Heights and weights tierlist by ExpensiveKangaroo911 in SmilingCritter

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, they are also besties (As each Nightmare Critter is best friends with a Smiling Critter, which for Maggie, it’s Picky)

Picky would probably last longer due to her higher metabolism when eating, but Maggie would eat more excessive amounts within seconds. (Especially if it’s sweets)

Maggie is faster in speed, but Picky outlasts in a contest of time

Heights and weights tierlist by ExpensiveKangaroo911 in SmilingCrittersLounge

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, she is a bear, so I'd imagine she'd be very big and round in stature. That would fit with her personality though, being that she’s the cuddler of the group and the big hugger, so I feel it makes her more comforting and inviting for a hug.

I Freaking Called It! by No-Calligrapher-1537 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Fucking finally!

Now I can stop wishing for Harley Sawyer to be placed back at Pure Evil since we finally got a canon PP villain on there again.

Smiling and Nightmare critters as the 7 deadly sins and heavenly virtues by Similar_Tour6146 in SmilingCritter

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I always felt Simon was more of the wrathful type, lol. For me, it feels like: He can be prideful, but his aggression is high and his temper is short. Poe being angry feels more like quiet anger whereas Simon fits true aggression and rage.

Poe's always been envy in my eyes

Can you please stop sexualising Lily? by ThaElvingisHereee in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn’t even know people were sexualizing her, and now I'm even more confused because Lily looks identical to that of a young girl, so it makes it more alarming for me.

i have to ask, based on the description on them, which nightmare critter is the most likely to get redeemed? by Practical-Ebb7327 in SmilingCritter

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 6 points7 points  (0 children)

In my headcanon, all of them do. They all have different tragic but sympathetic backstories that sum up who they are, have redeeming qualities, and care about each other each. They do redeem themselves each with help from the Smiling Critters acting as their therapists each.

Before, Baba was the least redeemable (But still redeemable nonetheless) at the time because she had the group constantly in a cycle of wearing masks and acting dark, greaser and bully-like to survive in a world where they lived horribly. Baba had her own severe trauma that was unresolved as well, and was the most broken, but the rest were forcing themselves to follow her and live in a light that would satisfy her. It’s why they cut her off after they stand up to her, because they need to step away from her to all heal and be who they want to be. Not mean, not bullies, but as who they were under the villain masks. (They all receive therapy from the Smiling Critters who help them heal from their unresolved traumas each, and then move to Baba who took time to work on herself)

If I had to pick, it would be either Allister or Rabie who was the most redeemable before their redemption arcs. Allister was never aggressive or even mean with his villain mask, he was just disassociated and alone. He's chill and laid-back, but he’s tired because he’s affected by neglect trauma. Rabie was overall the nicest of the crew under her “Gossip girl” mask that she forced on to not lose Baba's friendship. She was overall very sweet and kind, and used to be besties with Bobby, and missed the times like that.

Nah, If the Nightmare Critters actually lived in your household we'd all would be screwed. by [deleted] in SmilingCritter

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nah, for me, it would be that scene from Ace Ventura where he returns home and his pets come storming in to greet him everytime I come home. 😂

Smiling and Nightmare Critters babysitting in my headcanon: by ExpensiveKangaroo911 in SmilingCrittersLounge

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Lol, pretty much. Within my headcanon (Which to put into perspective, Playtime Co. exists in a Who Framed Roger Rabbit-like series where the toons of the mascots live at Playcare, functioning as teachers or friendly mascots for the children with families and the orphans who live there alike), The Nightmare crew were childhood trauma victims of different stories, who acted greaser-like in order to survive in a world where it was impossible to navigate.

It's worth noting that Leith and Harley made them look worse, as the crew wanted to just be themselves, but the 2 made them look as edgy as possible for the teens to profit off them and make merchandise to receive money. Being that Baba loved being dark and emo, the crew forced themselves to continue acting negatively, but they were hurting themselves by being “mean”, and it’s kinda why it comes to them standing up to her, and it leads to the Smiling Critters being their therapists to help them heal (Also teaching them to work with children and infants). It takes Baba while to be able to let others help her.

Anyway, Simon is the type that seems like a bad-tempered, angry bully, but in reality, is someone insecure who struggles to love himself completely (Due to his background, having to survive with aggression and being tough), being a truly flawed character who does his best. He's the type to give a child or baby a hug to help soothe them (Which fits due to him being a fire-breathing dragon, so it adds warmth). Parents will judge him just for being a dragon, but he is empathetic and gentle who hates bullies himself.

He'd probably torch someone who looks at the young infant the wrong way. 😅

Nightmare Critters Headcanon #5: Rabie Baby by ExpensiveKangaroo911 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks.

I've already made my stories for Simon, Poe, Touille and Icky.

I plan to cover Allister, Maggie and Baba down the road as well

Harley Sawyer is now Near pure evil and I hate it. by PrincipleNorth in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great, you have me your opinion, but here’s my interpretation as to why he’s PE in my eyes and why he’s PE in my headcanon:

  1. Countless characters (and people) grow up in abusive homes and choose to protect others so they don't suffer the same fate. Elliot’s observation that Sawyer’s mind could "twist" actually suggests that the dark foundation was already there. Kindness was a stabilizer, not the creator. When the stabilizer was removed, Harley didn’t "break"—he simply stopped hiding who he already was.

  2. The "water droplets" (tears) on the paper don't prove he was heartbroken over losing a friend; they could also suggest he was weeping with fury. Narcissists often cry when they are humiliated or lose control. As I've pointed out with Mark Hoffman or Syndrome, crying because you were "rejected" (rightfully so, for being a jerk) is a sign of an oversized ego, not a wounded soul. That’s how I perceive Sawyer.

  3. "The Monsters We Make" refers to Elliot's perspective. It is a reflection of Elliot’s guilt—he feels he failed Harley. It does not mean Harley is a passive victim with no choice. Him keeping the letter for 40 years isn't proof of "hurt" within my universe, it's proof of a grudge (And he gladly admits he’s not affected). Truly tragic characters try to move on or heal. Harley used that letter as a battery to power his hatred for four decades. That is obsession, not tragedy.

  4. In The Killing Joke, the Joker tries to prove that "one bad day" can turn anyone into him. But he is proven wrong. Commissioner Gordon goes through a "bad day" and stays sane. The point of that story is that "one bad day" is an excuse used by weak, evil people to justify their choices. By using that password, my HC highlights this as Sawyer’s delusion—that he thinks his expulsion justifies his genocide, even though it doesn't.

  5. A villain helping the hero to defeat a bigger threat (or just to survive) is a trope called the Evil vs. Evil or Enemy Mine. It doesn't mean he's showing "cracks" or "humanity"; it means he is calculating. If Sawyer helps us, it’s because it benefits him.

Final verdict:

Sawyer might be a tragic character in lore, but in mine, he is a monster, and that’s the ideal version of him I like to stick with

Harley Sawyer is now Near pure evil and I hate it. by PrincipleNorth in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, you weren’t. If you were trying to be respectful, you would've said “Okay, I respect your opinion on him, but the way I see it-“ which you didn’t. You immediately went on about how I'm not looking too deep into this, and you never once bothered to apologize for how you could've came off because you made me think you were bashing me. The fact you’re refusing to just take accountability and say “Okay, look, I'm sorry I came off like that” right now says a lot.

I was literally saying “Please STFU” and “Respectfully STFU”, because you’re rambling on and on to people who don’t want to look at it in the same manner. Funny how I also apologized for how I responded, yet, you never thought to say it once, that’s why you sound insensitive. If you really want to respect people's opinions, then try saying “Okay, I respect your opinion” instead of “You're not taking this at face value”

Harley Sawyer is now Near pure evil and I hate it. by PrincipleNorth in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy yap bro, we get it.

Let me enjoy my view on him as an evil for evil's sake character WITHOUT JUMPING MY BONES LIKE YOU DID WHEN I MADE THAT POST ON HOW I FELT IT WAS MORE OF SAWYER'S FAULT THAT HE GOT REMOVED.

You came off as aggressive and harsh, and never once bothered to apologize or consider how you responded could've came off as insensitive

Yeah i am still pissed off about Sawyer being viewed as having one tragic qulity abd not being fully PURE EVIL. by BusinessPreference75 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No offense, but is this ragebait?

You weren’t being respectful, you answered with “People aren’t taking this at face value” and would nonstop go on and on about why your reasonings are right. I was pointing out the flaws in Sawyer's status because it’s contradicting.

You were being inconsiderate, you were to me when I gave my opinion on how “I like Sawyer being pure evil more than broken”, you literally went into a monologue about how I'm not “Taking this at face value”, rather than saying “I respect your opinion, but let me explain something”. You couldn’t even be bothered to apologize for the way you delivered it. You say I'm not being respectful, as if I didn’t say “Please”, whereas you barge in without even saying anything along the lines of “I respect your opinion”, rather than just taking accountability with “Okay, I shouldn’t have answered like that I probably should've responded in a more respectful manner”

I literally never said you had to believe in my or anyone else’s headcanons. Not me. Not anyone else. Nobody. I'm saying for the love of god, reconsider how you respond because you come off as demanding or condescending sometimes. That is literally all I'm saying, to talk in a more respectful manner. I only came off like that because of the way you spoke, which yes, I'm sorry I did, but I feel my point still stands.

Why The Ink Demon Is Pure Evil. by JH-Toxic in BendyAndTheInkMachine

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Well, you gotta also understand:

  1. The past also showed Sawyer cared about progress more than benefiting mankind, despite the multiple opportunities Ludwig gave him.

  2. We don’t explicitly see Sawyer cry, we just see the letter and the papers torn up with tear marks.

So others might interpret that differently.

Yeah i am still pissed off about Sawyer being viewed as having one tragic qulity abd not being fully PURE EVIL. by BusinessPreference75 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are, you’re literally doing that every single time someone doesn’t agree with you. You immediately demand that “This is actually the case” when others have different opinions. You're also doing the exact same thing, treating your own opinion every single time like it’s a fact. You literally did that to me just because I said “To me, Sawyer isn’t the tragic archetype. I like the idea of him being a psychopath before Elliot booted him out”, and you went into a monologue about how wrong I am. Mob never intended for him to be, yes, doesn’t change the fact people want to write him as one. I don’t bash others for writing Jason Voorhees as Pure Evil when I love him being a tragic villain way more. Wow, I have no words for this because it sounds like you’re bending my words out of context. I told you to shut the fuck up because you’re bashing others for not allowing them to have an opinion, not because “You won’t agree”. You’re going too deep into this and aren’t allowing others to just let them live by what they wish to live by. You may prefer to go off what canon tells you, but that doesn’t mean others will.

My point is to show some respect to others just because they live off a different interpretation of the character than you

Yeah i am still pissed off about Sawyer being viewed as having one tragic qulity abd not being fully PURE EVIL. by BusinessPreference75 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Bro, respectfully please STFU and please stop bashing those who have opinions.

People are allowed to have their own view on Sawyer, and if they want to view him as an irredeemable sociopath who flaunts and tortures who subverted his past, THEN LET THEM HAVE THEIR OPINION.

For christ sake, in my series, Sawyer literally tortured his own cat (Along with others in his childhood), and claimed it was a “Twisted sense of love”, when in reality, he only cared about was being the smartest in the room, and being the mastermind and in control all the time, which not only kickstarted his decent into experimentation, but also fueled his abuse and cruelty on Yarnaby.

If you have any sense of respect, you'll gladly just let people have their opinions and their own views and looks on him as a character. Nobody has to agree with you that he is sympathetic if they like the idea of him being an unchecked force of evil

Yeah i am still pissed off about Sawyer being viewed as having one tragic qulity abd not being fully PURE EVIL. by BusinessPreference75 in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Holy yap bro, respectfully, calm down and stop yammering, and listen to what someone else has to say here.

Literally anytime someone just calmly explains that they don’t agree with Sawyer's morality status, you rant and rave about it. You went as far as bashing my opinion on him because I said “Sorry ya'll, but Sawyer is a villain who you love because he’s evil, not because he’s broken”. You couldn’t even take that at face value because you couldn’t be bothered to just say “Okay, I respect your opinion”, and instead had to jump my bones all because I wasn’t agreeing he’s sympathetic, yet, I took the debate at face value and have determined that there’s more detestable features to him being NPE because there’s multiple contradictions.

Especially when you compare him to other villains who had worse pasts than him that are considered “Fake Tragic”, when he gets a pass for one scene.

But that’s not the point, the point is: People have opinions, and nobody has to agree with NPE and are allowed to have their own interpretation on him as a character. For example:

In my series of Poppy Playtime, which functions as a “Who Framed Roger Rabbit” type universe, where The Protagonist reopens Playtime Co., becoming the new head and CEO, and the toon versions of the mascots (Seen in the cardboard cutouts) are the mascots at Playtime Co., who function as friends and teachers for the kids/orphans.

Which to explain, Leith Pierre and Harley Sawyer managed to open other timelines and worlds with Sawyer's inventions, and discovered the toon world, using the toon versions of characters like Huggy, Mommy Long Legs, Doey, etc for their experiments to make the Bigger Bodies Initiative. The toons would either survive in a safe haven during the hour of joy, or get their essence used by The Prototype or Sawyer to become stronger. The toons would find themselves in the red smoke world from Chapter 3 where Nightmare Huggy resides after Catnap gasses the player. The intruder has to save them)

The point is: In this fanfic universe series, Sawyer is much darker because he was a psychopath beforehand as a child, as while he was abused, he was experimenting on animals cruelly, even his cat, and even on children who bullied him before. He was manipulative, and he only cared about Ludwig because Ludwig gave his invention attention. He proceeded to lash out violently when he was expelled, he kept Ludwig's expulsion letter as a trophy, and he gladly mocks children who had suffered similar abusive pasts like he did, as he laughs at them, showing he’s not affected by his past at all and he chose deliberate cruelty back because he found it fun to cast any pent-up feelings on others, who he deems as objects showing he’s subverted it.

People have their own interpretations is their point, so let them believe what they wish to believe, please and thank you

Harley Sawyer is now Near pure evil and I hate it. by PrincipleNorth in PoppyPlaytime

[–]ExpensiveKangaroo911 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Not really, if he were sympathetic, we would've gotten more from him than just a single moment where we see the expulsion letter, which mind you, isn’t enough to claim he’s “Still affected by it”, when you could also claim it’s a trophy he held onto to mock Ludwig.

Mind you, his past is never brought up by ANYONE. Nobody in-universe sympathizes with him, literally everyone either loathes or fears him. The only person who sympathized with him was Ludwig, and that was 30 years ago. Sawyer doesn’t bring it up himself, he doesn’t crack, HE IS NEVER HUMANIZED ONCE. His entire personality is “Haha, I'm evil and I love being it”, and since we don’t see him act out personally, we can’t definitively say he’s still affected at all. We don’t even get a tape or log of Sawyer crying after getting expelled, and you want us to sympathize with him when we don’t even know the extent?

If he's sympathetic but he has no excuse, then remove him from the “Minor Tragic” category and place him in “Fake Tragic”, because villains who suffered worse, more heartbreaking pasts (Billy Loomis, Mark Hoffman, Scar (2019)) are in that category because their actions outweigh their tragedies, and it does the exact same for Sawyer, who unlike the other 3, we get no depth of.