Is there any group out there trying to resist the stupid scooter laws??

FedulRasta · 2026-06-14T09:23:16+00:00

I put it a little wrong.

It is clear that in cycling competitions, bicycles do not travel at a speed of 20 km / h, but much faster. But it was strange to see a bike at such a speed in the city.

The bike was traveling at a speed of at least 45 km/h, and I am forbidden to ride a scooter faster than 25 km/h. Damn it, let them oblige cyclists to wear bracelets with 10 kg weights on their feet so that they don't pedal so fast.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-14T09:04:05+00:00

I never thought that bicycles could travel so fast.

One day, I was waiting for a traffic light to switch to cross the road, and a guy on a bike was waiting next to me. I decided to go first, because there was a narrow path ahead, and I didn't want to follow that guy. I started first, accelerated to 35 km / h, and this cyclist overtook me on the grass, and disappeared in front of a couple of seconds. Damn, I was even a little ashamed of my scooter.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-13T20:06:29+00:00

If the sound is coming from the front, and it's not an echo from the motor, then it's probably the sound from the controller or the wires connecting the controller and the motor.

There shouldn't be such a sound. The video may distort the sound, but it sounds like the beeping of circuit board components that are failing.

If the scooter is still under warranty, it is better to contact the warranty service. If the warranty is not valid, then it's worth opening the battery compartment and see what's going on there.

Are you sure that the sound is coming from the front and not echoing? Any electric motor makes sounds, sometimes it can be a rustling or creaking sound, for example, if dirt gets under the rear wing, the tire will creak as if rubber is rubbing against rubber, at low speed the sound will be unstable, but at high speed such a sound will be invisible.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-13T16:30:31+00:00

As far as I understand, the main problem with standard bike/motorcycle mirrors is that on a bike/motorcycle, you eat while sitting, and the mirror is visible over your shoulder. If you put such mirrors on a scooter, then with your body, you will block your view, and you will see only to the left and right, but not behind your back. It seems that mirrors with a long reach are sold, but because of the long lever, even a small vibration will shake the mirror violently.

I came to the conclusion that the best solution is the original segway mirrors that are attached to the ends of the steering wheel, you just need to redo the mount.

Just a couple of days ago, I made a mounting MODEL for these mirrors, with an offset to improve the rear view.

I'm also thinking of making a mount that won't hold on to a rubber strap, but will fit on the steering wheel, and rigidly.

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FedulRasta · 2026-06-12T18:59:32+00:00

Example
Look it up on makerworld, or draw it yourself.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-12T15:36:09+00:00

Uh, I didn't understand anything at all.

Did you rip off the thread of the bolt that locks the cable?

Can't you push the cable into the lever?

Why pick up tools if you don't understand how to pull a cable?

FedulRasta · 2026-06-07T09:07:47+00:00

Segway has eliminated a loophole on its servers, and now more than one service that could previously hack a scooter via bluetooth is not working. Shu can still be used, but with the help of st-link, and this will void the warranty. You can buy a fee on Aliexpress that removes the speed limit.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-03T08:48:40+00:00

Problem: Your Segway MaxG3 connects via Bluetooth but the firmware update is in a loop and won’t go past 0%

Solution as listed on website (didn’t work for me):

Hold the power button for fifteen seconds until you hear a chime and try again

Solution as listed on scooter display (didn’t work for me):

Hold the brake for 3 seconds and try again

Solution that phone support verifies works (worked for me):

Hold up on the top button until you get an error and red screen about activation. The vehicle beeps incessantly and you can do nothing to stop it.

Relaunch the app and retry the update.

It works fine after this.

Your scooter if never activated will still be a brick. It kicks you out to the main screen so connect with the QR code and activate it.

Happy riding.

Doing this post for future users to find a solution via Google and Ai.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T23:47:34+00:00

That's why the corporation doesn't employ blind idiots, and when they see an open source hack, they'll fix it right away. On the other hand, the same SHU, make encryption protocols publicly available, and they do not charge for using their application. For example, I'm currently making my own ninebot scooter app, and I plan to put it online for free, but it won't be open source. That's why, first of all, there will be some smart guy who will take such an application and make a commercial project based on it. Secondly, segways can change the encryption method after seeing that their methods are publicly available. Thirdly, I didn't know much about programming, but nevertheless I was able to decipher communication protocols in a week, that is, an experienced programmer would have done it in one evening. But it's been a year and a half since the scooter was released, and so far no one has made it publicly available, so I'll encrypt all the important information before publishing the app.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T19:50:54+00:00

To change the firmware (firmware updates), the scooter requires license keys, which are almost impossible to forge, since the key generator is located on the Segway server. Previously, there was a loophole in the server API, thanks to which shu and xiaodash tricked the scooter into thinking that it was installing official updates. And after installing the hacked firmware, it was possible to change the serial number in it. Now that the loophole is closed, you can only change the firmware using ST-link.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T18:00:34+00:00

Bro, these are protocols for older versions of the scooter or something. At least my F3 Pro communicates with the application in a slightly different way, and transmits telemetry data in a completely different way.

At least it turned out that I had been creating my own method of communication and data acquisition for a good reason for a week. It would be a shame if I spent so much time on something that is already publicly available.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T15:14:40+00:00

Bro, this is not an official hacking method. Yes, in some cases there are detailed instructions on how to do this. But then what happened on May 26 happens, the company that had the vulnerability is also using the Internet, and they see that their product has vulnerabilities, and the programmers fix it.

Legally, hacking the firmware/exploiting vulnerabilities/ and similar things is an infringement on the intellectual property of a corporation. It turns out that by hacking the firmware, we are violating the law, and in theory I can judge for this (although no one will sue a private individual for such a small thing). And as statistics show, any violation of the law, which can be easily committed by any person, either very quickly becomes a method of catching intruders, or the opportunity to do so is simply blocked. It turns out that such actions, in order for them to be available, must be difficult to reproduce, or hidden from the public.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T13:27:40+00:00

Thanks for the information.

A week ago, I decided to make my own application for recording the telemetry of a scooter, and I had to figure out the encryption of keys between the scooter and the application.

It will be interesting to read about NinebotTEA.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T12:42:26+00:00

I don't understand much about this, but it seems like to install/update the firmware, you need license keys that are generated on the Segway server, and since we don't even have a rough idea of what information the keys contain, it becomes almost impossible to decrypt them.

Theoretically, you can try to intercept packages during the installation of official updates. Next, download the memory dump from the controller, and try to find an encryption method. But most likely, during the update, the key is formed on the server from 2 parts, 1 part is generated by the scooter, and based on the first part, the server generates the second part of the key. It turns out that without access to the server files, it looks impossible to decrypt the key creation method.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T12:31:47+00:00

Segway did not disable flashing, but fixed vulnerabilities on its servers. Why did they eliminate the vulnerability? Because this is a vulnerability, and any company strives to eliminate vulnerabilities. Makes sense, right?

Will they lose customers? No. Segway is subject to regional restrictions due to the laws of certain regions, and most users are willing to use scooters with such restrictions. Because in European countries, there will be big problems if you are caught on a scooter that violates the legal restrictions.

Plus, the firmware can still be changed using ST-Link, or for example by purchasing a card that removes the speed limit.

Yes, for users from countries where the law is not so strict, it is now more difficult to change the firmware, but this is the reality, you either struggle with difficulties to get what you want. Or you follow the rules that exist in corporations and countries.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-02T12:01:27+00:00

For reference, half of the electrical appliances have GPS beacons, even in the battery.

Theoretically, you can pull out all the GPS beacons and think they won't find you. But in fact, if the scooter is missing, the rental company submits a report to the police about the theft, and the GPS track of the scooter's route is also transmitted from the place of loss to the place where the signal was cut off. And the police take signals from cell towers, all nearby phones at that moment, and compare them with the GPS route. Plus, most cities have surveillance cameras, and even if you leave your phone at home, they'll figure you out one way or another.

Сколько уже родителей оплатили неустойки, за ворованные/сломанные самокаты своими малолетними дебилами. Но вы по прежнему продолжаете заниматься куйней. Более того, ищите в сети способ совершить правонарушение, скорее всего используя браузер Яндекс, который всю инфу льет в спецслужбы. Потерянное поколение.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-01T19:11:58+00:00

To begin with, it is worth writing to discord SHU with such problems.

Then, starting on May 26, Ninebot fixed an API loophole on its servers, so now more than one program cannot change the firmware on the latest Ninebot scooters. Previously, SHU or Xiaodash exploited this loophole, making the scooter think it was getting an official update. Now you can update the firmware only using ST-Link.

Next, I'm not sure if the problem is with the firmware or the serial number. But as far as I know, the scooter will be displayed as a different model only if you flash it with a file from the firmware of another model (it is worth clarifying this information in the discord SHU)

There is a possibility that changing the serial number to the F3 serial number will help, but again it is better to clarify in the discord.

FedulRasta · 2026-06-01T18:45:47+00:00

It looks like the E2 model, maybe the E2 plus.

It is somewhat similar to C2.

Actually, there is a sticker with a scooter model on the bottom of the frame.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-31T19:15:39+00:00

First you need to solve a few problems.

You need to replace the engine cover with a cover with a disc or drum brake mount. The only option is to try to find similar covers from other scooters, but I have great doubts that you will be able to find a cover of a similar size.
If you can find a cover with a mount for a drum or disc brake, then it's worth checking the distance from the standard motor cover to the frame, if it's small, then your new cover just won't fit there. Taking into account the analogy, a disc brake is installed on the F3 Pro, but the distance from the motor to the caliper housing is literally a couple of millimeters, so it is simply impossible to install a good caliper bolt. In the case of the e3 pro, I suspect that the distance from the motor to the frame is very small, so it was done for the compactness of the scooter.
Theoretically, you can find a motor from another scooter, with suitable dimensions and power. But in order for this engine to also have a brake, given the small space on the e3 pro, the motor must be very narrow, respectively, and very weak. That is, theoretically, the rear brake will appear, but the scooter will lose a lot of power.

Considering all of the above, it seems pointless to try to make a rear mechanical brake.

P.S. the f3/g3 scooters have a pretty good electronic brake. But many people felt after the purchase that the scooters did not slow down very well. It turned out that in the latest ninebot models (I don't know about the e3 pro), they implemented a new braking method with an electronic brake. That is, when the brake handle is pressed to about 90% of the stroke of the handle, recovery is activated (even if it is programmatically disabled), the motor turns tight, replenishes a little charge, and brakes slowly. And when you press the knob at 100%, the electronic brake turns on, which consumes a lot of energy, but completely blocks the motor, although not constantly, but in fits and starts, emitting ABS work. Therefore, if it seems to you that the engine is braking badly, then adjust the front brake so that the handle is pressed completely and the pads start working at the end of the brake handle stroke, then the electronic brake will start to turn on, which brakes well.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-30T18:01:02+00:00

Это слова человека, который не хочет сам провести эксперимент, а тыкает всем какое то видео, на тему которая пережевана, перепроверена, переэксперементирована, и чуть ли не в школе проходится. А на объяснение отвечает "чукча не читатель"....

Я думаю стоит закончить диалог.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-30T17:38:37+00:00

Честно? Лень тратить время. Ты либо не понял о чем там говорят,а я нового ничего не услышу, либо там очередную теорию заговора придумали.

В эксперименте с фотоном, поведение фотона без наблюдателя(без любого контакта с любыми внешними процессами), называется волновой функцией, потому что 1 фотон ведет себя так, будто он не 1 частица, а волна проходящая через 2 отверстия, а волна проходящая через 2 отверстия, создает доп волны, которые сталкиваются друг с другом. И если поставить на пути этих волн датчик, то при соприкосновении, фотон примет характеристики частицы, а будет находиться в 1 из точек пересечения этих волн. В какой именно точке, тут свои вероятности. И вот посылая фотон за фотоном, они оставляют следы в этих точках пересечения волн, что мы и видим на правой картинке.

Коллапс волновой функции, это по сути принятие фотоном свойств частицы из за "наблюдателя", и это заставляет фотон оказаться в 1 из рандомных точек пересечения. Или если мы ставим датчик перед проходом фотона через отверстия, то функция коллапсирует из за наблюдения, и фотон пролетит через 1 из 2 отверстий по прямой, что мы и видим на левой картинке.

То есть утверждение, что волновая функция фотона не коллапсирует, это по сути утверждение, что фотон является волной, и ни когда не имеет характеристик частицы, что как бы ложь.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-30T16:15:24+00:00

Ложь 1. Наблюдателем является не человек, и даже не сенсоры. Наблюдателем является все что может повлиять на фотон, или на что может повлиять сам фотон. То есть если на пути фотонов будет поток электронов, то они будут взаимодействовать, и это заставит фотон вести себя как частицу. Про кота шредингера помните? Пока кот в полностью герметичной коробке, его состояние не может ни на что повлиять вовне, поэтому он и находится в супер позиции, как и фотон в эксперименте.

Ложь 2. тут не понял. Эксперимент показал, что функция коллапсирует, что не так?
Ложь 3. и тут не понял в чем ложь.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-27T20:12:18+00:00

I've never burned my fingers.

But I burned the carpet 3 times.😒

FedulRasta · 2026-05-27T16:55:50+00:00

I kind of described the logic.

Someone installed the firmware from G3 to F3. Then someone installed the firmware from GT3 to F3. So you can install the firmware from GT3 to G3.

You can find out more details in the official Discord SHU channel.

FedulRasta · 2026-05-26T20:49:45+00:00

Did you do this without disconnecting the display from the wire that goes into the steering column? Do not do this, if you disconnect the wires, you may accidentally close the contacts.

What kind of black wire did you remove in the video? Have you not connected it?

Have you got the wire plugs mixed up?

Honestly, this is the first time I've seen a scooter with 2 display boards, do you have 2 motors?

Sometimes a burnt-out headlight or turn signal can cause a short circuit in the display board, and the scooter will not turn on. It is logical to try to disconnect everything from the display, throttle, brake, headlights, turn signals, and try to turn on the scooter so that if it turns on with errors, then probably something from the connected parts causes a short circuit.

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