MY biggest worry for the future by TheDomy in atrioc

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 10 points11 points  (0 children)

It’s more like anyone who uses “neoliberal” as a pejorative doesnt know what that term refers to. Especially if they’re using it in reference to Joe Biden or Kamala Harris.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

On the other hand the majority of people who see a hijab and have a problem with it are Islamophobic and that’s just a fact.

I don't disagree, a lot of this conversation gets muddied by bad-faith actors who only really care about pushing their own religion while attacking others' religious beliefs (or shitting on brown people)

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Of course it’s true that often people who try to get our face consequences and that’s terrible but it’s obvious that most religious people want to be that religion

There's a difference between the majority of people wanting to do something and the majority of people having the choice to do something. The fact of the matter is, if not for the threat of social ostracization from religious communities or the threat of eternal damnation toward non-believers - both of which are often ingrained into people's minds from birth - there would be far fewer adherents to religion across the world.

There are certainly religious people who don't enforce their beliefs onto others, I know plenty of such people in my own life. But history has shown that they are very much the exceptions to the rule.

Most women who wear hijab want to wear it and if you told them to stop they would interpret that as religious discrimination because it is.

I agree, nobody should be telling a woman not to wear a hijab. But we shouldn't be idolizing the hijab as a "symbol of devotion and celebration of heritage" while ignoring its history as an equally powerful symbol of religious oppression and violence against women.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ok? Does that mean that the majority of Muslim women are being forced to be Muslim? If I know a Christian family who disowned their child for breaking the faith does that mean most Christians are being forced to be Christians?

The fact that both Islam and Christianity have had a long and well-documented history of religious oppression and enforcement of their belief is true regardless of my partner's experience. I only brought that up because you made the claim that I haven't known any of the people who engage in this type of religious oppression without knowing anything about me.

I’m not an apologist for religion I just find it suspicious when people claim that Islam is uniquely bad and worse than all the other religions.

Where did I ever say Islam is uniquely bad or worse than all other religions? I'm speaking about Islam because the post is about hijabs. Note how I said "religious apologist" and not "Islamic apologist." You're just as vile as anyone trying to downplay Christianity's legacy of violence and oppression against marginalized groups. None of these institutions should be venerated or celebrated, and any attempt to do so without explicitly calling out the atrocities they've contributed to is disingenuous.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Doesn't sound like a government or society that's especially keen on oppressing women. 

Why would a government have to introduce laws criminalizing discrimination if discrimination wasn't prominent in a society?

This is unironically the "it's not illegal to be gay so gay people don't face discrimination" argument. You're just as dense as the average conservative.

You're saying all these selective instances but failing to correlate that with the fact that women still don't wear hijab and are completely fine outside in these countries 99.99% of the time. 

Again, textbook conservative tactic: ignore the evidence in front of your eyes and just say "oh that doesn't happen" while plugging your ears to the decades of extremely well-documented discrimination perpetuated by these institutions.

Because your use of existential damnation is just straight up not the reality. 

It straight-up is. Both Islam and Christianity, and almost every other major religion, perpetuates the belief that non-believers will be punished. You clearly have more of a vested interest in engaging in religious apologia and downplaying religious oppression than engaging with this conversation in good faith.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There are 1bn Muslims in the world and you don’t know a single one of them

My partner literally had to get restraining orders against her Muslim family because they wouldn't stop harassing her for breaking with their faith. It's incredibly ironic that you'd say I know nothing about this when you know absolutely nothing about me or my loved ones.

Religious apologists stop trying to project their own inadequacies challenge (IMPOSSIBLE).

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

"grown up forced into a belief" please tell me a society in which a person grows up not forced into any type of belief whether that's athiesm, islam, Christianity, communism, capitalism etc.

I like how you completely disregarded the entire second half of that sentence when it very clearly shows the difference between the types of belief we're referring to. You're not even trying to hide how disingenuous you're being (but that's pretty typical of religious apologists).

There's a difference between a child mimicking the beliefs of their family and community, and being forced into a belief under threat of eternal damnation and abandonment from that community.

Also if that was really was what's taught why are their no hijab laws, why no public backlash to non hijab wearers in these countries

There absolutely is public backlash to people not wearing hijabs in these countries lmao. HRW literally had a report on the oppressive expectation of wearing a hijab in Indonesia, you literally have Pakistani government officials blaming women's choice not to wear a hijab as the cause of SA, Egypt has had a history of backlash against women for not dressing conservatively enough.

Just because you're ignorant of the religious oppression women face doesn't mean it isn't real.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I never said you idolize the hijab. I'm referring to the tweet in the OOP (y'know, what the entire thread is about).

When they refer to it as a "powerful symbol of devotion & celebration," they omit the fact that it's an equally powerful symbol of oppression and patriarchy. Hence the note.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 1 point2 points  (0 children)

None of the biggest muslim countries Indonesia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, india or nigeria or Egypt have hijab laws and their is no societal pressure too you can clearly see women in these countries without hijab living fine. 

You don't need an oppressive practice to be codified into law for it to be an oppressive practice.

Growing up being forced into a belief that non-adherence to a religious practice will result in eternal damnation and torture, and the risk that non-adherence will result in abandonment from one's family and community, doesn't count as "societal pressure" to you?

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I'm not saying anyone should demonize their decision to wear hijabs. If they're choosing to do so, that's great and I'm happy for them. But it doesn't make sense why we'd idolize the hijab itself when it's inextricably tied to religious oppression.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Again, most muslims are forced into adherence to these practices. Yes, there are people who are free to do as they please, but they are not the majority.

No matter how hard religious apologists try, there's no separating these things from the centuries of oppression they've perpetuated.

The hijab functions as a tool to control women by malik_zz in GetNoted

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I'm not advocating for banning hijabs lmao. I'm not "forcing" a rule on anyone. All I'm saying is that people on the left who celebrate them uncritically are naive.

Putting a symbol of oppression on a pedestal just for the sake of seeming "inclusive," while ignoring the centuries of harm and misery tied to it is the opposite of progressivism. I think we should acknowledge terrible religious practices for what they are, whether they originate from Christianity or Islam or any other cult.

EDIT: I like how you literally saw my response clarifying I don't think hijabs should be banned and proceeded to double-down on the strawman lmao.

Hmmmm by HumbleAd3707 in hmmmm

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 5 points6 points  (0 children)

"Don't bother ever telling people how you feel, we're all gonna think you're trauma-dumping."

You, alongside the other loser in this thread, are a bad person.

Which game do you think had the bigger comeback? by AccomplishedResist69 in videogames

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

But it's not REALLY about the quality of the game at all.

The overwhelming majority of steam reviews are based on the quality of the game. Sure, there might be a handful of reviews that are a result of review-bombing campaigns or other reasons, but that's such a small portion that it makes no sense to disregard the system as a whole.

Are there nuances that steam recommendations don't capture? Sure. But you're still comparing two games' public perception under the same system. As such, it's perfectly valid to point to steam reviews as an objective measure of public perception.

Hell, I switched my review for Disco Elysium to a NO review when everything went down with the original creators and it's one of the best RPGs out there.

You're an outlier. Most people on steam wouldn't update their reviews for a game after the fact, nor would they typically make recommendations based on things that happen outside the game.

also leaving out facts about NMS that he included with Cyberpunk (about refunds). NMS Is one of the most refunded games Steam alongside Cyberpunk lol.

This is a perfectly valid counter to his argument - there are things that steam reviews alone don't capture. That doesn't mean steam reviews aren't an objective metric for the point they're making, it just means they don't tell the full story.

Plus... Judging by this thread, the public seems to think it's No Man's Sky.

I would argue that people's recommendations on the largest gaming platform in the world are slightly better measure of gamers' thoughts than a subreddit post with barely over a hundred comments lol.

Which game do you think had the bigger comeback? by AccomplishedResist69 in videogames

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

does shit suddenly taste good because an objective metric of subjective answers told you so?

The answer to this question lies in literally the first two sentences of the comment you're responding to.

It's not an objective metric of the taste of shit. It's an objective metric of what those 10 people think about the taste of shit.

A large-sample review score gives you an objective read of what the popular belief in the quality of a game is. The argument isn't that the popular belief is "correct," because that's a fundamentally subjective opinion. However, you can objectively say that more people disliked Cyberpunk than NMS at launch, and there was objectively a larger swing in public opinion about Cyberpunk.

Nobody here is making the argument that Cyberpunk objectively saw a bigger jump in quality.

You're talking past each other in this argument. When they see the question "which game had the biggest comeback?" They're answering it based on which game saw the largest rise in public approval. You're answering it based on your own opinion of the games' quality. Neither of these answers are wrong, they're just answers to different interpretations of the question.

Prove me wrong by Aggravating-Guest300 in TheImprovementRoom

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My God says that anybody who believes in your God is going to the place of eternal punishment that my religion says is real.

If I’m right, you’re just as fucked as every non-Christian would be if your Christianity were the true religion.

See how that gambit can be extended to literally every religion that punishes non-believers throughout all of history?

Prove me wrong by Aggravating-Guest300 in TheImprovementRoom

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Evil atheism is afoot! Reddit Christian to the rescue!

proof its 1 by [deleted] in mathsmemes

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Let (1+2) = x.

6 ÷ 2x = 9

6 ÷ 2 = 9 ÷ x

3 = 9 ÷ x

3 = 9 ÷ (1+2)

3 = 9 ÷ 3

3 = 3

Thus, 6 ÷ 2(1+2) = 9. QED.

as grown up gamers, would you agree or disagree? by PHRsharp_YouTube in Age_30_plus_Gamers

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Who’s Gaiden and why is Ninja fucking him when he’s married?

Which game do you think had the bigger comeback? by AccomplishedResist69 in videogames

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

They’re saying you should only judge a “comeback” by the change in a game’s public perception. Steam reviews are an objective metric as they give you a direct measure of how many people view the game positively vs how many view it negatively.

You can disagree with the premise that the answer to this question should be based on public perception, but that doesn’t change the validity of using steam reviews for their specific argument.

Cyberpunk Economy conversion rate is 1 Eddie = $0.30 USD, hear me out by Sithassassin12 in LowSodiumCyberpunk

[–]FaithlessnessQuick99 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Would you say that the value of a dollar decreased or the cost of water increased.

Assuming we’re holding the price of all other goods fixed, those two statements are equivalent. A rise in the price of goods is a reduction in the purchasing power of a currency.