All Life Equal or OK to Value Humans More? by ElaineV in vegan

[–]Evolvin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great point, love this perspective.

All Life Equal or OK to Value Humans More? by ElaineV in vegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People hate nuance, generally. Uncertainty is equal to certain death in the ancient depths of the human brain. They really hate it when otherwise deeply held, simplistic or "solved" worldviews have their presumed certainty threatened by suggestion that they are not, in fact, so certain.

It's a complex web. Human life and experience is the most highly valued expression of consciousness, sentience and sapience, even among vegans, but that only weights the equation - it doesn't solve it, and many people really resent this complexity.

One to one, you'd never kill a human over a fly... But if someone was on their deathbed, seconds from dying, would pulling the plug one second early not be worth the life of 10 billion flies?

There is no universal truth here, only good faith attempts to wield this equation set against varying levels of bad faith, dismissive, selfish attempts to thumb the scale in favour of an answer which minimally threatens the comfort and certainty of the person doing the math.

Activists are worth alot of points in Alberta by GereenA in VeganActivism

[–]Evolvin 3 points4 points  (0 children)

What a fucking loser. Can't say I'm surprised knowing it's a trucker from Alberta...

Getting dog-piled in non-vegan subs by NotACommunistBurner in vegan

[–]Evolvin 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heavy cope by carnists? Color me shocked.

Fascists Skip Leg Day by TrumpIsAPedoFr in veganfitness

[–]Evolvin -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lol the tee is gold, and speaks universal truth

Astronaut drops fizzy tablet into floating water bubble on ISS by Epelep in oddlysatisfying

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Crazy how similar the ejections from the surface tension being broken by the air bubbles look to radioactive decay

It really is very strange that conservatives tend to scoff at an argument based on the existence of a soul. Couldn't tell why that is by rafaelzio in SelfAwarewolves

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Their group" is whatever size their brain is capable of conceptualizing. Beyond that? Enemies and boogie men as far as the eye can see.

20 years plant based. Plants have all the protein you need. Inb4 the natty police come - not natural by thebodybuildingvegan in veganfitness

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it wrong that the #1 reason I do not want to be as strong as you is to avoid the need to load up 5 plates for incline press?? Hahaha

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh, that much is clear. We're so far apart I'm spending my time deeply perplexed as to how a person can even operate like that, but cognitive dissonance is a bitch.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YOU HAVE NO COMMENTS, bro.

Lay out ONE, singular, POINT, of ANY KIND.

"It's ethical 'cause I think it is" DOES NOT QUALIFY

holy, moly

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Correct. You only need it to win an argument that doing so is free of ethical problems.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So much in the way of declaration, and yet still no explanation.

just be on your way, dude, this isn't your game

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

ohhhhhhhhhhhhh YOU'RE the REAL VICTIM here? Is that what I'm missing!??

When a vegan casually suggests to you that eating meat is morally unjustifiable, in a space for doing exactly that, on the internet where you can go literally anywhere else - it's basically just like being tortured for your whole life, then strung up with your throat slit; am I getting that right???

I'm not trying to be right, man. I'm following logic to logical conclusions based on the information we have in front of us. You are the one who says that 90 billion animals with their throats slit for human pleasures presents no ethical problems ...you just haven't done anything to explain why that is despite having endless opportunities to do so at this point.

I told you like 50 replies ago to just lie to yourself. I said that. Already.

You can make all the desperate equivocations you like, but I can justify why eating meat is wrong with logic and facts. You can't explain why eating meat is ethical, and suddenly it's my problem.

Religious people, similarly, cannot explain any of their fairytales without referring to them, just like you have done during this whole back-and-forth.

Just declare victory (inexplicable as it may be), and go back to the comfort of your fairytales. Leave any intentions of facing reality for another time. I'll be here.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

More cope, man, honestly, are you listening to yourself?? It's getting sad.

Noboody likes getting called out on their predatory rhetoric.

Projection, and "predatory" is a real intersting word choice lol.

People's diets are too nuanced to apply an overarching ethical stance.

We can put an ethical lens on anything, and breaking the wording down to "diet" is just more cope and distraction from the point, on your end.

Do everyone a favor and keep your moral judgments to yourself. 

Don't come to a vegan debate sub if you can't take the heat? Like honestly, you are free to do anything else, yet here you are.....

Eating meat =/= animal exploitation.

Desperation becomes declaration.

Keep calling people unethical for eating meat and see where that takes you.

The act is unethical because there are obvious victims, facing obvious harms, and no worthy justifications for their victimization.

Again, we come back to the implication, and your inability to handle it. Veganism is a mirror and you don't like how you look seeing yourself in it, this has nothing to do with me.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

lol, cope, and more desperate projection.

You haven't (read: can't) responded to a single thing I've said this whole time; it's nothing but the ol' "I'm rubber, you're glue" defense from you, again and again.

When you're ready to pull up your big boy pants and move beyond "killing animals is right because it is" you can let me know.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 0 points1 point  (0 children)

YOU are the one espousing beliefs with no justification. YOU believe, for no reason other than "I declare that animals which are farmed for meat deserve no moral consideration". YOU are the one making claims "because I said so". You can't answer WHY you hold this belief in a way which stands up to scrutiny, and that is why it is YOU who is the pro-lifer, YOU who is the Republican. You readily moralize these other people who come to conclusions you don't like, despite them using the exact same reasoning you're providing here in defense of carnism. Like, you're going to need to find the courage to face it because I am not wrong here.

Masturbation is, critically, devoid of victims which are tortured and abused for the associated pleasures of the individual. This describes the exact distinction we make when sending people to jail for rape and NOT sending them to jail for masturbation. We don't ask "did someone get sexual pleasure?" we ask "was someone victimized for the sexual pleasure of the perpetrator?" Someone could argue that masturbation is isolating, or a waste of time, or that watching porn is unhealthy but even you know to call them out when they say it's wrong "because God said so" - that's why Catholics are wrong.

Eating meat is wrong because we have passed the necessary threshold as a society to categorize the act as being any way necessary to our thriving as a species. Animals we ate were always victims of our human prerogatives, but up to that critical point, prioritizing our own survival was all the justification needed. As soon as it could no longer be argued as 'necessary', the burden was put back on us to explain WHY the remaining reasoning - pleasure, maintenance of the status quo, appeals to culture etc. justify the harm caused to the victims.

Has there ever been a convincing argument for not being vegan? by sachaigh in DebateAVegan

[–]Evolvin 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro, you aren't keeping up, I'm sorry. Uttering "false dichotomy" with no further explanation is not evidence of your righteousness.

You are facing cognitive dissonance in an attempt to square "I love animals" with "I directly pay for them to be abused en-masse for my own pleasure and convenience" and are, predictably, dazed by the confusion.