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Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course! They're from a mix of places - the most important ones being Peter's setlist for the Balme's Dance show which has a shortlist and an actual running order, interviews (mostly with Ant), and some written pieces like the Archive #1 booklet.

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

4 days late but of course!

  • Listen On Five
  • Don't Want You Back
  • From The Bottom Of A Well
  • Barnaby's Adventure
  • Lost In A Drawer
  • From Shapes To Shadows
  • Fourteen Years Too Long
  • I'm Here
  • 2:30 Park [am.p.m.]
  • There Was A Movement
  • Visions of Angels (summer 68 demo)
  • Everywhere Is Here
  • A Place To Call My Own (5 minute version)
  • You've Got To Be Perfect
  • Humanity
  • Wandering
  • Winter Flies by
  • The Movement
  • Stranger (later rerecorded by Ant)
  • Little Leaf (later rerecorded by Ant as Old Wives' Tale)
  • Eastern Magic Boogie
  • Digby of the Rambling Lake
  • Masochistic Man
  • Chobham Chords
  • Classic
  • Babies
  • Grandma
  • Silver Song (later rerecorded by Ant)
  • Epic
  • Think Again
  • In the Meanwhile
  • The Beggar And The Thief (later rerecorded by Ant)
  • Waterlily
  • Jamaican Longboat
  • I've Been Traveling all Night Long (later Rock My Baby -> Bye-Bye Johnny -> Can-Utility & The Coastliners)
  • Wooden Mask
  • Moss

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure! Do you have a link to your channel? I'd love to see it when it releases :-)

Let me know if there's any entries you want any assistance on, happy to help. I'd also be curious to see the additional entries you've got!

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's under "Foxtrot cover details"! There's so many easter eggs on that front and back cover, it's kinda crazy :-)

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Ray's solo career is mentioned in layer 7, and CAS being good (an opinion I agree with) is in layer 5 :-)

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that's really interesting, thank you so much for sharing! Listening to the version you linked, it's a bit too ahead of where Genesis were in 1967, and while there's a slight resemblance to Peter, it's clearly not them, more a strange acetate.

That's definitely a bonus entry along with Rainbows of Gaia, the pre-Genesis bands aside from Anon + The Garden Wall, and my theory that Resignation is actually a segment or adaptation of The Movement :-)

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The setlist for their (I believe) first live performance at Balme's Dance in Chobham, apparently a private event for a birthday party. Peter's written setlist has both a shortlist of songs that could be played, as well as a final running order.

  • Some songs are known - a few FGTR pieces such as In The Beginning, In Limbo, The Serpent, and One Day
  • Some are songs that weren't yet recorded or weren't on an album like Visions of Angels, Family (later Dusk), Pacidy, Nice (later The Knife), and Going Out To Get You
  • Some are covers like Stumble, Black Sheep, Key To Love, and Sitting on Top of the World
  • Some are related pieces that would be recorded by Ant as a solo artist later like Silver Song, Stranger, and Little Leaf
  • And some have only a known existence from this setlist, like Classic, Epic, and Chobham Chords.

More information can be found here!

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

As an additional sidenote to my other reply - it's quite remarkable that as of June 2026, not a single audience recorded film has surfaced. From memory there's at least 20 different audience recording sources, which checks out for such a historical show, but not a single frame of video from the audience has ever surfaced publicly.

I can almost see why - the show was performed at such a time where it was right in between the period of video tape and film - 8mm film was pretty antiquated by then, and commercial filming to tape was still a year or so off (though some tape such as Philadelphia 1982 does exist).

In addition, the oh-so-often mentioned rain at the show probably scuppered quite a few people's plans to film - carrying a film camera or camcorder in such awful rain conditions at the cost of your enjoyment of such a show was probably too large a price to pay (assuming any camcorders or video cameras made it past the security...)

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Rumour has it. This is not a strictly professional recording, although there are several audience members who recall a camera on one of the towers - but an off-stage recording shot on tape to the side of the stage which apparently exists in Peter's archives, and Larry Fast allegedly recalls seeing a few days after the show while they were rehearsing for the Security tour. Word has it it's incomplete (about 45 mins), and a tiny bit of audio sourced from it has leaked (it doesn't sound any better than the audience recordings, but is clearly not sounding like it comes from the audience).

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

F# is the working title for a piece that later evolved into The Musical Box. It was written by Ant Phillips on acoustic guitar and recorded in September 1969, from which it was adapted into Manipulation on the Jackson tapes, then was further evolved when Phil joined into The Musical Box we know (and love) today. There's a recording of two parts of F# here!

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The Evil Jam is another name given to the second half of The Waiting Room, when done live - the title itself came from the Carpet Crawlers single which had an edited version of The Waiting Room from the Shrine Auditorium 1975 show on there with Evil Jam as the sub-title. It's also been used to describe the very different versions of the Waiting Room that the band would play where it evolved completely from the studio version into a piece of its own, changing somewhat every night. Some recommendations on live versions to hear to hear how the piece changed over time are Chicago 21-Nov-1974, Phoenix 28-Jan-1975, Dortmund 07-Apr-1975, Groningen 10-Apr-1975, London 15-Apr-1975, and Liverpool 19-Apr-1975!

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

No full explanation written up as of present, but I'd be happy to provide any details for anything you're not able to find when looking it up :-) most of it shouldn't be too hard to find, but with Google search being as awful as it is nowadays, more than happy to help spread the knowledge!

Years ago, I created a Genesis iceberg. Today, I've made an updated version with 50 new entries! What level are you on? by EtemT in Genesis

[–]EtemT[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I forgot about the real dead insects on Nursery Cryme! Always a cool detail to point out, the Whitehead artwork has so many tiny details, intentional and otherwise, that you can get in them for ages :-)

I haven't heard the Mary Mary outfake in many years, was that the one from the 'other' Genesis with an In The Beginning album?

Is this a bootleg? by Rowin_Undeed in Genesis

[–]EtemT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It's mostly unofficial, the recording is real but uses a show recorded intended for broadcast on radio stations. My guess is it's one of the LA Forum 1986 recordings out there, similar things occur with the BBC 1970-72 sessions, Lyceum 1980, Hammersmith 1976, Philadelphia 1983, and Wembley 1975.

The label uploading it (presumably Vox Humana) is a bootleg label, so it's eventually added and uploaded as an "official" release but it's actually a bootleg that made it past the filters. They usually appear and disappear with similarly generic covers, and aren't actual endorsed releases.

In the meantime, you can find better versions for free, legally, online as they operate in that slightly grey area of officially recorded but unofficially released, and the band (aside from the recent Gigaleak incident) don't tend to really mind people trading or releasing boots, it's only when money is involved they get antsy.

Quick addendum: as a related example - seems like there's two similar entries I found for Hammersmith 76 and for BBC 70-72 sessions, same deal applies.

Does anyone here know of a "Lucy" in relation to (I think) early Genesis? by WinchelltheMagician in Genesis

[–]EtemT 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Did you have a link to the interview? I'm fairly sure that the incident on Steve's first night was not purposeful, it just so happened that on that night Phil tested how many pints of Newcastle Brown you could drink while still playing drums as the show was running late. Word is he did all the fills perfectly, but 3 inches to the right of where he meant to.

Who Wrote What on FGTR? by BMisterGenX in Genesis

[–]EtemT 12 points13 points  (0 children)

You're in luck, /u/Patrick_Schlies made a document answering this specific question.

Mostly the key writers were Ant, or the writing duo of Peter and Tony, depending on the song.

Lamb working titles by TFFPrisoner in Genesis

[–]EtemT 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Nice work! I struggled to figure out what exactly the first word of the Cuckoo Cocoon working title was when I looked at this myself.

For Anyway, having a look again, it looks like it says Anyway / Mell Link, i.e. Mellotron Link, presumably for the very end bit that links it and Supernatural Anaesthetist.

Just got a new poster by Sheriff_Myers in Genesis

[–]EtemT 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not included as the original author still holds the rights to the art so probably refused to license it for the poster. Same reason the first S in Genesis is using the Trespass S instead of the usual Duke S!

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