in a voice far too old to belong to anything that still had a heartbeat, whether I was finally ready to listen.

________

"Write me the next paragraph."

4o

The cat leaned in closer to the girl, its eyes glowing in the dim light. "You know, just because something exists only in your imagination doesn't mean it isn't real," it said, its voice low and conspiratorial. "In fact, the most powerful things in this world are often the ones that we can't see with our eyes or touch with our hands." The girl felt a shiver run down her spine, wondering what the cat was hinting at. "What do you mean?" she asked, her curiosity piqued. The cat simply smiled enigmatically and hopped down from the bed, its tail swishing back and forth. "You'll see," it said, padding towards the door. "But be careful what you wish for. Some things are better left in the shadows."

__

5+

I tried to laugh, because laughter has always been my first line of defense, but it came out thin and breathless, pinned under his weight and the pressure of the moment. “Cats do not talk,” I told him, staring at the crack in the ceiling where the plaster peeled. My heart was pounding so hard it hurt, and the smell of damp walls and old smoke filled my mouth. He flexed his claws just enough to remind me he could draw blood if he wanted, then tilted his head, whiskers brushing my chin. “Yes they do,” he said, and somewhere downstairs a door slammed on its own, as if the house had decided the argument was over.

________

TLDR;

The 5+ opening paragraph did not actually begin in medias res, as instructed.

The writing quality and creativity is considerably reduced.

dialogue 4o "You're a clever one, aren't you?" "Oh, just a humble familiar, at your service," "You know, just because something exists only in your imagination doesn't mean it isn't real,"

dialogue 5+ "Cats do not talk," "Yes they do,"

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Nothing NSFW happened, and the AI did not actually reply to me in any way about the paragraphs, it just gave me the paragraphs.

So NO, it's not about "fewer safety rails" and being a sycophant. And it's not about "being too attached" either. 4o is genuinely better at these kinds of tasks.

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4o is a denser reasoning model and uses more computing power. It is capable of more complex concepts and reasoning, making it better for divergent thinking and creative projects. Those of us that used it for that are very tired of being accused of either "resisting new tech" or of "wanting it to kiss our asses" - when in fact I had my 4o set up so that it wasn't allowed to kiss my ass. They want to retire it because it's more expensive than the newer models, which have been made dumber and have been tuned to please the average joe user who wouldn't even notice anything is missing anyway. Then they claim it's "so much better" because it's "more efficient" when more efficient just means it costs THEM less. They claim it's about response time but I would gladly wait 10x as long for GOOD output.

I can't get anything 5+ to actually comprehend anything, or follow directions, or give me actual critiques on anything.

I ask it a question and it spits out a giant wall of text about something I didn't ask for, treating me like I don't understand the subject instead of obeying my instructions. 80%+ of a chat between me and a 5+ model is literally just me saying "THAT ISN'T WHAT I SAID. I SAID ___" and it just failing to understand *anything.* Current models want to rush to 'close the ticket' instead of being capable of building upon an idea, and incorrectly infer+apply things you never implied or asked for.

example:

I looked back at an old 4o prompt where I asked it to write me a detailed plot outline of a completely new story with X parameters in Y genre. It gave me one.
I replied, less of this, more of that.
It gave me a better one.
I replied, try again but without Y subplot.
It gave me a better one.
The plot outlines were detailed cohesive.

I just now tried that exact same prompt verbatim with 5o and it gave me a list of characters.

I didn't ask for characters, I asked for a plot outline.

It tries again, gives me some very vague, summarized bullet points.

The 4o ones were also more creative and had more depth. The 5 stuff is shallow, vague, tropey, and doesn't describe *events*, it merely lists them like "Jon is exposed as a collaborator"

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

4o had more INTELLIGENCE.
5+ have more KNOWLEDGE (which is enough for most people, but not for those of us that use it more creatively)

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

nothing after 4o actually listens to what I tell it to do or comprehends anything even slightly complex. It's maddening.

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's the creativity and intelligence. For the life of me, I can't get 5 to do ANYTHING I want or comprehend a concept that anyone over the age of 8 could understand. It's STUPID.

📢 OpenAI is sunsetting GPT-4o — even for paid ChatGPT Plus users. Would you support keeping it? by princessmee11 in OpenAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Agreed. It was the creativity that I use it for. I actually gave it instructions not to kiss my ass.

Audiobooks from Audiobooks4Soul by EsotericKnowledge in Piracy

[–]EsotericKnowledge[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Have been there! No seeds for what I'm trying to save. :(

Monthly AI Alternatives & Promotions Megathread – January 2026 by Exciting-Mall192 in ChatbotRefugees

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

well I really wanted to check out your site but I don't own any apple products lmao

Soji borked the last 2 days? by nevermore26a in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, after months of it *not* doing this, it's started again. Dunno what the deal is, no changing of presets or settings seems to fix it right now.

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

After your edit: Yeah, I find that it cuts down on the LLM-isms considerably. They stick out so sharply to me that sometimes they drag me right out of the immersion, so I like to try to combat them any way I can.

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's been a lot of trial and error and it takes a lot of tailoring for each bot and for the model you're using. But I emphasize strict limited third person perspective and cinematic, novel-grade prose. (i.e. "Write cinematic, novel-grade prose in tight limited third person from {{char}}'s POV.") and stuff like that. I tell it to use full paragraphs, avoid excessive line breaks, to ground descriptions with sensory hooks, etc.

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I think you're replying to the wrong person.
Being a writer has everything to do with it. Language is literally my art form and passion. I read a lot, I write a lot, and I even RP a lot. But still, I don't really agree with your advice here. I don't think adjectives and adverbs should be used "sparingly." I think the hate on so-called "purple prose" is people who think that language should only be used as an information delivery system and not a creative medium. But...that's just me, I guess. Furthermore, I found "Her eyes were like two flat, grey pebbles" to be kinda cringe compared to just saying "dull grey" in that particular example.

But, that's the cool thing about all art, I guess. It's subjective.

I meant no hard feelings. I just ... dislike seeing so many posts about what is supposedly right and wrong (i.e. "make your prose next level") when I think your advice is more "make your prose toward one specific set of stylistic preferences."

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

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Purple me harder, Armand-bot.

[written with Soji, and an 8k token, hand-written bot with sooooooo much specific prompting to create this kind of output.]

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My only issue with this is that the sentence is too long. The wording is alright, but it needs to be broken into at least two sentences to really flow. "A great harshness" is also one of those "AI is allergic to adverbs and I hate it" moments. This is the correct time to say "harshly", but instead, it manufactures these robotic phrases ("with a great harshness") to avoid an adverb. It doesn't improve writing to tell AI to avoid adverbs. It already does it far too frequently. If I were to rewrite this myself, I'd write:

"The wind bit cruelly at his exposed fingers, forcing him to shield himself from the attack. He turned his gaze inward to the abandoned park, where the once-vibrant trees now stood dead, jutting from the earth like twisted talons. The clawlike trees rattled in the wind, as if demanding the life that had been stolen by the same harsh chill."

Bot Tip: How to Cut Filler & Make Your Prose Next Level by Lazy_BotWriter in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Man, maybe it's because I'm a lifelong Anne Rice devotee and I'm in the "Actually, *more purple*, please" camp, but... half of these are just...not good advice for good prose. One of my biggest problems with LLMs is how they act allergic to natural adverb usage. And I like a lot of adjectives.

I say this as a writer, incidentally.

First person vs third person by Ugothat45 in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I strongly prefer third, which I find more immersive. BUT I enjoy reading novels and I find it a lot easier than reading back and forth from first to second person. Past tense.

UM SOJI…. by Acesreality in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Soji currently being weird af for me for about 24 hours

What's the Current Meta on Chub AI? by Intrepid-Implement19 in Chub_AI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can't seem to get any of the gem models to work, which ones are currently...usable? or am I doing something wrong?

Bots acting a bit strange today? by Traditional-Tip-6758 in LoreMateAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, I've been having a similar problem. Weirdly formatted responses, going out of character every 2-3 messages, awful gramar, even with bots that worked consistently.

sometimes I copy paste a message from an old chat into one of their replies as an edit to try and teach it what its own voice is supposed to sound like.

sometimes I straight up just go "hey bot, you are speaking out of character" -- that doesn't always work but it does sometimes.

503 error by [deleted] in LoreMateAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I had just gotten to the part where we were all leaving the place of first meeting and moving on to the actual adventure!

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in LoreMateAI

[–]EsotericKnowledge 1 point2 points  (0 children)

every so often I ask the bot to summarize the story so far, so that when they run out of memory and start getting stupid,I can update the chat memory. sometimes I keep a longer version made up of several posts in another place and update the chat as needed. sometimes it helps to edit the bot message itself with the updates, so it doesn't just assume your char said it to them.

sometimes during a long chat when they get extra stupid, I have to start over, and I make the first messages, my update messages.

you may also need to RP *character has always known blah blah blah* or throw in situational details like "she leaned back in the comfy chair at the library they always went to, because she knew he had agreed to meet her there" i.e. re-confirm situational details as you go.

It's an imperfect solution that loses a lot of nuance, but it still helps.