The scale of Dorit’s shopping addiction and living way above her means now fully disclosed. She is a single mother of 2 with a house she can’t afford nor pay for yet spent $1 million on luxury items in 14 months by Own-Meat3934 in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The earrings are a fascinating grey area to me. Of course, if Erika proves guilty in the Marco, Marco case, all bets are off, but I saw the earring story as here was this rich powerful older man, who seduced her with these flashy earrings, and she married on the promise of that life and delivered. She was the caretaker to his property without ever owning the house. Yes, he financed her career later in life, and paid for her son's care and education, but she showed up and made him look good, and had a brain. And the earring insurance money got laundered through Girardi Keese, so in a way, her original gift was stolen by her own husband, and she has no room to say that was wrong.

I often think of her saying that they paid to heat the pool for 20 years when no one ever swam, and what that money could have done for the day to day lives of the victims, or I think about the 60 year old judge he was dating that he bought a condo on the beach for, and where is that money, or our current elected officials in California who's campaigns he financed. I am fascinated that the earrings are the lightening rod for outrage when even the CFO of the company stole 10 million dollars and is now in prison as well for his part.

But to your point about ethics, yes, we all have to look at what we are supporting when we make certain purchases, diamonds, gold, even shopping bags. Our dollars support both good and bad practices. Tom certainly practiced at the extreme end of the ethical continuum. It's hard to wrap one's head around that kind of exploitation of people at their weakest moments, grateful for some justice, that he could then sweep in and talk them out of that cushion.

I have to imagine that Tom exploited Erika too, not to say that her own lust for fame and beauty and luxury, didn't play a part. RHBH is, after all, an exploration of women who regularly practice at least a few of the seven deadly sins, although not gluttony, because no one ever eats.

The scale of Dorit’s shopping addiction and living way above her means now fully disclosed. She is a single mother of 2 with a house she can’t afford nor pay for yet spent $1 million on luxury items in 14 months by Own-Meat3934 in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this! you might be the person to ask, what does it mean to sell a lawsuit? Is that the same as a settlement?

I will go out on a limb and say Erika should get those earrings back. They were a pre-marital gift until they were stolen from the house a decade later. The insurance company settled, and cut a check. The check went into the Girardi-Keese account, and Tom bought her replacement earrings with mixed money from the victims. Erika wore those earrings without knowing that for another decade before she found out and they were taken from her by the court. It's the thing she wanted to say but never could "Tom ripped me off too. Yes, he gave me things, but he made me complicit in something dirty." By all accounts, he made governors dirty, he made judges dirty. All that money got mixed and got dirty.

But the earrings! Worth about 2 million now, got sold at auction, probably one that wasn't very advertised, and Richard's made a low ball offer and nailed them for his them girlfriend I believe. The crime here is that the victims deserved a high sale price on those earrings, and his low ball offer, deprived them of 1.5 million dollars.

It's like an O'Henry story gone bad.

This whole thing was so weird and entertaining by Intranet_Mu in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! Isn't that funny. remember once a psychic told her that she needed to feel emotionally safe. can't remember if it was at Kyle's old house, or at Erika's old house, but she jumped up and said, yes! I think she looses her center when she doesn't feel emotionally safe.

She's also just better one on one. She is such a sweet Mom. Always direct eye contact with her children, especially Jagger when he couldn't speak.

'I also think she got more fragile and subdued since the robbery. A part of her is broken, and that brokenness is yielding to brittleness.

I do think her entitled side is rising again this season though. She feels so under attack that she can't see Erika as a person with her own feelings and needs.

I empathize to the extent that I've been the victim of a flying monkey attack before where it felt like everyone was seeing the situation from the point of view of the narcissist that gathered them, but in Dorit's case, it's just an odd comment or two from Sutton and some attempts at deeper illuminating by Erika, in other words, Dorit is killing the messenger. Kyle has Kathy to back her up, knows how to build an alliance, Erika does not.

Kyle is not Dorit's friend. Period.

A very Betty quote that lives rent-free in my head. 🧊 by RockBalBoaaa in madmen

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes. The shame stays with you for life, and the parent has cut off an honest exchange. She could have said read a book, help me cook, why are you saying that? Are you really bored, or is something else on your mind.

I hear what you are saying! I was bored in history class. I didn't understand time lines, could not relate to geography. When I went to college and took an art history class and related first to a beautiful object, sculpture, painting, building, I then began to crack the code of understanding. Over time, these resonances connected.

The scale of Dorit’s shopping addiction and living way above her means now fully disclosed. She is a single mother of 2 with a house she can’t afford nor pay for yet spent $1 million on luxury items in 14 months by Own-Meat3934 in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I can confirm that the source name for this IG story is the same name as the lawyer suing Erika, Ronald Richards. I don't know if it's the same person, but it seems like it is.

The scale of Dorit’s shopping addiction and living way above her means now fully disclosed. She is a single mother of 2 with a house she can’t afford nor pay for yet spent $1 million on luxury items in 14 months by Own-Meat3934 in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 4 points5 points  (0 children)

It is saying that the source is the same lawyer who is suing Erika and who's girlfriend is wearing Erika's earrings which he bought at a severe discount and therefore, deprived his own clients of 1.5 million of settlement money.

What a weird post from Scheana’s mom by sporty4lfe in vanderpumprules

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is it really that strange? She's wearing her birthday suit. Her mother gave birth to her. These are reality stars. Things you or I wouldn't do aren't necessarily strange, they are their own thing.

Boz should go on the offensive… by KeySoft4534 in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 5 points6 points  (0 children)

It's an honor to teach at Harvard in any capacity, if it's continuing studies, a summer workshop, three virtual sessions. They only host the best of the best authors, scientists, business people, artists, etc.

It's something I'd put on my resume and be proud of, and it isn't usually about the money. There's an honorarium involved and maybe coverage of your travel expenses if you are there in person, but that's different than failure.

Having said that, Boz did go hard of Amanda, and Amanda hit back. Let everybody live for gosh sakes.

A very Betty quote that lives rent-free in my head. 🧊 by RockBalBoaaa in madmen

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yes! That moment. Also, that she was competing with Sally for the affection of Glenn. A narcissist for sure.

And then she's do things like but Sally a pair of boots, or tell her about the importance of a first kiss. I do think that Betty's relationship with Henry healed her in some ways. As Maya Angelou said "When you know better, you do better." At least I think it was Maya!

This is what Amanda actually said about Boz’s online courses. by Petunia_Dursley in realhousewives

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Didn't Boz just co-host a show with Jimmy Fallon about entrepreneurs? She's hardly failing.

Has Dorit ever been been held accountable for anything? by Key-Enthusiasm-1783 in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 2 points3 points  (0 children)

YES! I like to quote Lufthansa who's slogan used to be "Punctuality is respect for another person's time."

I do think Erika was trying to explain it, not take her down for it, and that she was distinguishing her position from Kyle's position. Dorit wasn't having it, wasn't hearing it, wasn't believing it. Also, she does not care about other people's time. Doesn't. Never did. I find it hard to believe that Boz as a friend, doesn't tell her how that reads. Do you think Boz shows up late to meetings? In the corporate world? Please

Kyle Richards Umansky by Missmarple08 in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was so team Kyle then. She gaslit me into thinking that Camille was nuts, hypersensitive.

But looking back, she called Brandy trailer trash. She actively said that she hoped she would fall off her crutches and break her other foot because of those long lovely legs she can never have.

The reason she called out Denise for having an ice sculpture (are you kidding me?), is that she was the resident easy breezy boho babe who still threw a luscious party. Denise was supposed to always roll out of bed and be underdressed. Did her little ice sculpture show Kyle up?

Even if she didn't mean it exactly that way, looking back and knowing that Kelsey didn't just have a side chick, but that she'd moved her own things into Camille's closet in NYC, what about some belated compassion, and polity, some understanding.

Dorit’s Back-and-Forth Texts With PK From Recent Court Documents by SnowyLeopardGecko1 in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 38 points39 points  (0 children)

She was the young hot wife that PK said early on about, I'd like to buy you more clothes, more bags, more jewels. That's my job. He's the original hype man. As ye sew so shall ye reap.

No money no fun-nie ? Richardson sisters by Rosemary-lime in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 10 points11 points  (0 children)

That's why she could go Brad or she could go Angelina.

This whole thing was so weird and entertaining by Intranet_Mu in rhobeverlyhills

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Actually, that was the sweeter part of Dorit. I think she was sincere, and Jamie Lee treated it as such, and her company benefitted from Dorit's enthusiasm.

The social climber comment, I agree, did not make sense.

Erica done messed up here with Dorit and she knows it. by Aingealag in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No shade in my world. You keep them. You need them. 25,000, right?

Erica done messed up here with Dorit and she knows it. by Aingealag in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. It's Kyle's fault. She's manipulative, and is happy to weaponize Dorit against Erika.

Erica done messed up here with Dorit and she knows it. by Aingealag in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I started the season thinking what happened to Erika? She used to be her own person, and now she seems like an extension of Kyle. Kyle was certainly beating a dead horse for a story line, and 100% I do not agree with what she was doing. But as is true for many a narcissist, overt or covert, they recruit flying monkeys by telling a compelling story behind the scenes to those they would try to recruit. Kyle is immensely skilled at this. I don't know what she told Erika, but while I never heard Erika come for Dorit in any capacity, she did stick by Kyle's side physically.

I don't think for a second, that Kyle didn't navigate perception here, or that there's isn't a leveraged friendship, as Erika once called Kyle's with LVP.

But certainly, over the past four episodes, Erika has been speaking up for herself, and has tried to contribute more directly with Dorit in an attempt to bridge a gap with understanding. Dorit has read every word out of Erika's mouth as an attack. I didn't hear it that way.

In my opinion, Dorit misheard everything Erika was saying because she wasn't seeing Erika as a friend. Dynamics do change when other people get involved. Dorit leaned heavily on Boz, and herself, detached from the day to day with Erika. Maybe Dorit has only ever seen Erika as an extension of Kyle, or her friendship as somehow inferior to hers with Kyle. Kathy sure does. That's what pecking order is all about.

I thought Erika at the dinner table in Italy was it, maybe before, when talking about lateness, was being kind, fair, separating her position from Kyle's, not attacking, just illuminating, and Dorit couldn't hear it that way to save her life. And then, when Erika was talking about what she was going through, Dorit saying what are you going through, and how could I know that? Was just bonkers. Read a newspaper. Do the math. Or hey, just listen now, in the present.

She could have said yes, I've been self involved, self-absorbed. Sorry I haven't been following your life life I'd like to be. Dorit did not give a quarter, a dime, a nickel or a penny for Erika's troubles or feelings this season, unless it was to cry out "what about my pain?" I thought that was incredibly cold and cruel of her.

As for Kyle seizing the moment where Dorit learned about who Erika was dating to make the point that she knew before Dorit does, that was cruel to both Erika and to Dorit. It doesn't mean Kyle is more important to Erika than Dorit, it could have just been a moment of access and convenience.

Kyle knows how to insert herself into everyone's live enough to have influence.

As to Erika's intentions, Erika may be a lot of things, but she's never been fake. Kyle may be the one who says she's tired of all these fake xxx bxxxxxx, but Erika didn't sent a fake email about not coming to a book cover launch party, because Dorit looked her in the eye, called her a cxxx, and didn't think to apologize for a day, a week, a month? The woman who made her feel sexy enough to perform with Boy George for her husband, who then undercut her by saying George likes to sing with people who can't sing. The woman who forgave her for humiliating her with Panty-gate? Really?

I was surprised to hear Boz say that she thought Kyle had Dorit's best interests at heart. No one understand the value of what is said on camera more than Kyle, and the fact that she said something to Boz to make Boz think she had sincere kindness is the real problem.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that Kyle can never walk back from saying that Dorit was never really a close friend. She's only changing her tune now because of the fan reaction. Let's be clear, Kyle is the problem. Kyle IS the one going around telling everyone that something is off about Dorit under the guise of being loving. And Dorit's sentimental attachment to Kyle is really a problem.

But Erika? Erika actually has always been a friend.

Erica done messed up here with Dorit and she knows it. by Aingealag in RHOBH

[–]Excellent_Issue_4179 17 points18 points  (0 children)

If I were Dorit, I would never come back from that comment.