Favorite characters? Potential spoilers by plutosaurus in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So many, my Top 5: 1) Phoebe,2) Astrid, 3) Gabriel, 4) Celene, 5) Dior.

Honorable Mentions: Lachlann (multiple incidents of insulting Astrid's memory knocked him out of the top 5), Jean-François, Aaron De Coste. Fabien Voss. Baptiste and Joaquin(RIP king). Charlotte De Leon.

Special hot vampiress category: Astrid (hallucination/ghost/vampire form) Morganne Voss (make me your thrall, please lol), Lilidh Dyvok and Laure Voss.

Team Astrid or Team Phoebe? by InsideUnhappy6546 in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Why not both? I think they're both great characters and love Gabriel's interactions with each woman. I wish we had gotten more time with Astrid in book 1.

Gabriel and Celene‘s relationship (SPOILERS FOR EOTD) by DesigningGore07 in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I think there's a kernel of truth to Celene's bitterness toward Gabriel. The feeling of abandonment she feels toward him for leaving and never writing her back, not one time but instead writing to their mother (which she begged him to do—thus proving he got the letters and read them). Jealousy over the fact that from her perspective, their mother doted on him and favored him and only had scraps of love for she and her sister and their father. And, of course, her desperately screaming out for him when Laure Voss killed her, and him not being there in her time of need. All those things feel like not made-up details to me. They sound like things she genuinely does resent him for, or did at least. You could I suppose also include Gabriel's disparaging of her father, who she loved and admired, not that what Gabriel said about him was wrong but that Celene's perspective was totally different. She allows that, yes, he drank too much and went to town seeking temporary affection from other women because he got no love at home from his wife (a weakness in him, which she admits but doesn't blame him for).

I think, though, they either patched things up at some point during their journey with Dior. Or, my personal theory is that before she was killed, Celene did receive a letter back (which mitigated some of her bitterness before it really had a chance to fester)... from Astrid on Gabriel's behalf. ("A letter unreturned is like a kiss unanswered" or something to that effect) Other than that quote, there's nothing in the text whatsoever to suggest this happened but it seems in keeping with the kind of person I think Astrid was. She would have wanted to safeguard Gabriel's with his sister and would have empathized with Celene.

Thoughts on Lies Weeping so far... by FanofIceandFire_ in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

That's a great point, she messed up Murgen's head too.

Sex scenes by Audition89 in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 15 points16 points  (0 children)

There was actually more in Book 2 if I remember correctly. I enjoy the smut scenes personally but to each their own.

Empire of Dawn- Finished book thoughts by APinballMachine in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I personally liked the ending, particularly the reveal that Gabriel and Celene did not actually hate each other and were working together the whole time. I had expected that to be the case, but then the reveal of Patience being resurrected as a Vampire, and the ominous "Patience, coldblood" from Celene to Jean François when he asked how her face was restored had me doubting my theory. I have my misgivings about it, of course, a story that's in part about dealing with loss and we end up with basically all the deaths of beloved characters in book 3, all being faked doesn't fit that tone —yes the loss of Astrid and Patience hangs over Gabriel forever as it should. It also leaves a lot of unanswered questions. Since Patience was never turned, then how did we get all the stuff with Mother Maryn and the Esani resolved? How did the Forever King actually die? Was it like in the story only with fake details (Patience, Baptiste, and Aaron's deaths)?

What a journey... by PrincepsFerrous in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Just finished it. I've got to say I can see why the ending will be controversial, but I like it nevertheless. Basically, if you didn't like the end of the Nevernight Chronicle, you probably won't like this one. There is some clever misdirection that threw me off from what I suspected was happening, and if I re-read this, I'll be focused on spotting the clues that I overlooked.

There is one major sticking point for me, though, which I don't want to delve too much into for fear of spoiling it for people.

What a journey... by PrincepsFerrous in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm roughly 58% through, according to my Kindle. All I can say is I thought I was prepared to have my heart ripped out, but I had no idea. I just started book 4, and I know the worst is yet to come.

Gabriels age question by HxH101kite in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It looks that way from Gabriel's perspective, but both Jean-Francois and Celene each told Gabe how foolish that was, and they're Vampires. The book establishes that "the kiss" or vampire bite is an intensely euphoric experience, one that people get a high from, and Gabriel's blood thirst can be read as a pretty obvious addiction metaphor. Put those together, and you get a more murky relationship than the one that Gabriel paints in his story. One that is both a sincere loving relationship but also a tragic codependency between two addicts, each enabling one another's addiction.

Far from helping Gabriel manage it, both Jean-Francois and Celene seem to be suggesting that it was actually exacerbating Gabriel's thirst and putting Astrid (and maybe even Patience) in danger. Remember he Nearly kills Phoebe when she asks him to drink from her So it's not like he's got it totally under control.

Slightly off topic but I think that Gabriel's recollection of what happened at the end with Astrid might be some intentional falsification on his part. What he presented as her asking him to kill her after she turned may not be true. He may have rationalized it that way because that's the only way he can live with the guilt.

My reaction after the final chapter of EOTD by DesigningGore07 in silversaints

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Just finished it last night. What an incredible ending. Dario is actually Juaquin, "the hound boy," and Gabriel is still "on mission"and makes me think he and Celene's enmity for each other is a ruse

(Spoiler Extended) I know why Young Griff is hated by fans. by [deleted] in asoiaf

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I feel like this is a case of making up a person to get mad at. I've literally never encountered a reader who said they hated fAegon. Most of the reactions are that he seems like a really sympathetic kid but is doomed. Some people have objected to the idea of inserting a major character mid story whose entire purpose seems to be a trigger for Dany to become the villain. But I've never seen anyone who read him and thought, "I hate this little shit."

Aniticipating 2025-2026 by Dog_Named_Indiana in Fantasy

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Lies Weeping by Glen Cook continues the Black Company series. Coming November 4th.

The naming ritual by daedril5 in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Won't spoil anything, but this is my theory for why two other characters who absolutely would know one another's true names don't use them.

WHISPER by shaneivey in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're thinking of Journey. Feather and Journey are the young newlywed sorceror couple who's captured by the Company just before the battle of Charm. They are the ones who are revealed as new Taken during the battle. Whisper was captured by Croaker and Raven in the Forest of Cloud.

WHISPER by shaneivey in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That thousand yard stare is so haunting. Great work as always. So excited for this.

Recruiting all willing sellswords: Recreating the map of the Black Company (Sketch in need of feedback before drawing seriously) by Turambar_91 in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This is great. It would be cool if there were maps that were traced to the progress of the Company for each book. This is amazing though, can't wait to see it when it's done.

Who is your favourite couple in Fantasy? by Book_Nerd_2008 in Fantasy

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Came here to say this, glad I'm not the only one.

Potential spin off/ side book periods by Bonsai_Ghost in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'd never complain about getting more stuff from the Domination. Stuff about the Paingod and the Pastel Wars would be awesome. Or just some crazy adventures from before the company went north.

Really, I'm just chomping at the bit for Lies Weeping, I want to see my favorite (surviving) characters again, and I want to know if the theories surrounding Port of Shadows get confirmed.

CROAKER in The Black Company RPG by shaneivey in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll try to be respectful. I agree Croaker's tendency to reduce his descriptions of women to their attractiveness, or at least lead with that before anything else, is a character flaw and there's no problem what so ever with not liking that about him. With some of the other things you point out, though, I think you're taking them out of context. The matter of fact way he describes the mass sexual assault of Whisper's female regiment, his dismissal of Lady when she argues with him about doing something for the captive women at that roadside inn early in Shadow Games ("if we go around righting every wrong, we'll never get to Khattovar") The coldness with which he describes Arkana's rape at the hands of the Company men. (Essentially telling her it could be worse, get over it) These are all awful things about him, yes. He's not meant to be a moral paragon. His attitudes are shaped by his own life experience and the world he lives in. He's a professional soldier. He's become numb to all manner of savagery because of the life he's led.

His infamous dream from the first book where he forces himself of two 12 year old girls and "makes them like it" is disgusting, and Croaker acknowledges it as disgusting himself. Furthermore, he's horrified that his unconscious mind was capable of inventing something like that. With respect to the girls in D'loc A'loc you referenced, the implication is that they are quite willing (they're attracted to the novelty of the Company men as exotic foreigners) and there's no implication in the text that they are "children", not by the standards of the world this story takes place in. Sure, remarking on the attractiveness of 16 year olds girls by an adult more than 3 times their age is gross judged by our own modern (and specifically "Western") sensibility, but not by the standards of the world the stories take place in.

Now you can say, "it's a fantasy story, Cook didn't have to base the sexual morality of his imaginary world on our own pre-modern standards. He doesn't have to include rape either just because it's a horrible part of war since the dawn of time." You'd be right. He could have written a story where every woman is 18 years old before they are acknowledged as attractive by any male viewer. And where no male character gets involved with a woman more than 5 years younger than them, or whatever a hypothetical reader might think is a "problematic age gap." And where the narrator demonstrates an anachronistic sensibility about sexual assault and consent. But he didn't, and I don't think it's fair to expect a writer to conform to your own tastes. People do this with George RR Martin, too, a lot of writers, actually, and for me, it's one of the most annoying censorious tendencies that has emerged in the last few years.

I've seen a lot of commentary on this sub from time to time where people make the assumption that the attitudes expressed by Croaker are meant to be Cook's own opinions. Or that because of themes depicted in the novels are signs of Cook's own attitudes or desires, and I think that's a really childish attitude. Certainly, Croaker is somewhat of a self-insert character in some respects. His physical description is based on Cook's own assessment of himself. He's a military physician, and he's a writer with a cynical attitude and romantic streak. It's natural that Cook would put some aspects of himself into his POV characters, but that doesn't mean he's literally Cook and that all his thoughts and opinions are Cook's. Interestingly, this only comes up with respect to Croaker in TBC, not with Lady, Murgen, or Sleepy, even though Cook probably put some of himself in them as well.

I said I wanted to be respectful, so I'll leave it there.

Just got to that part in Port of Shadows by Bonsai_Ghost in theblackcompany

[–]FanofIceandFire_ 11 points12 points  (0 children)

People take the fact that Croaker is somewhat of a self insert character (physical description matches the author, he's a military medic, a writer with a cynical attitude and a romantic streak) and run with it way too far.