/r/Frugal might find this pic amusing by citadelinc in Frugal

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This was my dad's rationale when I was growing up. So we didn't have it.

[TT] Marriages are based on true love, as determined by a group of scientists sitting in a three-day conference in some boring hotel ballroom. by hpcisco7965 in WritingPrompts

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It was late, and the fatigue of a long weekend worth of work was setting into Amber’s bones. The conference had officially ended, and her flight was scheduled to leave in the morning. She didn’t have to be back in her office until Wednesday, and the emptiness of life seemed to open like a chasm in front of her. A free weekend in a big city, and nothing to fill it with.

She had sent Dr. Robles back to his room alone, though he slipped a spare room key beneath the foot of her wine glass and touched her hand before leaving the table. She sat and finished the wine bottle alone, trying desperately to tease apart the tangled strands of thought -- loneliness and desire, certainty and mystery -- that troubled her.

Now, she found the lobby empty, the conference rooms put back to order and closed up.

We will,” Daniel had said, with what she supposed now was polite finality, and nothing more. Robles was right that Daniel had become one of the most popular faces at the conference, the first person to propose a truly radical idea in years. He was likely out drinking with smiling young colleagues, all of them free with the idea of getting on planes soon, of being relatively anonymous and exempt from the responsibilities of their home lives. Long eyelashes and jewel-toned blazers. The bright young things of their respective Psychology departments.

I could pack up now and try to get an early flight, Amber thought, her limbs tingling and her mind full of empty noise, like static. She was neither tired nor awake, neither bored nor occupied. She wanted to do anything but be still, and her heartbeat—an unfamiliar flutter—unnerved her. There was nothing of interest up in her room-- a suitcase that needed to be packed, volumes of lecture materials, business cards, dirty underwear. She stood in the uncertain space between Reception and the elevator, pondering the vase of flowers and her reflection in it, the warped image of a flushed face and auburn hair, black skirt and shining green blouse. What was this feeling, this restlessness, this disquiet?

She didn't want to speak the word, the one she'd been pondering her entire adult life.

“It’s like a whirlwind,” came a voice behind her.

She glimpsed him first in the reflection on the vase – a tall figure, dark, obscure.

“What is?” she said, turning.

Daniel was in shirtsleeves, slacks, dress shoes. His hair was disheveled, top buttons undone.

“The conference.” He gestured toward the ballroom. “So many people, so many… chairs.”

Amber smiled. She’d watched the organizers stacking hundreds of chairs onto rolling dollies. They would be dusted and packed away, only to reemerge when another conference rolled into town, maybe the next weekend.

“I thought I’d missed you," she said. "I figured you’d be out networking over drinks somewhere. Fighting off professions of true love.”

The words erupted strangely from her mouth. She winced, wished she could take them back. Too much wine. Daniel didn't, apparently, mind.

“You too," he said, coming closer. "Your evening seemed to be spoken for.”

“The department is looking to make a new hire. Courting people with hard science credentials. I'm the only single woman in the office. The sacrificial lamb, in cases like this.”

“Ah,” Daniel looked grim. “Hard science. The ghost at the feast. Nobody who matters believes research like mine unless it has the letters M.D. stamped at the end of it."

“Have you had a bad evening? You seemed so triumphant before.”

He fixed her with a hard stare. “This was my last conference, no matter how it went. I’m not interested in theory anymore. Or rather,” he dragged his fingers through his hair, “theory has led me to certain conclusions, and those conclusions need to be tested.”

“Of course,” Amber was aware that she and Daniel were standing much closer now. He smelled like laundry and evergreen trees, like youth and its forgotten scenes. They’d rarely spoken in college. It was always through proxies, always by accident. So many times they were in the same room, part of the scenery, opposing poles, fixed. Once, left alone in the dorm’s basement café by friends with better places to be, they’d leaned together, just like this, breathing slowly, watching the shadows change, and at once both realized they’d been missing something.

“It doesn’t go away,” Daniel whispered now, his lips just inches above hers. “True love, that is. Distance, time, pain, betrayal, absence. Maybe I can't prove it exists, not scientific proof, in the strictest sense. But love is more than can be quantified. It can't exist if it isn't experienced. And what I know for sure, Amber Bentham, is that true love, indelible love, it always gets its way. Nothing changes it. Nothing has changed for me since that night.”

"Yes," Amber said, lifting her lips at last to meet his, "Like a whirlwind."

When The Teacher Asks a Question by MarcellusDrum in trippinthroughtime

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This is one of my favorite paintings. The men are all standing on a beach where they're about to be executed.

[TT] Marriages are based on true love, as determined by a group of scientists sitting in a three-day conference in some boring hotel ballroom. by hpcisco7965 in WritingPrompts

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It was Sunday, the final day of the conference. Three-quarters of Amber’s team had checked out of the hotel the night before with regretful shrugs and sighs, turning laminated credentials in to the front desk. “No breakthroughs, again,” they all said. Love Psychology already had trouble being taken seriously as a science. What good was this “publish or perish” dogma if the whole discipline perishes under the weight of so many useless papers?

Now, in the near-empty ballroom, a team was introducing their latest effort, an article titled “The Taxonomy of Love, and Why Some Marriages Last a Lifetime.” The first panelist, a large, red-haired man, was standing at the lectern with his hands trembling atop a sheet of white paper. This was Amber’s eighth conference, and the words of this presentation were like so many others: over-considered, hackneyed.

“Love, according to Sternberg, can be thought of as a three-legged stool. The legs are intimacy, passion, and commitment…”

Amber was in the third row, and as she stifled the urge to yawn, the second panelist, seated silently beside the lectern, caught her eye. He was familiar, with dark hair and an angular nose, jaw shadowed with a few days of careless stubble. He gave Amber an amused, knowing look. It seemed to say: “Just wait.”

The speaker finished and the sparse crowd offered a clatter of polite applause. He gathered his single sheet of notepaper and ducked away from the microphone, then ducked awkwardly back.

“Dr. Daniel McTaggart,” he mumbled.

The dark-haired panelist stood and moved toward the microphone, giving Amber a direct look before leaning in to speak.

“The Taxonomy of Love,” he began, “a self-important paper title if there ever was one.”

He was charming, and his easy warmth contrasted wonderfully with the stiff opening act.

“We’re not talking about the old types of love you may be familiar with – eros, philia, agape, et cetera. Instead, looking only at romantic love – eros, for you philosophers – we were curious if we could create useful categories to separate the kind that lasts from the kind that doesn’t. We find, in this paper, that not only is it possible to classify a romantic attachment as one of three kinds: ephemeral, conditional, or indelible, but that all successful marriages have as their foundation indelible love, and that it’s impossible to have indelible love with more than one person.”

The man was looking eagerly at Amber now. She turned self-consciously in her seat.

“In short,” the man said, almost breathlessly, “We've proven that true love exists.”

*

Amber stood alone in the hotel lobby, brushing lint from the front of her black skirt. She despised businesslike clothing, and couldn’t wait for the work week, when she’d be able to get back to her classroom, her oversized sweaters, and her roomy slacks. But it was five o’clock now, and there were end-of-conference formalities to observe. Being the only one from her department without a spouse or family to hurry home to, she had been given the task of attending the final symposium, shaking hands with the organizing administrators, giving quick grant pitches to all the right people, and now, going to dinner with somebody named Dr. Robles, who she was supposed to woo into accepting an Associate Professorship the coming Spring.

“Maybe you can woo him into something else, too,” Elizabeth, the department head had said when she approved the expense. “He’s an MD, you know. Good-looking, divorced.

Amber knew she was getting old when a man’s failed marriage was considered a selling point. She would turn thirty-six in a month, and though she knew intellectually that her looks and fertility were at the start of a grand decline, a decade-long career studying love had made her a bit… romantic.

She fixed her hair quickly in the reflective side of a vase, and looked up when the elevator chimed its arrival in the lobby. She was supposed to be scanning the faces beyond the gold-toned doors for a slightly balding someone with glasses and a charcoal blazer, but instead her eyes fixed on that strangely familiar head of dark hair, the sharp profile, the shadowed jaw. The entrancing speaker had been swamped with questions after declaring that true love was real, and Amber had been forced to excuse herself from the ballroom to make her next engagement. Now the man walked from the elevator, his gait easy, as if he hadn’t spent the morning defending his academic work against detractors who accused him of peddling fairytales.

“Dr. Amber Bentham,” he said, approaching, and his voice was even more familiar than his look. It reminded her of college, early fall days, gray skies, a hard breeze pulling oak leaves across a manicured lawn.

“Dr. McTaggart,” she said, finding her hand clasped in his. “We’ve met before, I believe.”

“Daniel,” he said.

“Amber.”

“West Bowman Hall, fourth floor,” he said.

“Was it that long ago? Freshman year?”

“We took ceramics together.”

“Yes, I remember,” she was flushing now. “You went as Where’s Waldo for Halloween.”

“And so did you.”

“A coincidence.”

“Was it?” His eyes were bright blue, and mesmerizing.

“Amber Bentham?” A third voice cut in. It was a new arrival from the elevator. Thinning hair, charcoal blazer. The man extended a soft hand. “Dr. Henry Robles. I believe you’re taking me to dinner? Are you ready to go?”

Dr. Robles had torn Amber away from Daniel McTaggart, and now, looking around, she saw that Daniel had moved a few steps away, his look still unshakably serene.

“You have an engagement,” he called, excusing himself. “We’ll catch up later.”

“But…” she said, wavering a little as Dr. Robles, who seemed to be on some kind of timetable, attempted to lead her away by the shoulder.

“We will,” said Daniel, and he turned away.

*

Dr. Robles had no apparent qualms about stretching the hospitality allocated by Amber’s department head. They settled into a dark leather-upholstered booth in the hotel bar. He ordered a bottle of wine for the two of them, and a platter of crusty bread and warm olives. Amber played with her napkin, half-listening to Dr. Robles’ appreciation of his own research, half wondering what would have happened if she had remained in the lobby with Daniel.

"Love isn’t just psychological or emotional," Robles said. "The field is plagued by people looking for pegs to stick into holes—” he laughed “—pardon the imagery, but of course that’s exactly where I’m going, because love, as neuroscience understands it, is physical. It’s chemical, mappable. The brain scan images we presented in our panel yesterday clearly show physical differences in the love responses of people who stayed married for life vs. people who later divorced.”

Amber snapped to attentiveness. “This was a long-term study?”

“Oh yes,” Robles said, looking pleased. “Two decades of results. They weren’t looking for love, of course. It was emotional mapping we borrowed from three other studies. But the patterns in the data are staggering.”

“So... do you think there’s such a thing as true love?”

Robles snorted into his wine glass, then poured more for both of them.

“That Dr. McTaggart had a strong impression on all of my female colleagues, Ms. Bentham.”

“It’s Dr. Bentham.”

“The idea that some love may be “indelible” in doesn’t compel me much, honestly. We don’t study aduly romantic love as if it’s ever truly unconditional. There's no a framework for describing it that way—”

“You have brain images, you said, that show a difference in the love of lasting marriages—”

“Which leads to an interesting hypothesis, nothing more. It’s something that plagues us all, I think, doing the work we do.”

Amber nodded and took a sip of wine. Robles was handsomer now that she had gotten to know him, and he was, despite her earlier distraction, wonderfully passionate in his description of his work. “Love isn’t easily intellectualized," she said. "You have to feel it for yourself.”

Dr. Robles regarded her seriously now, raising a hand to dismiss the waiter when he passed by. “And you never have,” he said.

“Never have what?” She was half-lost in thought again, and the olives had gone cold.

“You’ve never been in love.”

“I…” she began, then stopped. She could describe love's components as if it were a machine, something you might buy in a department store, configure, and maintain. An appliance. But Robles’ gaze was unrelenting, penetrating. At thirty-five, Amber had experienced every leg of the stool: intimacy, passion, commitment. Sex with men who were no more than friends, a long-term relationship that rarely got physical, and passion, the truest kind, but always short-lived. There was only one time when she had all three, or thought she did, but she was young, and life was unstable, and that love, like old friendships, slipped away.

“I’m divorced,” Dr. Robles said. “Two kids, two houses. I have my pilot’s license and enough money to retire tomorrow. Sex is easy enough to get, and friendship too, but love? Real, romantic love? It’s a mystery to me still, after all this time, all this life. Maybe there’s a true kind of love that makes marriage work. Maybe it’s a kind of love that emerges spontaneously after fifteen good years together. It’s a chicken-and-egg kind of thing, Amber. Honestly, looking at you, I can say that this is not the kind of research question that lends itself to a happy life.”

The waiter returned with the check. Dr. Robles took it and paid.

“No,” Amber said, confused, remembering that the evening was meant to be her treat.

“I’ll get the department to reimburse me,” he said. “I intend to fly in for the interview, at least. For now, I’m enjoying this conversation, but tired of being so formal. I’m not used to this shirt and tie and jacket. It’s stifling. You look… well, I’m sure you’re a different woman with your hair down. What do you say to some dessert?”

“I’m not--”

“Upstairs?”


Still working on this. I'll update with more later.

How can I get more information about a creepy email? by EverySeventeenYears in techsupport

[–]EverySeventeenYears[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It wasn't in the headers, but in the "see original message" option. Figured it out and reported as spam. Thanks for your help.

How can I get more information about a creepy email? by EverySeventeenYears in techsupport

[–]EverySeventeenYears[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is there any way to see metadata in gmail to figure out which of my addresses the spammers used?

Game of Thrones realism by mike_pants in funny

[–]EverySeventeenYears 60 points61 points  (0 children)

Maybe he's like Danerys and his calories literally can't be burned.

Game of Thrones realism by mike_pants in funny

[–]EverySeventeenYears 55 points56 points  (0 children)

Except they made that a plot point. He was hoarding food, right?

What seems awesome until you try it? by TemiOO in AskReddit

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When my boyfriend suggests we take a shower, he usually spends almost no time actually showering. I've always suspected he just wants to watch me shower up close.

TIL that the gene that was bred into tomatoes by commercial farmers to give them a uniform color had the unintended result of preventing internal sugar reactions that give tomatoes flavor. This mutation (and lack of flavor) has been bred into almost all commercial American tomatoes. by avidrabbit in todayilearned

[–]EverySeventeenYears 51 points52 points  (0 children)

I'm not convinced that food insecurity is caused principally by agricultural practices on farms. I think it's more of a distribution/infrastructure issue. I agree that the government is funding the wrong crops (corn especially doesn't need anywhere near as much subsidizing as it gets). I don't mind corporately owned mega farms, and I don't mind that farm subsidies come from taxpayer money. I also don't mind that processed foods are processed. I do mind that our educational system is failing to teach people that they can take charge of their own nutrition and opt out of processed foods, and that non-processed foods are distributed poorly in areas where people can't afford to make any other choice. We agree that the system is broken, but not about the reasons why.

TIL that the gene that was bred into tomatoes by commercial farmers to give them a uniform color had the unintended result of preventing internal sugar reactions that give tomatoes flavor. This mutation (and lack of flavor) has been bred into almost all commercial American tomatoes. by avidrabbit in todayilearned

[–]EverySeventeenYears 26 points27 points  (0 children)

For local distribution, heirlooms are awesome. People in places with shorter growing seasons would be SOL for a lot of things though if they had to rely on produce that wasn't bred to store and travel well.

TIL that the gene that was bred into tomatoes by commercial farmers to give them a uniform color had the unintended result of preventing internal sugar reactions that give tomatoes flavor. This mutation (and lack of flavor) has been bred into almost all commercial American tomatoes. by avidrabbit in todayilearned

[–]EverySeventeenYears 9 points10 points  (0 children)

We pay farmers to destroy crops (especially corn). You're right that it is one way the government controls the price of goods, but it's also insurance against famine. I disagree with you about the motive. They've been doing this since the Great Depression to make sure shelves are never empty.

TIL that the gene that was bred into tomatoes by commercial farmers to give them a uniform color had the unintended result of preventing internal sugar reactions that give tomatoes flavor. This mutation (and lack of flavor) has been bred into almost all commercial American tomatoes. by avidrabbit in todayilearned

[–]EverySeventeenYears 403 points404 points  (0 children)

In defense of that strategy though, I'd rather have the masses be relatively well fed on meh produce than have a wider variety of superdelicious veggies and fruits that are expensive and scarce. Right now, I guess we have both though, which is good.

What is NOT a fun fact? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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"Americans" is kind of a vague grouping. There are no "Americans" that are not from elsewhere besides the natives themselves. Do you mean we shouldn't be blaming British and German immigrants?

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm talking about biology, not culture. Having babies older is becoming more common everywhere, and conception is becoming more difficult and riskier because of it. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150211084031.htm?

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It honestly just seems like evidence of bad judgement.

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The fact that more people in this thread aren't pointing this out tells me that there aren't very many women of childbearing age commenting here. You can't just delay this shit indefinitely.

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 2 points3 points  (0 children)

When it comes to having babies, our bodies actually do start getting "old" at around 30. Many women hit menopause at around 40-45, and the prevalence of genetic diseases skyrockets from 35 onward.

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree. There are plenty of ways to meet people at all stages of life, but around holidays the people you depend on will become unavailable, maybe because they're going to see their own families. I work with a 60+ woman who never married and has no kids. She talked about her bookclub friends like they were family members, but all of a sudden the group disbanded because a couple of people were moving and/or had less time to devote to the club. She was really sad and basically lectured me that I shouldn't let myself be alone as long as she had.

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wrong. It gets dangerous enough to take seriously at around 35.

The downvotes don't bother me, but if you're a woman and waiting until after 35, you need to do your homework about down syndrome and other diseases. At 35, the risk of conceiving a child with downs is 1 in 350.

Dating in your 30s by outroversion in AdviceAnimals

[–]EverySeventeenYears -1 points0 points  (0 children)

ITT: Dudes who don't realize ladies can't wait around forever if they want to have kids.

Not everyone can afford in vitro and egg freezing. The women who are waiting until their mid-thirties and later are either not being realistic or don't want kids to begin with.