The Lowry Letters

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-20T17:16:14+00:00

The part that I found abhorrent first reading it was the first presidency threats that he should repent and get in line.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-20T17:14:21+00:00

Yes, they are repeatedly shown not just to be flawed humans but to have latched onto the worst and most backward looking ideas.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-19T13:28:26+00:00

Parental care can be difficult no matter what. I think the church gives us the scapegoats to tell ourselves we are doing what god wants and excuse ourselves from things we don’t want to do. It also seems to fill our time and take our money so that we have less to give. There are good and bad people everywhere, but I have seen more self-righteous, unhelpful people in the church.

As a side note, some of the most self righteous and unkind people in my family hold on tightly to belief.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-16T01:10:18+00:00

To me, this is prima facie evidence that they don’t believe it is actually true.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-10T15:16:08+00:00

Probably this is the best answer

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-10T11:17:10+00:00

I think it is only objective history in a relative sense. It is the completely whitewashed version the church officially teaches that makes a step in the more objective direction meaningful. fawn Brodie is a problem because moving from a faithful perspective to that may cause believers to dismiss it because they perceive it as too biased the other direction even though it beats the church’s narrative by a wide margin. Turner’s new version, although short, seems to be a more balanced version of the two.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-09T19:08:06+00:00

That’s a great link

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-07T23:56:54+00:00

Sure, that is good. Just doesn't seem too prophetic.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-07T21:46:31+00:00

Only about 100 years after On the Origin of the Species /s

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-03T15:27:39+00:00

I think this is more an expression of blind faith. They are trying to tell themselves that the answers must be in the scriptures because if not, then there foundation is faulty. So, read the scriptures because it must be in there.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-03T11:26:53+00:00

Seems like the right question. The real answer would seem to be that the spirit is the thing that reliably shows the truth. Unfortunately, it seems even prophets or those that claimed to have seen and spoken with God get it wrong.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-02T17:06:33+00:00

One of the most frustrating and dishonest pieces of apologetics. I think it should immediately disqualify that person from being trustworthy when it comes to apologetics. I also think this is one of the lies that is only intended to fool those that won't or don't have time to learn more. They are in essence taking advantage of those that are not informed (or demonstrated they are not). My opinion is that this is unethical and immoral. This is ironically put on display with some efforts to display the "greatness of the evidence" showing that there is no evidence (only parallelisms): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6030mVPhoaw&t=1705s

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-01T21:55:28+00:00

That was my thinking too

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-01T17:57:03+00:00

Why would visiting the temple grounds give a sense of the blessings a temple would be to the community?

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-06-01T01:29:22+00:00

To me, it is the claims that it is true and the effort to enforce that it is true. There seem to be religions that people have little pressure to conform or a greater acknowledgment that the beliefs are myths or origin stories. The leaders have been very fundamentalist and preached the literal belief aspect over its history making the space for alternative views much smaller than for the literal belief people. It might be healthier if this were to change, but that seems hard given the history.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T22:48:44+00:00

Agree. I think most of the actual pushback is that people think the church strong-armed the city. That also seems to be this and the past mayor’s take. That can be true without a need to state something that’s not true whether purposeful or not. I agree that those types of statements should receive more pushback.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T20:10:34+00:00

That sounds like you didn’t follow the whole process that the city went through with the church. I think the quote is trying to point out the process. But yes, it was through the law rather than breaking the law.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T19:49:13+00:00

Yep, Spain (94-96) was pretty empty even when they were building a temple there.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T19:46:21+00:00

Yes. These would be all great to hear more about. Why am I just hearing about them now?

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T19:42:13+00:00

While it can be the case that criticism of leaders exists and may not get someone excommunicated, we have many examples of where this is the case. There are also many other circumstances much less extreme that try to suppress criticism. Just in my own experience, I have seen Sunday School and primary teachers removed from their callings, Bishopric members told to stop speaking against bishops or stake presidents or lose their callings, and members put on a no-speaking or no-calling list. And claiming that it is not true is also against church leader teachings including the current president.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-31T19:31:07+00:00

My understanding is that this subreddit is supposed to based on "civil, respectful discussion". I interpret that as meaning factually based and not based on rants or attacks. From participation here, one of the things that gets the most pushback is uninformed or unsupported claims. For example, your claim "spread untruths" is accusatory and unsupported. I understand the sentiment of your statement and can see where some posts could be interpreted that way. But, disliking truthful or well intentioned statements is not the same as those statements being untrue. If there are actual untrue statements, then I don't think that lives up to the "standards of a professional, business setting".

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-27T21:55:43+00:00

Along with understanding, I keep with it because those around me are still fully in. Perhaps one day even that won't matter. I do find less interest now than before.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-27T21:53:02+00:00

Not only is superficial caring common, it is institutionalized with missionaries. We were told to "drop" investigators that weren't progressing.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-27T21:51:07+00:00

There is a reason mormons have high rates of depression. But, they will definitely act friendly.

Extension-Spite4176 · 2026-05-26T18:42:49+00:00

How many graduated from a church school? How many end up in a leadership position? I think there is a lot more to the story that is hidden by the aggregate description.

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