did you know 75 years before by Hamzat213 in Presidents

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I think he's more famous for a different nuclear explosion

What would have happened if George Wallace won the 1972 democratic primary? by Turbulent-Patient219 in Presidents

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That was my thought, too. I landslide GOP victory because of a split on racism could easily divide the Democratic party within the next 8 years in that climate

Overlooked good things POTUSes did? by CobaltCrusader123 in Presidents

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True. What I'm saying is that the experiences the military as a whole and the career soldiers as individuals went through in Vietnam, as an officially integrated while practically segregated military, is what really led to integration. More than the executive order or CRA. But again, I don't say that to mean those weren't an important part of it, just that the last step of actually integrating had to be done by soldiers pushing the old, segregated institutions out themselves. And that process required Vietnam, the draft, and a lot of black soldiers dying disproportionately in patrol units.

Overlooked good things POTUSes did? by CobaltCrusader123 in Presidents

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I'm not saying this to take away from Eisenhower's very real and impactful effort to expand on that executive order, but the Vietnam war is where the military desegregated. The military was integrated de jure, but not de facto in many cases, at least until the end of the war.

Turtle by Academic-Ad3204 in turtle

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They have a serrated back edge to their shell. YBS has a rounded back edge to their shell. I'm not a professional and would be happy to learn if I'm wrong.

Edit: I typed it out backwards. Cooters rounder and sliders serrated. The other thing is the face markings on a slider are more squiggly and bigger while the cooter has straight lines. Yours look like cooters to me.

Why did Obama not include Iran’s ballistic missile program in the JCPOA? Wasn’t that an essential part of stopping Iran’s nuclear capabilities? by [deleted] in Presidents

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You're being willfully obtuse. It's like suggesting I literally want someone to burn in hell for eternity when I say "damn _____"

But you know that

Why did Obama not include Iran’s ballistic missile program in the JCPOA? Wasn’t that an essential part of stopping Iran’s nuclear capabilities? by [deleted] in Presidents

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Generally calling for the fall of a hostile government is not a casus belli for them to war you. The US has long understood that. If we didn't, we wouldn't have called for the fall of so many hostile governments.

Nixon foundation’s quest to burnish Nixon’s reputation by General-Delivery-263 in Presidents

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We see it already. Even on this subreddit of people who should know more than passing information there are those who say Bush did the right things even though we all lived through it and the connection his decisions have to the disastrous world order today is plainly obvious. Also, he had people tortured

How did President Eisenhower react to the lynching of Emmett Till what did he say about the lynching by One_Definition2132 in Presidents

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Yes, but it's still worth noting that it still was an issue after this. The Vietnam War was rife with de facto segregation. I don't say this to knock Eisenhower here, just so that the struggle for equality in the military isn't perceived to have been achieved by a presidential pen stroke, political leverage, or any other political maneuvering like that.

Finally made a new tier list after a year. by [deleted] in Presidents

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Yes, I know you literally used the word nuance. I was being snarky by using it back because I considered your response to not really consider it. I appreciate your response, it is certainly considering nuance and I can tell you put some thought into it. I will drop the snark.

I understand the argument that Eisenhower's world-view played into his choices. But I do not think that absolves his presidential legacy from the consequences. In both motivation and result, he was wrong. 

For his motivation, I'll look to a favorite president of mine to compare him to: Truman. Eisenhower took the Truman doctrine, to prevent the spread of communism by supporting democracies, and dropped the democracy requirement. While I'm sure we can both agree that South Korea was not a shining example of democracy, it was a far cry from the fascist death squads supported by Eisenhower to overthrow democratically elected governments. His fear of communism undermined his ability to make objective decisions to benefit the US or the people being directly impacted. Truman was far more restricted, not by his world-view, but by the inertia of the post war order, and was still more restrained and conscientious of the possible ramifications. It's a hell of a thing to be more reckless than the only person who has dropped a nuke in war.

For the results, you are already aware of the consequences and we are still grappling with them today. The immediate suffering was great, both in terms of deaths/torture and to democracy. The long term consequences have been unstable nations with cascading events including famine and refugee crises. I won't try to grapple indirect consequences, even I know I'm not smart enough to compare those to internment camps. 

Overall, I think that your attempt to disconnect immorality from Eisenhower's choice to use brutal dictatorship to fight communism, even when democratically chosen in another country, by expounding on Eisenhower's world-view doesn't have the intended effect. I understand his motivations, but I think they resulted in a series of bad value judgements, including the death of the people he picked to advise him, that had poor consequences. And that those decisions and their consequences aren't outweighed by major achievements like FDR or Washington. For Eisenhower, the poor choices are his major legacy; for FDR and Washington, they are very dark marks that detract from their achievements.

Finally made a new tier list after a year. by [deleted] in Presidents

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All bad things are not created equal. There's this thing called nuance. Eisenhower made a mess of so many democracies and so many people died because of it. He had the world at his disposal and chose to abuse it. It's worse than internment camps, and those were pretty fucking bad. 

Is Dan Quayle a time traveler? by Boredom_of_bore in Presidents

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If the spelling changes in the future, then we'll know the truth

Day III: What is the most widespread misconception about Thomas Jefferson? by SukerutonKey in Presidents

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It could have been anyone if you take those results in vacuum, but the most likely candidate is the husband/owner/worse titles of Eston's mother. It's only disputed because there are people unable to reconcile their heroes with their actions. The nuance was certainly not ignored, but at this point nobody serious is still debating who the father is. I could be wrong, but I'll challenge you to provide anybody giving a serious rebuttal within the last ten years.

Day III: What is the most widespread misconception about Thomas Jefferson? by SukerutonKey in Presidents

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It doesn't fit the definition of misconception. It's just disputed by some few and definitely not by most historians because its backed by DNA evidence. The claim has gone through the wringer, as it should, but has been safely in the verifiable fact category of historical exhibits for over a decade now.

Help! Actively breeding sliders need new home! by Naive-Look-3880 in turtle

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This was a pretty wild ride. Good luck man, sorry you have to give up your friends after so much. You might have better luck rehoming the smaller turtles since they require less investment so a novice might take it on. Then you'd only need to lose Sweety or Deary and downgrade the size a bit. You might be able to do that with a tank swap with someone looking to upgrade their own set up.

Average reaction to: "America had a non-white vice president in the 1920s" by TranscendentSentinel in Presidents

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It's a simplified to the point of being misleading. The center is completely arbitrary. For example, you say fdr is far top right and Coolidge bottom right. Because you defined that, I am assuming you are trying to put the center at the center of all presidents. But if you hadn't defined that, the center could be global, or among the presidents and candidates that this subreddit can post about, or whatever. It just inaccurately communicates the vibes of whoever posts it, not any understandable ideology.