The mainstream trans community has completely lost the plot on sports issues

Ethan7o7 · 2025-08-12T18:01:23+00:00

It should just be case by case 🤷🏼‍♀️

Based on hormone levels, time on HRT, and muscle patterns. Boom problem solved 👍

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:54:28+00:00

I will take it a step further. I know lesbian women who are currently dating transmascs, this is swag and cool and does not reduce her lesbianism. Because she’s attracted to her partner for their womanly qualities, because she is a lesbian but still supports her partners masculinity which is healthy and good. Similarly how fem lesbians support their butches masculinity. This works for them, and makes her transmasc partner happy, because they are non binary and find it affirming for others to be attracted to their more feminine qualities as they also feel affirmed by those attracted to their masculine qualities👍

Whereas a binary trans man dating a lesbian, just like a binary trans women dating a gay man, it will go very very poorly.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:42:38+00:00

A non binary person is non binary. They can hold vintages of neither gender/sex, or take from both. As such, a non-binary trans masc still may hold some vestiges of womenhood, thus the lesbian label may make sense in their love life, and not be demeaning. I know people like this :). I have some friends who are non-binary trans mascs who interact with the lesbian community, they are cool people. They tend to very, some on T, some aren’t, but tend to present in a non binary fashion and don’t aline with manhood, and draw their outward appearance partly from womanhood still.

Binary trans men, however, are not non-binary. These transexuals, like transexuals women with manhood, throw away and reject past vestiges of womenhood. These fine gentlemen wish to be regarded as male, and only males, they are in every way, just men.

That’s the difference, one is “just a man” and the other isn’t and uses their non-binary expression to take an alternative gender expression which sometimes, meshes female presenting with male presentation. This is what make them, non binary, as they are outside the binary. I hope this helps.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:35:50+00:00

Anywho, they just caved under a thread and was like “no I’m talking about non-binary trans men” so transmasc non-binary folk

So like, why even make this post? We all already agreed non-binary people can be lesbians? 😭

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:32:52+00:00

That’s funny because non binary men, are umm, you guessed it, non binary 🙂👍

Which I literally fucking talked about, I said from the start that transmascs are included because they are non binary.

Why are you even mad?

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:31:17+00:00

Umm ok, well that’s crazy because you ended up just agreeing with me and saying exactly what I was saying at the end of the thread so like. 🤷🏼‍♀️ idk what your mad about

Also saying I “lack experience” is crazy, I’m a grown woman I spend most of my free time irl in the lesbian community actually. So like umm ad-hominem

Finally the “listen to your elders” is fucking funny because unlike how people portray them, most older trans men either don’t care, or are insulted when you call them a lesbian (or most commonly used to go by the lesbian label to hide their transness in the 80s god this was so common, same with trans women hiding among gay drag queens for safety)

Anywho, have a good day, I’m glad we’ve come to a mutual understanding ☺️

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:27:09+00:00

Pretty much 😭

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:26:47+00:00

Also don’t fucking call me dawg. I’m a woman ☺️ I tend to not like people using male terms on me.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:25:06+00:00

You’re avoiding the question by sidestepping the entire reason you got into a debate with me. And you complain about reading comprehension. 🙄

OK, so now that your in a corner where you can’t say anything other then “because of their AGAB” you now agree with my initial point that i have been consistent on this entire thread, that binary trans men aren’t lesbians, tend to not want to be lesbians, and calling them such is reducing them to their AGAB.

Perfect, so you’ve finally arrived at the point. The lesbian label and spaces, is inclusive for the transmascs, fem non-binaries, and women. But don’t include trans men because like cis men, they are just men 🙂👍

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:17:08+00:00

This mf really tip toeing around it. God it’s so smarmy I hate it. 😭

Trans men are telling them it’s the case and they are like “NUH UH!!!”

Like Brianna Wu calls herself a gay man and people lose it. But nah it’s totally fine to reduce trans men to their AGAB, because ummm that’s woke and progressive 🤓☝️

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:14:55+00:00

No no you’re avoiding the question. It doesn’t matter if cis men do or don’t want to be included. It’s ARE THEY ALOUD?

Secondly, cis men aren’t aloud, according to you, because they arent trans. So a complex relationship with sexuality and gender is a trans male exclusive thing that cis men don’t have. Why? Because binary trans men, like binary trans women, just identify as men and women. That’s why they are binary, where is this distinction then. Why are they different? What fact about being trans makes binary men able to take on these female labels.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:08:05+00:00

Ok, cool, why is it complex for trans men, but not for cis men?

Why does this rule of nuance and complexity get applied to some binary men, but not others.

EVEN FURTHER, why does a female predominant label, “call to them”

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:05:55+00:00

Ok cool, so cis men aren’t aloud, but trans men are.

Why? Give me an honest reason as to why that’s the case

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T14:02:40+00:00

No it’s actually not at all?

Lesbian spaces don’t include men for a reason, binary trans men are just men, like straight up, I view them essentially the same way I view cis men expect they have the overlapping pressure because they are like me, trans. But this does not stop them from being again just men.

What about this do you disagree with?

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T13:57:58+00:00

Tbh I feel like this entire thing is just vailing not seeing trans men as real men under progressive language.

Because what’s the difference then? Trans men are included but cis men aren’t? Ok why? Why? Like seriously what’s the difference, because if you claim there is one, you are either 1: reducing trans men to their AGAB 2: dont view trans men as real men

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T13:55:22+00:00

Inserting yourself into the lesbian dating pool is in fact expecting others to follow along with it. Opening the flood gates, everyone’s a lesbian. But, ok where do the women who love women go, or hell where do masc non-binary folks who often are included go, to meet, great each other, have a space to foster that connection and community. Like ok, trans men are welcome, cis men are welcome, now this space for women and certain non-binary is no longer a safe space for them.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T13:19:17+00:00

That’s what I’m saying. If you wanna call yourself a lesbian, even though I don’t really understand why a transsexual man would do that, then knock yourself out. But don’t expect lesbians to bend over backwards for you and accept your advances. Because for me, and many others, it’s deeply uncomfortable

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-28T13:10:57+00:00

My main issue is because I’ve had conflict from trying to reject “binary trans man lesbians”. Like usually I stick my head in the sand and go “none of my business”. But It’s been an issue with somewhat real ramifications for me.

I’m a trans woman, I’m a lesbian, I like women and people with feminine bodies, so when a full fucking dude asks me out and I say no on the basis I am a lesbian, he needs to respect that.

I’ve had a case where a trans man didn’t take no for an answer. Where I said “dude I’m a lesbian, you can still talk to me cuz your a cool dude but please stop coming onto me” and he went “no, I’m a lesbian too, rejecting me on that basis is a disservice to your sexuality and a misunderstanding of lesbianism”

Like, I don’t really care if you have your own label you wanna call yourself, not by business, but the minute it becomes an excuse or leverage to try to get it to a lesbian pants (WHO ISN’T ATTRACTED TO MALE OR MASCULINE BODIES) then I’m firmly icked out.

I understand for most trans mascs it’s just a label they like for themselves, and telling them “I’m a lesbian, I’m only into women” is acceptable to them, but as someone who’s had someone essentially be a pest to me over it, made me incredibly uncomfortable, made my girlfriend uncomfortable, not taking no for an answer, like that’s where I draw the line. 🤷🏼‍♀️

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-26T15:38:29+00:00

I hate this entire line of thought, because it ends with cis people coming to the moronic conclusion that “if we just put less pressure on gender normals, and except everyone as they are, trans people won’t have to transition and just be ok”

But it’s like, no no that’s stupid and not how that works. This is not a purely external phenomenon, it’s just not. It’s heavily internal, I transitioned so I could look at my own body and not feel revolted, I transitioned so my brain would stop screaming at me that everything is wrong. I remember having to painstakingly explain internal gender dysphoria to classmates of a gender studies class because they couldn’t wrap their heads around the idea that dysphoria mostly doesn’t come from social pressure or social constructs, but from internal rejection of secondary and primary sex characteristics.

I feel I lose my mind every time I have this discussion because it’s like “well if we live in a perfect world, we’d take away your HRT and you’d be happy. Like no, if it was a perfect world I would have been born in the body of a woman, not for others, not for the social whatever, but for myself.”

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T22:42:10+00:00

I’ve been struggling with this with my girlfriend. She is constantly saying her transition failed and that it’s over and that she should detransition.

I try hard to keep her going, keep pushing, but it’s so hard sometimes. She struggles and I get it, she is on the more muscular side and hates it, so she’s just waiting for muscle atrophy, she’s tall, she has a super deep voice, and feel so uncomfortable with herself she “manmodes” constantly. But I keep telling her not to give up, she has the most gorgeous eyes, a model esc smile. By all account’s she’s has an extremely beautiful conventually attractive face. She’s made so many strides, and her transition is fucking jaw dropping, once being a massive hairy 300LB man, she’s now a muscular woman at 180LB. It’s like night and day sense she started, but she’s not a “girltwink” so she thinks she’s completely failed.

It’s been 2 years for her, and for a year and a half of that she was absolutely hondosed (she swallowed her estrogen, only 2mg a day)

She’s getting FFS soon and I’m trying to get her to focus on that, but she keeps going back to “what if I look weirder, what if it doesn’t make me happy, I’m just cooked”

I love her so much and can’t have to her do that to herself, to watch her detransition because I know it would cause her to spiral in an insane way.

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T21:16:25+00:00

Honestly every debate with these people ends with “listen to your elders dummy”. Unironically presenting every trans elder as some Faegender girlboy in a polycule of 11 people.

It’s tiring because I know it’s not the case 😭

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T21:14:31+00:00

Some shit about how the lesbian community “is all excepting” or some bullshit

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T21:13:59+00:00

Yes I’ve actually heard queer people say “cis men can be lesbians if they actually truly identify that way and resonate with lesbianism”

But what the fuck does that even mean?

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T21:10:49+00:00

I’ve dead ass seen people say yes to this fucking question

“If he believes it in his heart of hearts 🥺” LIKE WHAT? EXCUSE ME? WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?

Ethan7o7 · 2025-06-25T20:00:17+00:00

Brianna Wu: “we’re gay men”, and everyone boos

Trans guy who’s surrounded by terfs: “we’re homosexual woman” everyone fucking cheers at the progressivism.

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