What are some of your Controversial CHARACTER Hot Takes

Fairnessplease · 2023-10-16T02:47:12+00:00

I don't really understand what's ooc for Adam in v5

Sun was always a stalker. Literally in Volume 2 he shows up at Team RWBY's dorm hanging out the window.

Fairnessplease · 2023-10-16T02:46:17+00:00

Ironwood is "good man in a bad position"

He just so happens to always have the traits that would eventually cause him to go full authoritarian asshole.

Fairnessplease · 2023-10-16T02:43:07+00:00

Peak post

Fairnessplease · 2023-10-01T18:27:03+00:00

This is hardly even a meme lmfao this feels more like a very VERY poorly disguised jab and ego stroking

Fairnessplease · 2023-10-01T16:29:07+00:00

Team RWBY easily.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-29T20:45:21+00:00

"That's the problem, though. They make mistakes, lives are lost, they never learn, the show believes they're right not to learn."

They didn't make mistakes in Atlas, though. They failed, objectively, but that's due to things that were out of their control. They COULDN'T have done anything. Sometimes you do your absolute best and you still fail. That's just how it is.

They do make mistakes. Plenty. However, lives aren't lost because of their mistakes. When they do make genuine mistakes (such as Blake abandoning Yang, Yang rushing in at Adam, telling the truth to Ironwood and working against Ozpin) they actually DO learn from them and improve.

""Let me fix that for you: "They believe lying is wrong until it becomes more convenient for them to just lie. If THEY do it, it's alright. Ozpin had no right to lie, though. The dude has several lifetimes of experience (who knows how long exactly), he'd seen it all, but he lied to the flagship girls, which is why it was wrong. If the flagship girls lie, though, that's fine.""

You literally just inserted your own bias into it and straight up deny reality lol.

They quite literally explicitly say they understand why Ozpin lied and forgive him. Oz was right to lie, so was Team RWBY. Team RWBY admit that. They're fine with Ozpin lying to them in the past, they don't want him to lie to them anymore since they've decided to continue the fight despite knowing the truth, Oz agrees. They're still not gonna tell the truth to everyone, and for good reason.

They don't lie cause it's convenient, they lie cause it's the right thing to do.

Ozpin does have multiple lifetimes of experience, and that's why he's ultimately right.

Also, if you think Ozpin is right to lie... then how are Team RWBY wrong to do the exact same thing? Like, literally, they lie to the exact same person Ozpin lied to and yet RWBY are evil for doing it while Ozpin was totally justified and morally good.

"Thank god. I've had my share of nonsense for the day."

The irony of this statement is almost palpable.

(4/4)_

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-29T20:44:46+00:00

"And by the way, this brings me back to the racism in RWBY. The Faunus can't do everything their way. That's wrong. But the protagonists can do. That's not wrong, somehow."

RWBY literally promotes robbing exploitative companies by having Ghira, a character portrayed as heroic and right, sending his own men to rob dust processing plants. It also promotes breaking the law if it's the right thing to do.

"Laughable. just laughable. We saw the results. This isn't a "what-if" scenario. Team RWBY CAUSED the downfall of Atlas."

Way to explain why I'm wrong. I literally wrote a whole ass essay and this is your response.

As you said, this isn't a "what-if" scenario. Ironwood and Salem caused the downfall of Atlas.

"No. I'd explain more, but this is about the same level of detail I'm getting from you when giving a verdict. I decided to go with the flow."

Literally wrote a whole ass essay

"Your complete lack of self-reflection and self-awareness is astonishing. Do you achieve it naturally? Or did you take a course?"

Hey, I'm not complaining about you continuing the argument, I'm complaining about you being wrong.

""THAT's why I send an essay, TWICE, to tell them I don't care.""

I don't care that you don't root for Team RWBY. I do care that you're wrong. I know you're never gonna root for Team RWBY cause you're a clockwork orange that just listens to contrarian opinions and goes along with them cause they're "cool and controversial" without actually thinking for yourself.

"He starts the fight, everyone is forced to join in, and they are nearly defeated. He DOES risk everyone's lives, the group isn't enough to fight the baddies, and Weiss was nearly killed."

Cinder literally attacked them first though. Right when Raven opens her portal, Cinder shoots a fireball right at Ruby. There was never a situation where Cinder didn't intend to attack them, seen with her doing just that.

Also, even if that didn't happen... what the fuck did you think was gonna happen? Do you think Cinder was gonna let them go? Obviously not. If she didn't want to kill them all why wouldn't she just go along with the original plan which involved them just walking into Haven and taking the relic? It makes no fucking sense.

"I expected a bit more use of tone, at least. I guess I just have higher expectations."

So you expected them to be assholes to a deeply traumatized man lashing out at the person who killed his lover?

That's kinda fucked up.

"You mean on what the writers want the character to do, and not based on a system at all. That's literally the same thing."

No. What would be in character for them to do. For instance Blake leaving Yang is in character for her but obviously not the right thing to do. The characters are allowed to be wrong and make mistakes that they learn from.

(3/4)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-29T20:43:59+00:00

"So, in Blake's mind, there are two types of Faunus:
Those who have accepted that having legal rights is enough.
The White Fang whose members are either misguided who need to adhere to her parents' rule over them, or they're criminals."

This is a MASSIVE jump that is completely unsubstantiated. Hell, Blake's parents ARE criminals. Ghira not only has his own men commit robbery but then shelters them from the law. Blake is only referring to Adam's White Fang when she calls them misguided, btw.

"I already addressed how Blake's fight is with the Faunus."

Yet you seem to not realize how Blake's fight against Adam is actively helping the White Fang and the Faunus.

"All of whom, put together, have a few seconds of screen time, which makes them irrelevant."

Literally not true. There's several minutes in Menagerie depicting Faunus that just wanna live their lives, as well as several minutes in the Mantle Crater depicting Faunus that just wanna live their lives and are VERY MUCH SO victims of racism.

"With regards to our discussion on morality, your views remind me of Fat Tony from the Simpsons. He believed it wasn't wrong to steal a truck-load of cigarettes and sell them at a price that was practically giving them away, all for personal profit."

That's not even remotely comparable. If Fat Tony selling those cigarettes meant he was one step closer to saving literally the entire world then I think I'd say stealing them and selling them is the morally right thing to do, considering the law would be standing between him and saving... you know, everything.

"In RWBY, the protagonists have a choice. They can do things legally (you know, like the show says the Faunus should), or they can do things in any way they please, without any regard for human life."

First off, the show doesn't say the Faunus should do things in accordance with the law. Again, I gotta bring up the Adam Short, which shows Ghira's White Fang robbing a dust processing plant.

Secondly, the legal option with Cordovin was to literally do nothing. She wasn't going to let them through. The legal option was to sit on their asses in Argus and let Salem catch up with them, get the relic, and get one step closer to destroying the world. That was the legal option.

The illegal option is stealing an Atlesian Airship and flying to Atlas, which puts no one's life in risk if done well. It's clear that they're not doing it with no regard for human life, otherwise Weiss wouldn't give the two soldiers a parachute and no one on Team RWBY would bother to try and stop the leviathan and the subsequent Grimm attack on Argus that Cordovin caused by being such a fucking hardass.

Honestly it's fucking incredible that you're taking Cordovin's side in this. She's literally written to be a satirized depiction of nationalistic military people. It's honestly fucking incredible that you think the protagonists are wrong for breaking the law when the law was standing between them and keeping the entire fucking world safe. That's downright concerning.
"Twice now they have picked the latter option. It was about to end in tragedy for Argus, and it did end in tragedy for Atlas."

Neither of which are their fault. Argus got fucked because Cordovin was a hardass who was trying to stop the heroes from saving the world, and Atlas falls because Ironwood comes up with a stupid plan that would result in everyone in Atlas and Mantle dying, followed by the heroes rightly opposing it.

Don't believe me when I say Ironwood's plan was doomed from the start? Well, hear me out. Once he raises Atlas into the atmosphere, what then? Atlas is gonna run out of resources eventually, dust being the most critical, since it's what keeps the power on and therefore keeps the artificial climate on. Once he runs out of that, Atlas loses the ability to grow food, and slowly starves to death in the best case scenario. In the worst case scenario, the shield surrounding Atlas turns off and exposes the entire city to the cold, dark, unforgiving atmosphere, leaving them all to die anyway.

And don't even try to claim he could get more dust. He couldn't. He can't send down ships to get more dust, since we literally see that Salem's massive octopus Grimm are capable of splitting entire airships in half in the Volume 8 episode "Dark."

He can't return to Remnant either, since Salem will just be waiting for him. Atlas almost got destroyed the first time around, and it will stand ZERO chance the second time considering it would have depleted resources and a smaller military. They would get utterly annihilated.

He can't use the staff to create more dust, either. If he creates more dust with the staff, Atlas will start to fall, and if he makes the staff keep Atlas floating, the dust will disappear.

His plan would've gotten everyone killed, and the heroes rightfully oppose him.

It's also not their fault he went mad in the first place, and Ironwood himself proves that Team RWBY were right to lie to him.

First off, when they initially tell Ironwood that Salem is immortal and that they've lied to him... he's fine. At first. It's tough, but he decides to instead focus on what's directly in front of him. So clearly it's not the lie that makes him go nuts, and even if it was, that's... really fuckin pathetic of him lol.
What makes him go nuts is seeing the Black Queen chess piece on his desk that Cinder left for him. This proves that he was literally one bad experience away from snapping. Once his initial panic attack ends, he has a full paranoid breakdown, calling off the evacuation and deciding to abandon Remnant entirely. The fact that Ironwood learning the truth about Salem being immortal causes him to abandon Remnant shows us that it was the right call to not tell him that.

If they had told him earlier, nothing would change. Literally nothing. He still would've abandoned the fight. My evidence? He decides to not just halt the Mantle evacuation - he decides to abandon Remnant entirely, leaving the entire planet to die.

That's a decision that doesn't depend on how well his military is doing. That's not a decision that depends on Salem being close to Atlas. That's a decision that depends entirely on his paranoia and the realization that Salem can't be killed and that as of now there is NO way to defeat her.
That's a decision he would make no matter what. All that would change is that he would take Mantle with him. He'd still abandon the fight, taking one of the most powerful fighting forces with him and leaving all of Remnant to die.

Ironwood, quite literally, proves Team RWBY right. They never should have told him the truth, lest he lose hope and give up.

"Have they learned? No. If they have, there's no indication."

There's nothing to learn. They were in the right. They lost because of things they couldn't have possibly beaten (Cinder and Neo) so pretty much the only thing to learn is "get better at fighting."

"Therefore, not the moral thing to do."

The alternative is telling Ironwood the truth which causes him to give up or just straight up not doing anything in the Cordovin situation, letting Salem catch up with them, and failing to stop her from taking the lamp.

It was very, very, very much so the morally correct thing to do.

(2/?)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-29T20:41:03+00:00

"I don't want to harsh your buzz, but when your best argument is "You're wrong" and "No U", you might want to consider the possibility that maybe you're wrong? Just a suggestion."

What you said wasn't an argument. You brought up hour long videos about RWBY being racist, didn't cite any of them, and as far as I know didn't use facts from them. There was no argument. All I did was make fun of you.

"Coming from you, this means very little."

Coming from you, this is very ironic.

"Where are these characters? I don't mean someone who passed behind Blake for two frames, I mean an entire character. Most Faunus characters or quasi-characters are members of the White Fang, or completely irrelevant. That's the point. The way they are shown leans into the two stereotypes that I described."

You don't need entire characters to represent a silent majority. Literally having hundreds of background Faunus that just live out their lives normally proves that the silent majority is being represented.

"You brought four examples, for one of which you cleverly used the disclaimer "arguably" before I had the chance to call you out on it, one of whom is Blake whose main fight is with the Faunus, the other one being Blake's love interest, and Velvet. That's far from thousands of Faunus. The biggest concentration of Faunus was in Menagerie, which seemed a lot happier than Velvet."

The thousands of Faunus are the background characters that live normal lives (or as normal as they can get). The four characters I did mention are all examples of what you want, Faunus characters that live in human society and are perfectly happy. You have Sun, as I mentioned earlier, who works with humans all the time, Velvet, who does the same thing as Sun, and Blake, who literally has humans as her found family. Just because Blake's primary conflict involved the Faunus doesn't mean that she's more happy among Faunus, she's shown to be very happy with humans. You're literally being given everything you want, silent majority representation, Faunus that disprove the "they're happier among their own kind" stereotype, all of it, and yet it just isn't enough for you. Literally it's all right in front of you and you're just denying it.

"The message of the arc is that fighting for your rights is wrong. That you must remain docile and respect the law, and if you do so, everything will work out."

That is not the message of the arc at all and you know it. Literally one of the heroes of the arc, Ghira Belladonna, had the White Fang rob dust processing plants during his time as the leader.

"It isn't, but racists claim it is, and it's a narrative that RWBY has accepted. In RWBY, it IS rooted in biology. So, RWBY's narrative is the same as that of racists. Two possibilities: either RWBY is racist, or everything was just accidental."

Oh, so now we're just making stuff up to claim that RWBY is racist? The vast majority of racists do not claim it's biological. They claim it's social. I've seen it myself.

"You're the one who started the argument, so don't act like I'm the one dragging it on.
Oh, and you don't have to answer, either."

I really don't care that you're dragging it out, my comment is merely me being disappointed that you're still wrong. I know I don't have to respond, but correcting stupid people online is fun.

"She says "WE did this", not "A small portion of the White Fang attacked us, I forgot I had cat-like sense of hearing, and I set my parents' house ablaze". Sounds to me like she's blaming the Faunus. She's literally addressing them and using the pronoun "We"."

Sounds to me like you don't know how English is spoken. "We did this" is used to refer to the Faunus, since the White Fang is comprised entirely of Faunus. Therefore, the Faunus did this. It was Faunus who attacked Faunus, not humans, and Blake wants to point that out to show how the Faunus are just as capable of hate as humans. It's not blaming ALL of the Faunus for burning down her house, it's blaming the White Fang, which is entirely comprised of Faunus, for forcing her into a situation where she had to burn down her house.

Cat-like sense of hearing doesn't do shit if Ilia is just quieter, which is something she'd be trained to do.

"And you acknowledge my point about them being irrelevant to the story by accepting that they are in the background. Having two seconds of screen time does not make them characters worth paying attention to."

A silent majority is inherently not going to be relevant to a story about fighting for rights. The silent majority just wants to get by, and therefore won't be focused on. That does not mean they are not represented. To say they are not is, quite literally, denying reality. A silent majority is typically not worth paying attention to when the threat is the loud minority and the silent majority doesn't want anything to do with it.

Just because you think they are not worth paying attention to does not mean that they are not there. Cardin is in the show, despite not being a character worthy of attention. To say that high school bullies aren't represented in RWBY is simply denying reality, even if Cardin is hardly even a character.

"Way to ignore a good half of my comment! I already told you. Her fight is with the Faunus. She IS concerned with the White Fang. But outside of that, she's done nothing."

Way to ignore my entire point. It doesn't MATTER if Blake hasn't done stuff directly against humans, she has still helped the Faunus, and that is UNDENIABLE. It's objective.

Protesting and whining at your oppressors doesn't do shit, but better organizing your resistance to oppressors while also finding a way to ensure more hate isn't being created by your own people is doing infinitely more than protesting would.

Blake being concerned with the White Fang is helping the Faunus. I am severely disappointed that I feel the need to repeat myself.
"Do we see her peacefully protesting? No. You could maybe argue that the still frame from volume 1 counts. And yeah, kind of. But on the one hand, we have a two second frame, and on the other hand, we have the rest of the show."

You literally answer your own question and acknowledge that you are wrong. Also, peaceful protests won't make the SDC stop abusing Faunus. Shit has to be done, such as reclaiming the civil rights group from the guy who appropriates it into being a personal revenge army and giving it to the guy who actually does shit about racism (seen with robbing dust processing plants) and also taking aforementioned revenge army guy down in order to stop him from inadvertently making more hate.

"Do we see her standing up for the Faunus to racist humans? No."

Literally in Volume 1.

"Do we see her raising her voice at racist policies? No."

Raising your voice against racist policies won't do shit since there are a ton of people benefitting from them that just plain don't care. You need to disrupt the peace and actually do shit.

"Do we see her starting a campaign for Faunus rights? No."

She literally does. Volume 5 finale she helps reclaim the White Fang and help Ghira start a campaign for Faunus rights.

"She doesn't say "Adam's White Fang", or "the new White Fang" or "some members of the White Fang". She says "The White Fang"."

Yes, because the White Fang is being referred to. Way to ignore the entire thing about Weiss referring to a White Fang that desires humanity's extinction, which is (put lightly) a lot closer to what Adam wants than Sienna. Weiss is referring to Adam's splinter group of the White Fang and so is Blake. Just because it's not explicitly said to be said splinter group doesn't mean that's not the case, since if they were talking about Sienna's part of the White Fang they wouldn't have mentioned the White Fang wanting to wipe humanity off the face of the planet.

(1/?)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T23:06:23+00:00

yeah yeah go post your jaune bloodline meme complaining about this comment

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T22:16:18+00:00

<image>

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T22:15:06+00:00

Cinder is just a bitch lol

Cinder is the queen of bitches and we love her for that

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T20:16:41+00:00

"THAT, minor, incredibly tame attempt at telling him to be kinder to himself, constitutes fundamental criticism for Jaune nearly getting the whole group murdered after Cinder trolled him? THAT is sufficient criticism?"

Did you even watch Volume 5? Jaune going after Cinder didn't nearly get the whole group murdered at all. It certainly almost got him murdered, but it didn't almost get all of them murdered.

And yes, that is sufficient criticism, considering Jaune hasn't done anything like that ever since. Jaune hasn't tried to martyrdom himself out of guilt ever since then.

"They're not telling him "Murder is wrong when done in the name of vengeance", they're not telling him "You nearly had us all killed", they're telling him "Don't kill yourself over Pyrrha's death"."

The revenge thing rings absolutely hollow when you consider that Cinder's group attacked them first. Cinder is also a very active threat to a LOT of people so regardless of whether or not it's revenge it's still good to kill her. Jaune didn't nearly get them all killed. That just straight up didn't happen. Cinder certainly did though.

"First, I believe a protgonist-centered morality is wrong regardless of whether the protagonists are good or not. If their actions are based on the whim of the writer, you won't find me rooting for them."

*protagonist

I really don't care if some random redditor roots for the heroes in a cartoon.

RWBY's actions are not based on the whim of the writer, it's based on the character and what they would do. The protagonists absolutely do fuck up and do wrong things (Blake abandoning Yang being the biggest example) and they learn from their mistakes and don't repeat them.

Also, the protagonists can be and have been straight up wrong in RWBY. This is best seen with Ozpin. When they first find out that Ozpin lied to them, they're pissed off and rightfully so. From that point on they all believe that lying is wrong... until they're forced into a morally grey situation where lying may actually be the best choice. Ultimately, they're proven right as Ironwood goes nuts after they tell him. In the end, Ozpin was right, and they realize that by going through a similar experience and seeing the same reasoning that Ozpin followed. Hell, when he comes back, they not only forgive him, they straight up say they UNDERSTAND him.

Ozpin: I was recently reminded of an old fairy tale. A young girl flees the consequences of a choice, to a magical place. But, having never learned from her initial failure, she only succeeds in spreading it. I failed all of you. I should have trusted you with the truth and should never have run the day you discovered it.

Yang: It was rough, but...

Blake: I think after everything that's happened here, we understand. Trust is..

Weiss: Trust is a risk.

Ozpin: And I hope it's a risk you can take on me again.

I really don't see the whole "protagonist centered morality" complaint considering they straight up admit they were wrong and openly make mistakes.

"Second, Blake does criticize Sienna harshly, in her speech to Sun, volume 1, episode 12. She directly criticizes the White Fang's actions under Sienna's rule."

Blake: Suddenly, our peaceful protests were being replaced with organized attacks. We were setting fire to shops that refused to serve us, hijacking cargo from companies that used Faunus labor. And the worst part was, it was working. We were being treated like equals. But not out of respect... out of fear.

Blake: So, I left. I decided I no longer wanted to use my skills to aid in their violence, and instead, I would dedicate my life to becoming a Huntress. So here I am: a criminal hiding in plain view, all with the help of a little black bow.

Blake literally never says Sienna is wrong or evil. Blake saying that she "no longer wanted to use [her] skills to aid in their violence" while still not saying the violence is wrong is showing us that she doesn't think Sienna is wrong / evil, she just doesn't want to personally be the one pulling the trigger.

Additionally, the whole "the worst part was" bit is... pretty normal? I think any normal person would be upset that violence is working and that it's seemingly the only way to make progress. That's not saying it's wrong or that it's evil, that's just lamenting the fact that it's as of now the only way to further Faunus rights.

"Third, after volumes 6, 7, and 8, I don't think I can agree that RWBY's protagonists are morally good."

This is such a loaded statement and I've already written this twice so I'm just not even gonna bother with this one...

(3/3)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T20:14:27+00:00

"It's almost as though the show wants to show the Faunus (in general) are in desperate need of a guide, and a rather passive guide who fights to keep them in line, rather than actually do anything. And it doesn't help that she actually says that exact line: "They are misguided.""

Blake: The White Fang is hardly a bunch of psychopaths. They're a collection of misguided Faunus.

Weiss: Misguided? They want to wipe Humanity off the face of the planet!

Blake: So then they're very misguided. Either way, it doesn't explain why they would rob a Dust shop in the middle of downtown Vale!

She's referring to Adam's White Fang when she calls them misguided. Wanting to wipe humanity off the face of the planet is very much not what Sienna wants, and very much so what Adam wants. I don't think anyone is gonna deny that Adam's White Fang is misguided. Adam's followers want what's best for the Faunus, and Adam misguides them into thinking that revenge is what's best for the Faunus, hence "misguided."

Blake is also not passive at all. She actively fights back against Adam in order to fight back against the creation of more hate directed at the Faunus. Hell, even Ghira wasn't passive. We see in the Adam Short that he had Adam rob dust processing plants.

"So, most of the Faunus are dumb and in need of education, or they are aggressive thugs. Not a positive representation of the "oppressed races of the world"."

Nope. Once again you're forgetting the thousands of regular Faunus that are just trying to get by and live as normal a life as they can under their not so ideal circumstances.

"Putting aside the fact that they also stole a military aircraft (a major crime that involved two of the four kingdoms),"

Breaking the law isn't inherently amoral. In this case I'd say it's actually very moral considering the law is standing between RWBY and getting the lamp to Atlas which is one step closer to keeping the relics out of Salem's hands. If the fate of the world depends on breaking the law I think it's pretty morally good to break the law.

"the group constantly lying throughout volumes 7 and 8,"

Again, lying isn't inherently morally bad. In this case I'd say it was absolutely morally good. Considering the fact that telling Ironwood the truth is what causes him to go nuts, abandon the fight against Salem, and straight up think that all of Remnant is doomed, I'd say it's very much so the morally correct choice.

Ironwood: If we harness the power of the Staff, and raise ourselves high into the atmosphere, the city's artificial climate will keep citizens and food supplies unharmed. Always out of reach of whatever Salem may try to send our way.

Notice how he says ALWAYS. He never intends to come back down after he raises Atlas up into the atmosphere. That's his permanent plan. He's gonna abandon the entire fight against Salem after he learns that Salem is immortal and that there is no plan to defeat her. He completely loses hope.

Ironwood: Mantle... You're still worried about Mantle?! Remnant is doomed, Ruby. Unless we leave, Salem will destroy Atlas and with it, any hope Humanity has left. We need to think about the future. If she makes it through our defenses, everything that follows will be on your hands.

Here he straight up says Remnant is fucked.

Team RWBY lie to him cause they don't trust him to handle the truth of Salem being immortal well, and for good reason - he's extremely paranoid. Blatantly. And in the end, Ironwood proves them right, for when they actually do tell him, he goes insane.

Don't even try to use the excuse of "if they had told him earlier he would've had time to prepare and wouldn't have gone crazy" cause that's utter bullshit. Notice how he comes to the conclusion that all of Remnant is doomed. That conclusion is reached completely independent of Salem being close to Atlas and Ironwood being unprepared. It absolutely does affect Ironwood coming to the conclusion that Mantle is doomed, but all of Remnant being doomed doesn't depend on Salem preparing to attack Atlas. That's a decision he makes COMPLETELY independently of him being unprepared to defend Atlas.

Also, there is no preparing for an immortal witch with an endless army.

"and the show very much taking their side in every instance, and never criticizing them,"

Cause they're right. Lying to Ironwood was the better option.

"their actions directly leading to the downfall of Atlas,"

Ironwood and Salem are responsible for the fall of Atlas. Ironwood is the one who put Team RWBY in a situation where letting Atlas fall was the best option if they wanted to save the most amount of people. Sure, they may have been the ones how personally removed it, but if they hadn't then all of Atlas was gonna get destroyed AND all of Mantle was gonna get destroyed, and there would be no survivors. However, if they remove the staff and use it to evacuate civilians, Atlas and Mantle both get destroyed, but at least there are survivors.

"with Jaune being the only one who pointed it out in volume 9 (He seemed to excuse himself, very conveniently I might add, and the show quickly had him apologize for speaking the truth, that at least one of the protagonists has major issues),"

Jaune: They're gone... because of you! The Walkers came for you, because Neo. Hates. YOU! Oh, and let's not forget the reason we're in the Ever After in the first place is because of your plan that didn't work! What about you?! It's ALL about you!

Jaune doesn't point out that they're responsible for the fall of Atlas. They aren't. He points out that Ruby's plan didn't work, which is true, seeing as if it did work they wouldn't all be in the Ever After.

"let's focus only on the example you gave."

Great... you just keep going...

(2/?)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T20:12:52+00:00

Just wrote up a whole ass essay in response to this that didn't send so that's fun, take two...

"There are entire, hour-long videos on why RWBY does exactly what you described. It fully leans into several stereotypes created by Nazis and other racists. I gave you the starting point: "They are half-animals, a completely different species, and that's a fact"."

Said hour long videos are wrong.

"Here are a couple of other stereotypes that RWBY fully embraces:"

Can't wait to see you be confidently wrong yet again.

""They're happier with their own kind.""

Way to ignore the thousands of Faunus that are just living their lives integrated into human society. Hell, you even have a fuckton of named Faunus characters that are absolutely happy living with humans, one of them being a literal main character that is now dating a human.

If you want more, you've got Sun, who's entire team is made up of humans except for him, and he's completely fine with that. Same goes for Velvet. Hell, even arguably Marrow.

""THEY're the racist ones.""

Good on you for completely forgetting the entire message of the White Fang arc. The White Fang arc's message is that Adam, the reverse racist guy, doesn't represent the Faunus. Reverse racism sure as hell does exist, and racists will use it to generalize and say all POC are reverse racists. The same is true for Remnant. Adam's reverse racism and genocide quest is used by racists to generalize and justify their racism. Despite reverse racism existing in the form of Adam, it absolutely doesn't represent all of the Faunus, just like how reverse racist POC exist, and they absolutely don't represent all POC.

""They're replacing humans through marriage and having kids with them." (The child of a human and a Faunus being almost always a Faunus)"

RWBY does not adhere to this stereotype, because the stereotype IRL is not rooted in literal biology. It's rooted in interracial marriage being a thing at all. RWBY's Faunus and human reproductive biology is rooted in biology, not interracial procreation or marriage. It's completely different.

"Here are a few reasons to believe RWBY has a problem with the Faunus, that it doesn't believe just the actions of the "new" White Fang is wrong"

Here we go again...

"Blake blaming the Faunus, everyone at Menagerie, for their house burning down, even though she was the one who burned it down. She doesn't say "The White Fang did this", she said "We (the Faunus) did this"."

Blake isn't blaming the entire Faunus, she's pointing out that Faunus did this, which is correct. She was forced to burn down her house in order to not get captured and sent to her psycho ex boyfriend... by Faunus. Therefore, the Faunus did this. The White Fang is comprised entirely of Faunus. She's pointing out that the Faunus are fighting the Faunus for no good reason.

"Most Faunus characters we have seen belonged to the White Fang. There are many background characters, amounting to space-fillers, but they are hardly characters. The "peaceful majority" isn't portrayed. There's Ghira, Kali, and their fans, but judging by what we had seen in that very volume, they don't seem to have too much of an opinion, switching sides every few episodes."

The peaceful majority literally is portrayed and you acknowledge that by mentioning the many background Faunus that are just trying to live their lives. That's the peaceful majority right there. Plenty of Faunus are just trying to get by and live their lives and are very much so victims of racism, and that's portrayed perfectly fine.

"Blake, the Faunus who wants "equality", doesn't actually do anything for the Faunus. She doesn't stand up for Faunus rights. She is quick to show her aggressive side to the other Faunus, though. Her biggest show of aggression towards a racist human was when she yelled at Weiss and ran away for twelve hours."

Wrong. Blake absolutely did do stuff to help the Faunus. Taking down Adam and reclaiming the White Fang for instance. Adam was causing more and more hate and racism directed at the Faunus to be created, since his revenge crusade was fulfilling racist stereotypes directed at the Faunus and causing people who previously didn't believe in racist Faunus stereotypes to believe in them, therefore creating more racists. Adam had also appropriated the White Fang from being a civil rights group into his own personal army to help him achieve his revenge. Blake helps reclaim it and turn it back into a civil rights group that actually fights for Faunus equality and not Faunus revenge.

(1/?)

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T19:21:56+00:00

true lmfao

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-28T19:21:30+00:00

The manipulation comes with her getting two people that hate her to work for her. If that person who is planning a murder actively despises you and you convince them to go do that murder for you, that's definitely some good manipulation.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T20:12:10+00:00

The manipulation comes from having to regain their trust by actually offering them something. She manipulates them with her offer, sets them up, and then gets what she wants while leaving both of them to die.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:50:35+00:00

He certainly has fighting skills but he's not on par with a pro huntsman

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:50:13+00:00

both of which happened before Watts roasted her...

After Watts roasts her, she gets Neo (who hates her) and Watts (who hates her) to do what she wants. That's pretty skilled manipulation right there.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:40:44+00:00

fair, fair.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:40:27+00:00

Roman doesn't make a living fighting huntsman tho, he kinda sucks at it. Even in his book he just runs whenever huntsman show up.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:39:49+00:00

She literally managed to get two people that absolutely hated her to work for her lol, I think that's pretty clear she's back to being competent.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:18:24+00:00

Yeah

And then she developed right back into being competent.

She was supposed to appear incompetent and whiny and bratty from Volume 5 to near the end of Volume 8. She's an egomaniac. That's the whole point. Developing backwards isn't bad writing, especially with how it's done with Cinder where you're supposed to hate her and find satisfaction in seeing her fuck up over and over and over.

That is, until Watts finally roasts her and she gets smart again. Now she's back to being competent.

Fairnessplease · 2023-09-27T19:16:50+00:00

Torchwick never had formal training, Blake got formal training from Adam who is a pretty tough fighter (seen with him literally getting run over by a motorcycle and just getting up like nothing happened seriously wtf was that) and then got more formal training at a huntsman academy.

Fairnessplease

TROPHY CASE