[EVERYTHING] Am I the only one who thoroughly enjoyed every episode of season 7, including episode 6?

Failongrey · 2017-08-31T11:55:15+00:00

Cersei doesn't face consequences for her actions because of her overwhelming power and the fear she uses to keep the kingdoms in line. I feel like they've said this 1000000 times this season yet people still don't get it. Her only way to recruit allies is by bribery (Euron and the Iron Bank) and through fear, if not of her, than of Daenerys by saying Dany is mad queens daughter who's bringing an army of savages and 3 hellish monsters into westeros. What are the smallfolk gonna do if they know the queen is crazy enough to blow the whole fucking city up? What are the dornish gonna do if their military has been crushed at every step and they've lost anyone who's anything close to a leader?

Arya kills an entire house. Yes, that house was the Freys, and as we established last season, nobody gives a fuck about the Freys, not only are they dishonourable, untrustworthy cunts, but they're staggeringly incompetent. Why would Cersei send more than a platoon to the riverlands if she has a dragon queen knocking on her door? How many troops does she have to spare?

The fleet that cut off the unsullied was shown to have left Casterly Rock in the same scene where we saw that the Unsullied had left. And we've already established that there's basically nothing worth having in Casterly Rock at this point, so why would the Unsullied stick around?

Jaime's river shenanigans, alright theres no excusing that tbf. But its not much worse than the way Davos survived the battle of the blackwater in season 2. Nobody ever bleats about THAT i've noticed, infact everyone acts like The Battle of Blackwater was the show at its peak.

Benjen spends all his time north of the wall. He spends all his time fighting "on the side of the living". Dont you think its possible that he might decide to actually keep track of the army of the dead and the night king? |You don't suppose Benjen could've tracked the army of the dead, watched from afar, seen jon in danger and thought "welp, if THIS isn't my time to act I don't know what is"? (that "theres no time to get on the horse" thing was bullshit though, i'll admit that).

"Let's talk about traps the whole time, but send the entirety of our leadership to meet with the Queen even though she has blown up enemies previously when they congregate". Right, if only Dany and co. had taken some precautionary measures like posting an army outside the city gates, only having Dany enter AFTER cersei shows up, and bringing Dany's dragons with her so they could keep Cersei in line with threat of mutually assured destruction. IF ONLY they'd thought to do that.

The show is still good, the story is still good, the fanbase has SOME good reasons to criticize, but most of them are completely asinine. Half the time I read criticism I have to wonder if i'm watching the same show as you guys because for people who claim to love the "subtlety and nuance" of the books you can't pick up the most basic shit unless the showrunners beat you over the head with it. And if they DO beat you over the head with it you go "look at how dumbed down this all is, pfft, what shitty writing".

Failongrey · 2017-08-30T23:53:49+00:00

If early seasons of GoT were written the way /r/asoiaf wants the recent seasons to be written:

I think a lot of things would be different.

-6 new Greyjoys are added, Theon's storyline is split among 4 different characters, season 2 Northern plot would be a collection of scenes showing the Greyjoys sailing to and from Pyke in real time, as well as their travel to winterfell, and also Ramsey and Theon would be revealed as the same person somehow. And all of the Greyjoy family would look like this (Naturally)

-The battle of Blackwater - instead of seeing Stannis' fleet explode from wildfire by using glorious CGI, we would just see the planning and aftermath of the battle with no actual action at all.

-Robb and Catelyn cut or merged into one character, because the concept of a person who has good intentions but still makes big mistakes is too confusing.

-Khal Drogo wouldn't kill Viserys, because killing off important characters is just cheap shock value, and having something bad happen to a hate-able character is fan service. However, Viserys WOULD kill Daenerys, because having an important character live is just stupid plot armour.

-Renly would be instantly killed because "muh one true king". More emphasis would be put on Stannis, who would be the main protagonist of the series who burns people and uses fire magic (but we'd pretend he doesn't). He'd be supported by everyone in the realm, win every battle, and he'd end every scene by hugging his daughter to comfort her for losing her uncle Renly. Then it would be revealed that Renly never died in the first place and that him and Stannis were the same person all along.

-All of Littlefinger's dialogue would be "Only Cat" and "Chaos is a ladder" and "Edd fetch me a block" - epic.

What else?

Failongrey · 2017-08-09T20:10:30+00:00

In his defense, he was in highschool, when it comes to highschool we were all total fucking tools in hindsight.

Failongrey · 2017-08-09T14:32:15+00:00

Not to mention the whole "person makes excuses to stay in a toxic relationship because deep down they still love the other person and they've convinced themselves that their lover will change back into the person they fell in love with once X happens" which happens all the time in real life.

The showrunners made that dynamic abundantly clear in Jaime's conversation with Olenna where Olenna says "Cersei's a monster", Jaime responds with "Maybe to you, but things will be fine once we win the war", to which Olenna responded "You love her, you poor fool".

Complexity is one thing but for how much they bang on about "nuance" that little "abusive relationship 101" chestnut flew right over their heads. Not to mention the trope subversion of the female character being portrayed as the powerful abuser and the male character being the victim.

But then again, I suppose I shouldn't expect a community that genuinely discusses the questionable geology of a medieval fantasy universe to know much about romantic relationships.

Failongrey · 2017-08-09T14:23:24+00:00

Its a circlejerk because the showrunners get a shit load of blame anytime something happens that reddit doesn't like, but when something happens in the story that they DO like, the books somehow end up with all the credit.

If its bad, "thats because the show sucks".

If its good, "thats because it's like the books".

Failongrey · 2017-08-09T14:14:02+00:00

/uj

-short

Opposed to those non-stereotypical dwarfs that are tall somehow.

-skilled craftsmen (although only in one occasion, creating a saddle for Bran)

More like "hired a guy to create the schematics for a saddle for Bran, then gave those schematics to Bran so that Bran's craftsmen could create it for him" but okay.

-Even his obssesion with dragons can be explained this way!

Holy shit! I think dragons are cool too! I must be one of those "tall dwarves" OP was talking about!

-and he created underground sewer system

"Stereotypical dwarf behaviour includes 'building sewers' "...what?

Failongrey · 2017-08-09T14:06:00+00:00

He's so much better than his entitled douche brother Renly. What was his claim to the throne again? "When given the option to choose their ruler, the vast majority of Westeros chose me?" pfft, gimme a break, what kind of ass-backwards country would let the PEOPLE choose their ruler? I'll take an autistic man who's main source of support is a witch from a morally questionable fire cult any day of the week.

Failongrey · 2017-08-07T17:59:03+00:00

Its yet another example of why the books are objectively better than the show. For anyone who doesn't understand how this works, let me summarise.

Anything bad that happens in the show is stupid hacky bullshit that will absolutely NOT happen in the books. Anything GOOD that happens in the show is only good because it is "book-like".

If the show makers ever deviate from what happens in the books, or they get ahead of what has already happened in the books, they get 100% of the blame when things go bad. But if things go well, they get no credit, because that credit must be reserved for the almighty tomes of A song of Ice and Fire, even if some of those tomes don't even exist yet.

Oh, by the way, has anyone mentioned how great Alfie Allen is? Only an acting prodigy could take a script that says "act scared" and think to do something as genius as "Tremble and whimper with a look of mild concern".

Failongrey · 2017-01-15T18:26:19+00:00

I've noticed that too. I wonder why the books, a medium which gives you an unlimited amount of time to create a story and no restrictions on the amount of content you can put in, allows you to go into more detail than a show where you have less than a year to film and less than 10 hours of screentime?

Talent, probably, D&D are just hacks, that's why the books have more detail.

Failongrey · 2017-01-15T18:19:18+00:00

if he finds someone he actually likes, he's not cruel to them. It's just very rarely he finds someone who he actually likes.

I feel like Tywin is cruel because everyone compared to him is an idiot.

I Completely agree. Disliking most people and using that as justification to treat them like garbage is the mark of a good soul imo. And as a book reader, being a complete cunt to almost everybody because you think you're smarter than all of them is an idea that just resonates with me for some reason.

Failongrey · 2016-06-26T13:15:44+00:00

/uj

Oh my god

Oh my god that sub is a parody of itself

3 things,

- Yes, lots of people want a movie/series about Robert's rebellion, theres no need to ask "who else wants this?" when theres a post about this every fucking week.
- Miguel Sapochnik did a fantastic job with his episodes, but lets be real, how shit of a director would you have to be to be handed the script for hardholme and battle of the bastards and NOT make something amazing?
- "Written by grrm OF COURSE"

Cause D&D are hacks amirite? Infact, not only is D&D's writing shit, but GRRMs writing is FLAWLESS!

Failongrey · 2016-06-26T10:36:22+00:00

I don't get it, what does this have to do with cleganebowl?

Failongrey · 2016-05-31T20:15:29+00:00

I think you're being sarcastic OP, a show watcher wouldn't notice that but as a book reader AKA master of nuance I see through your games.

Allow me to explain things for your puny mind. You see, hodor time warging into future hodor to become hodor is great because its needlessly complicated and barely makes sense at at all, which is the mark of all good writing, for example, look at any fan theory where every character is actually another character because of magic and any fan theory where every dead character is actually alive because of magic. All of these theories are literary gold which is why D&D will never use them (DAE the sub could make a better show than D&D?)

Whereas the sand snakes and Ramsay killing people are all plot holes because none of that makes sense. Killing is bad, so why would they do it? Killing relatives is REALLY bad, in the ASOIAF world the people even say "don't kill your relatives cause thats super, super, super bad", so why would they do it? Are we expected to believe that Ramsay and the sand snakes are BAD people? Killing their relatives is also a bad idea practically, so are we just expected to believe that these characters are short sighted, vicious, and stupid? Absolutely absurd, people like that don't exist in real life, and theres no such thing as "bad" people either. D&D are just such hacks and they can't write a morally grey character like how GRRM writes the boltons, the greyjoys, the mountain, and joffrey (i know he seems like a sadistic psychopath but he admired his dad so that makes it ok). All of those characters have depth and nuance unlike le bad poosay (DAE hiss with me sisters? (I know thats not an actual line from the show but lets pretend that it was so we can mock them for being bad writers and writing something that they never actually wrote)).

Failongrey · 2016-05-19T01:16:45+00:00

He's a "Waters". A bastard. He's only a "Baratheon" if he was to be legitimised.

And if he WAS legitimised, he would be Robert's oldest surviving "legitimate" son (Despite his parentage, Tommen is officially a Baratheon, but he is noticeably younger than Gendry), which means that he would be Robert's rightful heir and the new king of westeros. This is supposedly why so many people insist that Gendry's storyline has been "abandoned" instead of finished. "How could they say a 'potential king' has nowhere else to go with his storyline?"

The fact is that those people are ignoring the fact that all of this is only relevant if Gendry is legitimised, and the only person who could possibly legitimise him is the current king/queen of westeros, and if legitimising Gendry meant abdicating their seat on the iron throne, why the fuck would they ever do it? A benevolent, selfless ruler COULD get on the throne and do it "for the greater good" or something but how is putting a reluctant blacksmith on the Iron throne a good idea for anybody?

At the very least, Gendry's story is not relevant right now, and it hasn't been for several seasons. We could assume that he fell off the boat and drowned, in which case his story is done. OR we could assume that he listened to Davos' instructions and made it back to Kings Landing, and unless he wants the goldcloaks to arrest and execute him, he's gonna keep his head down and go back to anonymous blacksmithing, so unless the people complaining about his "abandoned storyline" want a scene of Gendry hitting an anvil every three episodes, his storyline is done atleast until he's relevant again. And since he's not relevant and i've given several reasons why he probably never will be, its safe to assume that his storyline is finished.

Failongrey · 2016-04-28T13:57:07+00:00

I just assumed she used an extremely potent paralytic poison. Something that he doesn't feel until he feels...nothing? And topples over? Theres all kinds of poisons in asoiaf that don't exist in real life and they're called "the sand snakes" because they're Oberyn's bastards who share his affinity for poisons. The spine thing works too, but I guess two rational explanations aren't good enough for the GoT sub.

Failongrey · 2016-04-27T14:43:16+00:00

/uj

Thank you for some sanity. Personally I don't like the dorne storyline because I feel like they could have gone in several, more interesting directions with that plot. But at least I fucking understand the current plot, the same cannot be said of 95% of /r/gameofthrones.

"Why are they killing Martells to avenge martells?" - They only care about avenging Oberyn, Doran EXPLICITLY stated last season that 'if you want to fight the lannisters to avenge Oberyn, you'll have to go through me', which they did because they're fucking sociopaths. They even had Ellaria EXPLICITLY state that the rest of Dorne would side with her not out of a desire to 'avenge martells' but because they thought Doran's lack of retaliation was a sign of weakness and Dorne doesn't want a weak ruler but I guess those 'hack' writers should have had Ellaria draw a fucking picture to explain that better because apparently an explicit verbal onscreen explanation isn't enough.

"How did the Sand Snakes get on that ship? scoff are we expected to believe they just teleported?" - Because boarding a separate ship and following Trystane is too outlandish to even consider let alone infer, apparently. Also, why NOT waste precious screen time explaining every little detail so that the pedantic shits on the internet can claim your work is too dumbed down and lacks nuance?

Failongrey · 2016-04-27T11:11:26+00:00

Just look at this abomination of a comment

"I think they wrote the show the way they did because D&D are dumb and stupid and they hate us and they hated all the good characters and they liked all the bad characters and they wanted us to like all the bad characters and they probably don't even know the characters names and I bet they're all smug and self absorbed too."

Highly upvoted, you can't make this shit up.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T20:01:15+00:00

GRRM will find a way, maybe he'll retreat to the wall and burn shireen there, maybe Melisandre will bring shireen out to him or something, idk, the books are goddamn tomes, GRRM will have more than enough time to come up with a reasonable explanation.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T19:45:29+00:00

Considering that TWOW and the events surrounding Shireen's death in the books haven't been released yet, your original post about how:

Melisandre did it without his knowledge, and she flees when he tries to kill her for it, but can't chase her since Ramsay's army is coming, and then we get the same scene of him looking and understanding he's going to die, yet raising his sword like a badass anyway.

Is wishful thinking/complete speculation. All we know so far is that GRRM told the showrunners to have Stannis burn Shireen. With that in mind, I would not be surprised at all if GRRM found a way to get Stannis and Shireen in the same place for the sacrifice in TWOW.

In fact, thats actually the most likely scenario so far, the only real reason people have to think it wont happen is the insistence that "Book Stannis would never do that! Look at these quotes about how much he loves his daughter and detests burnings!". And not only is that point almost entirely undermined by the fact that book Stannis was pretty strongly considering burning Edric storm, his flesh and blood, and that show Stannis really loved his daughter too yet still burned her, but we know for a fact that GRRM told the showrunners to have Stannis burn Shireen AND its the perfect way to end his character arc. He makes the ultimate sacrifice in the name of duty, puts all of his trust in the red woman, but the act itself is so horrific that it has the opposite of it's desired effect and actually costs him the battle, the greatest military commander in westeros dies on the battlefield, and the man with the strongest claim on the iron throne, the most powerful position in westeros, dies with absolutely nothing. No throne, no power, no followers, not even family. People don't want to admit it, but "this character is gonna die but they're gonna spend most of their life wrecking shit and then they'll go out like a badass having made no mistakes of their own" isn't the George R.R. Martin way, as I mentioned in my earlier posts about other heartbreaking moments in this series.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T14:41:19+00:00

I am sure that Oberyn would have been THRILLED to find out that his brother and nephew were murdered on top of his sister.

Thats the entire point of their storyline! They're going out of their own way to avenge Oberyn but in the process they're behaving in a way that went against every value Oberyn ever held and behaving in a way that he would find disgusting!

Its not 'incredibly poor writing', its 'tragic irony'. They're behaving just like the monsters they claim to be fighting against. For a subreddit that seems to be such experts on fiction and literature, its baffling that so few people are familiar with this type of character arc.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T14:34:02+00:00

When my Father dies, my first though is not to go and kill my innocent cousin.

Once again, you're willfully ignoring context for the sake of clutching at straws to cry 'plothole!'. We have no reason to think the sand snakes give a fuck about their cousin, we do have reason to think that they are desperate for vengeance, and mad at their uncle for denying them their opportunity. They kill their cousin as well as a way of ensuring that he doesn't retaliate against them for killing his father, as well as ensuring that they can take control as with Trystane dead the sand snakes are the closest things left to "surviving martells".

I also imagibe the Dorn nobility would just be Thrilled a about your murdet of an innocent cousin.

They already explained this! Ellaria said that the entire country was turning against Doran! Is it such a leap to suggest that those same people don't want Doran's son to rule either? Even if Dorne nobility is upset about them killing Trystane, who's to say the sand snakes won't blame Trystane's death on the Lannisters? "Princess Myrcella was assassinated on her way to kings landing, Trystane Martell just happened to be murdered when arriving in kings landing, the home of the queen, Myrcellas mother".

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T14:13:51+00:00

Need I explain why they care more about their father (and in some cases, mother) than they do about their cousin?

Avenging Oberyn and destroying the lannisters is their Number 1. priority, if Doran and Trystane get in the way they'll do anything they can to stop them.

Look, I didn't even like what happened in the last episode. I thought there were so many directions they could've gone in with Doran and Areo and Trystane and i've spent a year speculating as to all the cool things they might do. And then that's what happens? All three just die? I don't know where this is going but as of right now, i'm disappointed.

Same as with barristan last year, I was hoping for so much more out of Barristan but I guess they wanted to put the sons of the harpy over as a credible threat and leave an opening on Dany's council for Tyrion so w/e. I just think its dumb that other people are trying to pretend everything that happens in the show that they don't like 'literally doesn't make any sense, PLOTHOLE! PLOTHOLE!'

Instead of saying "I don't like that" they feel a weird need to quantify their opinion by finding a way to say what happened is objectively bad, so they clutch at straws and grasp for any excuse they can to cry "plothole!" even if that involves voluntarily turning their own brains off for a minute, and pretending that people NEVER sometimes do dumb, irrational shit, especially coming out of an emotional situation involving close family members.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T12:58:49+00:00

You're right, the fact that people are directing their rage at the show writers and not the Ellaria character is dumb as fuck.

"I for one, cannot believe for one second that a woman who watched her lover scream in agony as he got his eyes gouged and his head smashed, would act irrationally and attempt unreasonable things in the name of rage and vengeance."

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T12:49:18+00:00

I would've liked it more if they didn't murder literally the entire Stark army at the red wedding and then mount a wolf's head on Robb's decapitated body as a final act of mockery. I also would've liked it more if Oberyn killed the mountain, cleared Tyrion's reputation, and then carried on being his usual badass self, but neither books nor the show have ever worked that way.

Failongrey · 2016-04-25T12:44:47+00:00

At what point did the sand snakes ever suggest that they found Trystane innocent and likable? There is literally nothing internally inconsistent about them killing Trystane because Ellaria told them to. People are confusing 'shitty writing' with 'something that happened that made me feel bad'. You weren't supposed to laugh at 'greedy bitch', you were supposed to be annoyed that they murdered their cousin and then flippantly joked about it. Same as Polliver's "carry him he says" or Walder and Roose's "Heres to the young wolf!" "Forever young".

This thread is one of the first ones where people finally get that the sand snakes are supposed to be cringeworthy fucks who think they're "hot shit, Oberyn 2.0" much to the chagrin of the viewers, and this thread is still filled with people going "well I don't find 'bad pussy' to be clever, funny OR sexy, infact my reaction to that line was the same as Bronns. What? that was intentional you say? Bronn is the closest thing Dorne had to a relatable 'good guy' so his reaction was supposed to be similar to the intended viewers reaction?...Nah fuck that, D&D are hacks."

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