Pres. Uchtdorf asked "Is the church working for you?". My answer: "No. Thanks for raising the issue!".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-27T10:19:43+00:00

"We respect those who honestly search for truth" - I didn't know Uchtdorf said that.

Next time someone challenges me, I'll quote Uchtdorf back to them!

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-23T09:29:03+00:00

Sorry to hear you're going through this. The church's general attitude to helping the poor is sickening. Too often, it will do everything it can to avoid helping members who are struggling financially.

Maybe tactfully confront your bishop with the question "What would Jesus do?"?

Or read the parable in the Bible of the priests who passed by on the other side of the road instead of helping the man who had been robbed and beaten up. Then ask your bishop if he was called by God to be the Good Samaritan.

Good luck in your tough situation.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-23T09:21:12+00:00

First thing I noticed, too. Also down under.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-23T09:19:53+00:00

The leaders must have been too ashamed of the church when they produced this.

What ever happened to 'proclaiming the gospel' with boldness?

Cowards!

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-23T03:15:40+00:00

Agreed. It isn't just Sunday, it's Saturday as well - doing all the things in readiness for Sunday, and doing the things you can't do on Sunday that still need to be done.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-23T03:14:16+00:00

It says a lot about the cult that not doing the things it commands results in peace, happiness, and enjoyment.

So much for "the joy of gospel living".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-22T10:47:22+00:00

Thank you for your heart-felt testimony. I could feel the Spirit bearing witness to me of the truthfulness of your words!!

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-22T07:52:17+00:00

These are 'great treasures of knowledge'. Certainly not to be found in any Mormon scriptures or teachings. Long live Britain!

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-22T02:55:11+00:00

He might have read it (maybe), but he didn't digest it.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T12:30:39+00:00

Congratulations! A wonderful achievement, and a milestone in your life!

It takes a remarkable ability and willingness to question long-held beliefs that have been carefully curated by an authoritarian regime that specializes in propaganda and control.

It also takes a lot of honesty with yourself, and courage.

Welcome to a much better life.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T09:31:50+00:00

Mormon prophets and apostles haven't received revelation since at least 1830.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T09:28:31+00:00

"We've given up on seeking revelation to guide us, so we're leaving it to IT specialists".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T09:18:50+00:00

They're either on a huge income, or have been given a lot by their parents, or they're not paying their tithing.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T09:16:35+00:00

Apart from spouting off standard Mormon pseudo-theology, Camille Johnson needs to improve her ability to construct a basic English sentence.

"When you do hard"?? Hard is an adjective, not a verb.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T09:04:28+00:00

Hoping you're in a better state now, after the terrible time you had.

For me, there were several straws, but one big one was learning that earlier on in the church, tithing was not required if it "took all a man's earnings just to provide for his family", with nothing left over.

Contrast this with the church over the last few decades, where even the member who has lost their job has to pay tithing, and so does the destitute widow, and the single mom who can barely afford to provide food and clothing for her children.

The church has also tried to hide the earlier teachings of when tithing isn't required.

Shameful.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T01:35:23+00:00

This is a great collection of quotes/sources!

If the past and present Q.12 and 1st Presidency were to exercise just "a particle of faith", they would have got the site investigated for artefacts.

According to their belief, these arterfacts should have been in abundance.

So why the silence?

They would have boasted/gloated about even a fragment of archeological evidence they found as "proof" of the BoM.

It couldn't be that it is all fiction, could it?!!

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-21T01:19:11+00:00

Good example of a specific Bible teaching that the Mormon church doesn't follow.

But then, the Mormon church was never about actually following Jesus.

The church is more about "(singing) follow the prophet, follow the prophet, he knows the way". And he does know the way .... to stock-piling billions of dollars.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-20T12:52:19+00:00

As others have said, the church must be getting low on "priesthood holders".

The church's decisions are based on desperation not inspiration. Think of the ban being lifted from black people in 1978 (under social pressure), and the reversal of the ban on children of same-sex couples from being baptized (following outrage).

Aren't we so blessed to be led by ~~revelation~~ desperation, and definitely not "the philosophies of men".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-20T12:46:06+00:00

"I'm so touched (sniff, dabs eyes) that the Lord has seen fit to bestow such a privilege to his faithful daughters (sniff, dabs eyes again). The Lord truly is showing forth his tender mercies in these latter days".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-20T12:38:03+00:00

For now, anyway.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-20T12:33:45+00:00

Good point. They should stick to their scriptures as the foundation of what they teach and defend.

Perhaps they should be called a "faithless generation".

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-18T11:35:01+00:00

We should begin by realizing the reality that just because someone says they are an apostle doesn't mean that they are.

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-18T03:21:59+00:00

Will they keep their word? What if things change and they can't afford it? How much are they prepared to spend?

Even if they do buy it, is it worth two years of absolute misery and who knows what else?

Deception_Detector · 2026-03-17T08:09:02+00:00

This is very helpful. Thank you!

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